2010 Free Agents

[Inc]

I keep hearing about us aiming for the 2010 offseason, along with a LOT of other teams.. but of those free agents, who do the Kings go for, if they can't get the bigs ones like Lebron, D-Wade?

Here is the list
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-09-10

[Cruel_Ruin]

Obviously, you would have to offer a deal to Lebron, Wade, etc., but the chances of them coming here are slim to none. However, I would offer a mega deal to the following who just might be tempted:

Bosh
Joe Johnson (Try him out at SF)
McGrady
Gay
Roy
Aldridge (Depending on THompson)
Nash (depending if he's fallen off by then or not)

I think the biggest determinant would be the success of Hawes/Thompson/Martin. Beno or Garcia are easily replaceable in the starting lineup, so our big signee will likely be a PG or a SF

[pillwenney]

It's not even just about free agency. It opens up the possibility to absorb salary in a trade for a great player.

[deNIEd]

I believe the right course would be,

Offer max deal to Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Offer good deals to any other FA

if nothing, wait, WAIT, don't be like GSW (i know they can only spend this year, but sheesh...some overpaid players)

Wait til 2011, where player such as Al Horford will be RFA's. Judging the way the Josh Smith situation, I really think Hawks may be stupid enough to let Horford go. The way I currently see it,

a) Hawks match Josh Smith. Since owners are so cheap, if we make Horford the best possible deal, it may be likely that Hawks don't match.

b) Josh Smith leaves. ---> Hawks miss playoffs ---> Hawks don't make playoffs for two years, since the east is starting to become good. -----> Joe Johnson leaves -----> Al Horford thinks twice about wanting to stay in Atlanta since they obviously are going no where, thus we offer him a max deal.

Horford is the IDEAL IDEAL PERFECT PERFECT IDEAL PF for our team.

[SacKingZZZ]

It's not even just about free agency. It opens up the possibility to absorb salary in a trade for a great player.

That and it gives financial freedom to keep your own assets. I honestly would be surprised if the majority of that money went towards extensions for out own players.

[Dustin5566]

My list would be:
1. Lebron
2. Bosh
3. Wade
4. Stoudamire
5. Ginobili
6. Chandler

Lebron, Bosh and Wade are all pipe dreams im afraid.

I think Chandler could be had becuase they will have so much money tied up in Peja, Paul and West with a notoriously frugle owner.

I cannot see S.T.A.T being let go unless he just does not want to be in phoenix anymore.

Maloofs will need to go into smoozing overtime in that summer. Bring them all to the palms and give them the playboy suite and all the best things vegas has to offer.

Hell if im them im telling LeBron he can own a piece of the Palms and design the new "LeBron James" suite. He is a business man, I can see him liking that deal.

[Dustin5566]

I believe the right course would be,

Offer max deal to Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Offer good deals to any other FA

if nothing, wait, WAIT, don't be like GSW (i know they can only spend this year, but sheesh...some overpaid players)

Wait til 2011, where player such as Al Horford will be RFA's. Judging the way the Josh Smith situation, I really think Hawks may be stupid enough to let Horford go. The way I currently see it,

a) Hawks match Josh Smith. Since owners are so cheap, if we make Horford the best possible deal, it may be likely that Hawks don't match.

b) Josh Smith leaves. ---> Hawks miss playoffs ---> Hawks don't make playoffs for two years, since the east is starting to become good. -----> Joe Johnson leaves -----> Al Horford thinks twice about wanting to stay in Atlanta since they obviously are going no where, thus we offer him a max deal.

Horford is the IDEAL IDEAL PERFECT PERFECT IDEAL PF for our team.

Get creative and offer a front loaded max deal so the first year is like 19 mil, just to be sure they do not match.

[KM44]

I like the way we are thinking right now. I just hope that something that mitch talked about (trading to absorb a big contract i.e. Webber to Philly) doesn't happen. I really think that the kings will be able to open up the wallet and bring in a guy like Horford/Bosh. I think Lebron is dreaming a bit, but the other two might, just might, want to come to sac and build a contender, not to mention getting some serious cash.

[VeeJay24]

Funny, I was just about to post a thread about this very topic

Some of the teams that also will have space include Nets, Knicks, Cavs, Bulls, Heat, Spurs so that tells you that we will be at a disadvantage.

Hopefully, Thompson will develop and make it so that we will not have to go after Bosh. I think right now depending on how the Artest situation ends up. I would really go after Joe Johnson. And I think if we go end targeting JJ without even wasting our time on the likes of Lebron & Wade who we know are never coming here. If you target JJ from the outset and show him that love from the start, I think it can happen.

Some may be surprised but if Petrie can make some deals and get the right mixture of young guys and vets to put this team in a position to really challenge in 2010. Then you could go after some vets who would garner modest contract terms. One that I have in mind is McGrady who would be 31 maybe he could be had at modest terms and add an important piece to a team ready to challenge.

[deNIEd]

Get creative and offer a front loaded max deal so the first year is like 19 mil, just to be sure they do not match.

Is that possible? That would be great for both Horford and the Kings.

Again, like I've been saying for over an entire year, if we trade Artest and Miller this year (both should go) we will likely be in a lottery spot where we can draft a good point guard. Rubio, Jennings, Lawson, Collison, Evans. If Artest can net us a future SF, Thornton, Wright, Greene, add Horford, and that's a championship team.

PG: B. Jennings/B. Udrih
SG: K. Martin
SF: J. Wright/F. Garcia
PF: A. Horford/J. Thompson
C : S. Hawes

[Dustin5566]

Get creative and offer a front loaded max deal so the first year is like 19 mil, just to be sure they do not match.

Is that possible? That would be great for both Horford and the Kings.

Again, like I've been saying for over an entire year, if we trade Artest and Miller this year (both should go) we will likely be in a lottery spot where we can draft a good point guard. Rubio, Jennings, Lawson, Collison, Evans. If Artest can net us a future SF, Thornton, Wright, Greene, add Horford, and that's a championship team.

PG: B. Jennings/B. Udrih
SG: K. Martin
SF: J. Wright/F. Garcia
PF: A. Horford/J. Thompson
C : S. Hawes

yes it is very possible!! Evans would be cool.. Athletic and good size

[VeeJay24]

I going to sit back and hope Thompson is a fast learner and becomes the steal of the draft and then we will not need Horford.

I would much rather have Joe Johnson depending on what we get in a Artest deal, if there's even a deal.

I like Evans, Jennings and some of the other PGs but the guy I am intrigued by is Curry. If he can improve his penetration and finishing at the rim then I think he should be the pick. Of course that would depend on where the Kings are picking.

[Ballings7]

Bosh/Hawes? Not my cup of tea.

Horford/Hawes? Oh, yes please, that is my kind of beverage.

Joe Johnson? Ditto.

[SacTown Kings]

What's up with everyone getting a woody for Joe Johnson? I mean he good and all but nothing that special. I hate planning on getting under the cap enough to sign a big time free agent in 2 or 3 years. There is just so much that can go on during that time and the majority of the franchaise type players (minus Brand) end up signing extentions with their own team. If they don't then it probably isn't about the money as it is a certain city they want to play in and most likely that will never be Sacramento.

I really think planning everything to get under the cap in 2 years is just stupid. Sure it would be nice to have room to do something, but I don't think we should pass up good opportunities or trades now because it might affect our cap situation in 2 years.

[VeeJay24]

What's up with everyone getting a woody for Joe Johnson? I mean he good and all but nothing that special. I hate planning on getting under the cap enough to sign a big time free agent in 2 or 3 years. There is just so much that can go on during that time and the majority of the franchaise type players (minus Brand) end up signing extentions with their own team. If they don't then it probably isn't about the money as it is a certain city they want to play in and most likely that will never be Sacramento.

I really think planning everything to get under the cap in 2 years is just stupid. Sure it would be nice to have room to do something, but I don't think we should pass up good opportunities or trades now because it might affect our cap situation in 2 years.

First of all, Joe Johnson is more than just good. I don't know what you mean by nothing special, sure he isn't on the tier with Kobe, Wade, or Lebron, but he is a tier or 2 below them and would be a tremendous asset to a team with other parts in place. How can you say a guy isn't special that can play PG, SG, & SF and all three with equal success.

Planning to get under the cap is not a bad thing and is a help as long as the team especially a team like Sacramento isn't banking their whole rebuilding on FA. If the team continues to draft well and make shrewd trades the FA will be a supplement to what has already been done which we all hope is the case 2 yrs. from now.

[rpa]

Some of the teams that also will have space include Nets, Knicks, Cavs, Bulls, Heat, Spurs so that tells you that we will be at a disadvantage.

Nets definitely will.
It's unlikely the Knicks will though; Randolph, Curry, Crawford, & Jeffries (all of whom they're unlikely to move) add up to $45mil alone and then you need to add in at least 3 rookie contracts (2008, 2009, 2010) all will have lottery salaries and you have Lee's extension as well. Most likely they'll be right around the cap.
Cavs are on pace.
The Bulls are an interesting situation. They have Nocioni & Hinrich on the cap through that summer (at big money) and they have 2 big money RFA's this year (Gordon & Deng) and then 2 more in summer 2010. In summer 2010 they'll have Thomas & Sefolosha to resign and, assuming they WANT to keep those guys, they'll count some $20mil against the cap. I think it's somewhat unlikely the Bulls have any space left.
Heat almost definitely will.

The scary thing is that, with the doing away of the 7 year deals (and only letting teams give 5 year deals to other teams' free agents), 2 years out from the summer of 2010 there isn't a single team that will DEFINITELY be over the cap. And by definitely I mean "over the cap without making a big trade". Over the next 2 years every team in the league COULD get under the cap in theory by merely letting 1 of their free agents walk.

2010 is going to be one crazy ass offseason.

[SacTown Kings]

What's up with everyone getting a woody for Joe Johnson? I mean he good and all but nothing that special. I hate planning on getting under the cap enough to sign a big time free agent in 2 or 3 years. There is just so much that can go on during that time and the majority of the franchaise type players (minus Brand) end up signing extentions with their own team. If they don't then it probably isn't about the money as it is a certain city they want to play in and most likely that will never be Sacramento.

I really think planning everything to get under the cap in 2 years is just stupid. Sure it would be nice to have room to do something, but I don't think we should pass up good opportunities or trades now because it might affect our cap situation in 2 years.

First of all, Joe Johnson is more than just good. I don't know what you mean by nothing special, sure he isn't on the tier with Kobe, Wade, or Lebron, but he is a tier or 2 below them and would be a tremendous asset to a team with other parts in place. How can you say a guy isn't special that can play PG, SG, & SF and all three with equal success.

Planning to get under the cap is not a bad thing and is a help as long as the team especially a team like Sacramento isn't banking their whole rebuilding on FA. If the team continues to draft well and make shrewd trades the FA will be a supplement to what has already been done which we all hope is the case 2 yrs. from now.

Garcia can play all three of those positions, even Salmons can and they are good players but nothing special. JJ is better than them but is the difference worth throwing a lot of money at him when we really need help in other areas. If you think Joe Johnson is some yearly all star that deserves max type money I don't know what else to tell you. I would rather use that money on a more important position like pg or power forward rather than a sg or sf when we already have Salmons or Garcia.

And secondly, I agree it is good to get under the cap as much as possible, duh, but depening on how you do it dictates whether it is smart or not. We can pass up many deals that will benefit this team now or trade key players to get under the cap and then nothing happens nobody wants to sign with us, then what? It is just a big risk that has many uncertanties. We are not going to get Bosh, Wade, Lebron ... that's just fantasy and I'll be pissed if we throw big money at a sg/sf unless it is Wade or Lebron. No Tmac, no Joe Johnson.

I think it is more important to get under the cap to sign your own players (Hawes, Thompson if he turns out good, Garcia?) because that is more realistic than signing some franchaise player. When have the Kings ever done this? The biggest free agent signing we have ever had was probably Divac or Christie. And you all are talking about Bosh, Wade, Lebron ... it ain't gonna happen.

[rpa]

Here's the list I compiled of the more notable free agents in 2010:

Unrestricted:
Ray Allen, Joe Johnson, Lebron (ETO), Dirk (ETO), Josh Howard (Team Option), Richard Hamilton, Amir Johnson, TMac, TJ Ford (ETO), Wade (ETO), Redd (ETO), Mike Miller, Tyson Chandler (ETO), Amare (ETO), Nash, Shaq, Ginobili, Bosh (ETO), Boozer (w/o ETO), Okur (w/o ETO)

Restricted:
Rajon Rondo, Tyrus Thomas, Rudy Gay, Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Bargnani, Ronnie Brewer

ETO = player opt out
w/o ETO = if the player fails to exercise his opt out the previous year

[VeeJay24]

What's up with everyone getting a woody for Joe Johnson? I mean he good and all but nothing that special. I hate planning on getting under the cap enough to sign a big time free agent in 2 or 3 years. There is just so much that can go on during that time and the majority of the franchaise type players (minus Brand) end up signing extentions with their own team. If they don't then it probably isn't about the money as it is a certain city they want to play in and most likely that will never be Sacramento.

I really think planning everything to get under the cap in 2 years is just stupid. Sure it would be nice to have room to do something, but I don't think we should pass up good opportunities or trades now because it might affect our cap situation in 2 years.

First of all, Joe Johnson is more than just good. I don't know what you mean by nothing special, sure he isn't on the tier with Kobe, Wade, or Lebron, but he is a tier or 2 below them and would be a tremendous asset to a team with other parts in place. How can you say a guy isn't special that can play PG, SG, & SF and all three with equal success.

Planning to get under the cap is not a bad thing and is a help as long as the team especially a team like Sacramento isn't banking their whole rebuilding on FA. If the team continues to draft well and make shrewd trades the FA will be a supplement to what has already been done which we all hope is the case 2 yrs. from now.

Garcia can play all three of those positions, even Salmons can and they are good players but nothing special. JJ is better than them but is the difference worth throwing a lot of money at him when we really need help in other areas. If you think Joe Johnson is some yearly all star that deserves max type money I don't know what else to tell you. I would rather use that money on a more important position like pg or power forward rather than a sg or sf when we already have Salmons or Garcia.

And secondly, I agree it is good to get under the cap as much as possible, duh, but depening on how you do it dictates whether it is smart or not. We can pass up many deals that will benefit this team now or trade key players to get under the cap and then nothing happens nobody wants to sign with us, then what? It is just a big risk that has many uncertanties. We are not going to get Bosh, Wade, Lebron ... that's just fantasy and I'll be pissed if we throw big money at a sg/sf unless it is Wade or Lebron. No Tmac, no Joe Johnson.

I think it is more important to get under the cap to sign your own players (Hawes, Thompson if he turns out good, Garcia?) because that is more realistic than signing some franchaise player. When have the Kings ever done this? The biggest free agent signing we have ever had was probably Divac or Christie. And you all are talking about Bosh, Wade, Lebron ... it ain't gonna happen.

2 yrs. is a long way away from here. So how in the world do you know precisely what position we will need. There will be many additions and subtractions to the roster in between now and then. Instead of just trying to knock Joe Johnson you should've read the whole post or my other posts and noticed that I said get a PG in the draft and a more developed Thompson would negate the need to get a Horford or Bosh. Frankly, when you take a PF in the lottery, I would hope you don't need to turn around and sign a guy like Horford 2 yrs later. Plus, Artest will more than likely be gone so when you look at all these scenarios Stevie Wonder could even see the need to sign a SF. After Lebron, Johnson is the best one available in 2010. And where did I say we should go after Lebron, Bosh or Wade? In fact this is what I wrote...........

Hopefully, Thompson will develop and make it so that we will not have to go after Bosh. I think right now depending on how the Artest situation ends up. I would really go after Joe Johnson. And I think if we go end targeting JJ without even wasting our time on the likes of Lebron & Wade who we know are never coming here. If you target JJ from the outset and show him that love from the start, I think it can happen.

You're always going to be able to sign your own players if you want them anyway. You have heard of the Bird Rule? The cap only comes into play if you don't want to pay the luxury cap but Williams is the only guy they would have to worry about resigning at that point I guess they could extend Hawes at that point even though he would have a year left.

Since none of us can sit here and say for sure what trades were passed up it is dumb to speculate. Obviously, it would be hard to sign superstars to come to Sacramento this is why I said Johnson should be targeted or someone similar to Johnson. For you to state that you would be mad if money was spent on anyone but Wade, Lebron or Bosh is just dumb to say when you know that the Kings will not be able to sign neither player. The capspace will stil have to be used. If not on FAs in trades....

[SacTown Kings]

^^^ Vee, You say 2010 is a long time away. That is exactly my point! Why plan everything around getting under the cap 2 years away when we don't even know what we will need at that time, or who will be available (most frachise players/free agent will resign with their team by then). If we are under the cap that's great but I don't think we should sacrifice anything now just to get to that point. I am not saying this to you specific but to everyone in general. I hear people all the time say we should pass on this deal or that deal because it will mess up our cap situation in 2010 and we wont be able to make a run at a big time free agent. Which IMO is stupid because we aren't getting a big time free agent, it has not happened yet and I doubt it will happen.

Also, I did not say you specifically were talking Lebron or Wade I said "you all".

Is Salmons contract up by 2010, if not and he is still on the team and Martin as well then I would really hate to see us get under the cap so we can throw big money at Joe Johnson, that's all. I would rather keep Salmons, Martin, and resign Garcia for much less than throw close to max type money that Joe is probably going to ask for.