Delonte West

KM44 · Post #1 » by **KM44** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:56 pm

I want this guy in Sacramento. He is almost the perfect fit for what we need in a point guard and he is available. We used our MLE on Beno, so we would have to s&t. I think that a trade that goes Artest and Douby for West and Pavlovic (possibly a pick) would be great. Artest is getting lower and lower value as the days go on, so getting West and a nice little sweetener with Pav would be worth it in my mind.

Beno/West (roles might switch throughout the year)
Martin/Garcia/Pavlovic
Salmons/Garcia/Pavlovic
Moore/Williams/Thompson
Miller/Hawes/Williams

That is a very solid lineup that could easily get us get us to the playoffs. Then in a couple years, we will have freed cap from Moore, Shareef, Miller, Thomas to get a guy like Horford (someone said that and I LOVE that idea). We can re-up west, garcia, hawes, thompson, horford and really get a solid squad together.

Basically, I want to see West in a kings jersey, and if that means giving up artest, lets do it.

Rugged Ron Ron · Post #2 » by **Rugged Ron Ron** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 10:14 pm

I like West too. But giving up Artest for him? No way!

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #3 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 10:24 pm

I've wanted West here for a while. But we can get better offers, IMO.

KM44 · Post #4 » by **KM44** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:27 pm

Well, I think that Artest can get better talent, but I really just don't think that will happen. It's possible that we could get them to throw in varejo or gibson, or we could get a third team involved. I think that Artest for West and another young talent would definately be worth more than someone similar in talent, but is kind of older and not an upgrade. I perfer young with potential over pretty good, but won't get much better (josh howard/wallace). Think of the third team and lets try to put something together.

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:11 am

I'd do it for West and the pick, but that's at the minimum.

Post #6 » by **ICMTM** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:20 am

West is a 2nd tier PG. I'm not too thrilled to be talking about acquiring Delonte West.

Da_James_Gang · Post #7 » by **Da_James_Gang** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:37 am

Wally Szczerbiak (13m expiring)
Damon Jones (4.4m expiring)
Future first round pick

for

Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas

Thoughts???

I know some might not like it because its just a cap clearing deal but saves you guys a decent amount of cap room...

SacKingZZZ · Post #8 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:43 am

Da_James_Gang wrote:Wally Szczerbiak (13m expiring)
Damon Jones (4.4m expiring)
Future first round pick

for

Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas

Thoughts???

I know some might not like it because its just a cap clearing deal but saves you guys a decent amount of cap room...

Eh, clears Kenny's contract at least. I say....maybe. Problem is we only get the pick and while Artest is worth more I could really see Artest dumped for a low value package in the end.

I would rather do a Lamar Odom deal I think.

King Baller · Post #9 » by **King Baller** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:43 am

Da_James_Gang wrote:Wally Szczerbiak (13m expiring)
Damon Jones (4.4m expiring)
Future first round pick

for

Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas

Thoughts???

I know some might not like it because its just a cap clearing deal but saves you guys a decent amount of cap room...

I like it if you replace the pick with JJ Hickson, your pick from this year.

KB

Da_James_Gang · Post #10 » by **Da_James_Gang** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:07 am

King Baller wrote:
Da_James_Gang wrote:Wally Szczerbiak (13m expiring)
Damon Jones (4.4m expiring)
Future first round pick

for

Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas

Thoughts???

I know some might not like it because its just a cap clearing deal but saves you guys a decent amount of cap room...

I like it if you replace the pick with JJ Hickson, your pick from this year.

KB

I doubt the cavs will give up hickson, they seem to have high hopes for him and we are pretty old upfront. So they definitely need to hang on to him.......

Besides you guys just drafted a young pf and you still got hawes lol so i dont see why you guys would even need hickson...

SacKingZZZ · Post #11 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:50 am

Yeah, no way the Kings need Hickson anyway. We don't have enough minutes to go around as it is. Shelden + Spencer + Jason is more than enough for right now.

Ballings7 · Post #12 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:58 am

I'll take Hickson over any of the vets... let him get time behind Thompson eventually

But yeah, definitely not West for Ron Artest.

Generally, West I think could be a solid fit at PG for the longer-term. Always liked him as a two-way guard.

Da_James_Gang · Post #13 » by **Da_James_Gang** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:22 pm

Well if that odom deal goes through, thats definitely a solid deal. I dont think you guys will make the playoffs(no offense) but you guys will still be able to compete and be around a .500 team imo...

pg.udrih
sg.martin
sf.salmons
pf.odom
C.miller

Thats not to bad.... Salmons played great for you guys last season when he was starting. I looked up his numbers and this is what they look like in the 41 games he started...

ppg- 17.5
rpg- 5.4
apg- 3.5
spg- 1.5
fg%- 49.7%
3p%- 38%

Pretty solid numbers... but does odom get in the way of thompsons development, because i think he could be ready to get decent minutes right away but if odom is there does that take away from his pt??

SacKingZZZ · Post #14 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:51 pm

Da_James_Gang wrote:Well if that odom deal goes through, thats definitely a solid deal. I dont think you guys will make the playoffs(no offense) but you guys will still be able to compete and be around a .500 team imo...

pg.udrih
sg.martin
sf.salmons
pf.odom
C.miller

Thats not to bad.... Salmons played great for you guys last season when he was starting. I looked up his numbers and this is what they look like in the 41 games he started...

ppg- 17.5
rpg- 5.4
apg- 3.5
spg- 1.5
fg%- 49.7%
3p%- 38%

Pretty solid numbers... but does odom get in the way of thompsons development, because i think he could be ready to get decent minutes right away but if odom is there does that take away from his pt??

I don't know. Since Odom can slide to the 3 maybe not. I don't know if John Salmons fits the team though. He may be moved. He did show some ability last year to work very well in the motion offense with Brad Miller though so maybe. With Odom/Miller up front I think Kevin Martin may be able to reach the 25-28 ppg plateau next year.

Another thing about John starting, those were at different positions to boot! He played SF towards the start of the year, and when Martin went down he switched to SG. He was better at SF though. I think he was around 20, 5, and 5 when playing with Martin as opposed to Artest.

KM44 · Post #15 » by **KM44** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:18 am

Screw odom! He is not worth anything at all. He is so overrated & the only thing making him even respectable is Kobe. Lets focus on west, because that was the origional topic. Someone brought up the Szerbiack, Jones & 1st rounder for artest and thomas. Throw in west and it's a deal. We get a pick, young player and rid of thomas' contract. That would be spectacular in my eyes. I'm going to check the years on jones and szerbs, cause under 2 years would be worth it, over is questionable.

cavsfan_osiris · Post #16 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:33 am

KM44 wrote: I think that a trade that goes Artest and Douby for West and Pavlovic (possibly a pick) would be great. Artest is getting lower and lower value as the days go on, so getting West and a nice little sweetener with Pav would be worth it in my mind.

Let's get this done quick, where do I sign?

cavsfan_osiris · Post #17 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:36 am

Da_James_Gang wrote:Thats not to bad.... Salmons played great for you guys last season when he was starting. I looked up his numbers and this is what they look like in the 41 games he started...

ppg- 17.5
rpg- 5.4
apg- 3.5
spg- 1.5
fg%- 49.7%
3p%- 38%

Pretty solid numbers... but does odom get in the way of thompsons development, because i think he could be ready to get decent minutes right away but if odom is there does that take away from his pt??

Salmons is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. He would be a great role player on a good team.

Da_James_Gang · Post #18 » by **Da_James_Gang** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:25 am

Bucher doesnt think odom for artest will happen because he doesnt think the kings will want to do the lakers any favors...

Is it really that deep lol..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/vid ... Id=2459788

VeeJay24 · Post #19 » by **VeeJay24** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:29 am

Da_James_Gang wrote:Bucher doesnt think odom for artest will happen because he doesnt think the kings will want to do the lakers any favors...

Is it really that deep lol..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/vid ... Id=2459788

I don't know about it being that deep but that's to be expected with any inter divisional rivals. Just getting Odom is not enough in my opinion.

As far as Delonte, who is from the DC area by the way, I like his game but he is not the perfect fit in my opinion. The Kings need a PG in the mold of a and I know this is going back a ways but the Sacramento natives can appreciate this: Kevin Johnson. That would be Chris Paul today who reminds me of KJ so much. The PG on this team has to be a scorer but also a creator who knows when to take over a game with his scoring but also when to get the other players involved. With Kevin Martin who can score but is an efficient scorer who does have flaws in his game. I don't think Kevin is at his best going one on one and creating opportunities for himself and the rest of the team. I think he would be at his best getting his opportunities off the ablity of the PG. The Kings have never really had that player who could make a bad possession right by creating at the end of the shot clock. A PG who can penetrate and get to the basket any time he wanted but also get the ball back and knock down that open jumpshot. He needs to be that 20/10 guy who could go for 30 or more on any given night but knows that the team is better serve displaying all of it's weapons.

Jerrod Bayless was that PG. Damn you Portland!!!!!!!!!!!!

norcal07 · Post #20 » by **norcal07** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:54 am

I really like the idea of trading Artest/Douby for Pav and West with a pick thrown in. My only problem is when do we get Kenny Thomas' terrible contract off our backs. We will probably have to just eat the remain 2 years left on it.