Ben Gordon to SAC

norcal07 · Post #1 » by **norcal07** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:10 am

Since Ben Gordon is now a restricted free agents I would love to see the Kings heavily pursue him. Gordon will be the obvious odd man out in Chicago since they drafted Derrick Rose. AND the Bulls already have both Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes under contract. This would turn out great for Kings so that it DOESN'T become the Kevin Martin show. The first step to making this happen would to get rid of Kenny Thomas' horrendous contract and Ron Artest.

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #2 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:31 am

No thanks. Gordon would want way to much contract that we couldn't offer - no way could we dump the necessary contracts (it would take more than just Ron and KThomas to get us under enough to sing him) and Kevin Martin >>>>>> Gordon aby day of the week.

Plus, we have Salmons and Garcia already. I see no reason for Gordon.

norcal07 · Post #3 » by **norcal07** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:17 am

However, I do not believe that Kevin Martin (after ron is trade) can led this team to winning. It's another Peja situation the team leaned on him and he crumbled underneath it all. Plus after ron is traded who will play the SF?? do you really want a career bench player like salmons to start? or a streaky shooter garcia?? I don't want either of them to start.

KM44 · Post #4 » by **KM44** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:19 am

True, Gordon is a great player, but he is strictly a 2. If he had more versitility to play the three, he might be worth throwing some big bucks at. So, chances are slim that gordon coming here is possible

Ballings7 · Post #5 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:02 am

Don't have the money, nor the spot and playing time for him.

As far as the SF talk, neither BG or Kevin are SFs at all. If anything, Kevin for random, not consistent, spurts at SF. BG's just too small to play SF at all. Whereas bigger but still undersized height-wise SGs, Fred Jones and Tony Allen can play SF a bit because of their length, strength, and agility.

And we'd be at a disadvantage every night on defense with BG/Kevin at the 2 and 3.

BMiller52 · Post #6 » by **BMiller52** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:19 am

Oh god no.

VeeJay24 · Post #7 » by **VeeJay24** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:23 am

I think if we can get Gordon without messing up our future capspace in 2010 then I am all for it. Ben would be a nice scoring option off the bench. Added to the development of Hawes, Thompson, Martin, 2009 lottery pick, 2010 lottery pick and hopefully a big FA signing in 2010.

Could be a nice roster in the future..............

Post #8 » by **pillwenney** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:34 am

norcal07 wrote:However, I do not believe that Kevin Martin (after ron is trade) can led this team to winning. It's another Peja situation the team leaned on him and he crumbled underneath it all. Plus after ron is traded who will play the SF?? do you really want a career bench player like salmons to start? or a streaky shooter garcia?? I don't want either of them to start.

Gordon can't lead this team anywhere either.

And yes, I am perfectly comfortable with Salmons or Cisco starting. Salmons proved last year that he is capable of being a very good starter in this league. To simplify it that much.....well it's almost as if you didn't see him play when he started last year.

And to simplify Cisco's game to just being a streak shooter is incredibly short-sighted. Cisco is a fine all-around player and really isn't even a particularly streaky shooter.

VeeJay24 · Post #9 » by **VeeJay24** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:39 am

mitchweber wrote:
norcal07 wrote:However, I do not believe that Kevin Martin (after ron is trade) can led this team to winning. It's another Peja situation the team leaned on him and he crumbled underneath it all. Plus after ron is traded who will play the SF?? do you really want a career bench player like salmons to start? or a streaky shooter garcia?? I don't want either of them to start.

Gordon can't lead this team anywhere either.

And yes, I am perfectly comfortable with Salmons or Cisco starting. Salmons proved last year that he is capable of being a very good starter in this league. To simplify it that much.....well it's almost as if you didn't see him play when he started last year.

And to simplify Cisco's game to just being a streak shooter is incredibly short-sighted. Cisco is a fine all-around player and really isn't even a particularly streaky shooter.

Cisco & Salmons are both good players but to be honest they are bench players. So, if they have to start I would have to say that the Kings would be a bad team. I like both players but I would rather see both coming off the bench.

Post #10 » by **pillwenney** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:43 am

VeeJay24 wrote:
mitchweber wrote:
norcal07 wrote:However, I do not believe that Kevin Martin (after ron is trade) can led this team to winning. It's another Peja situation the team leaned on him and he crumbled underneath it all. Plus after ron is traded who will play the SF?? do you really want a career bench player like salmons to start? or a streaky shooter garcia?? I don't want either of them to start.

Gordon can't lead this team anywhere either.

And yes, I am perfectly comfortable with Salmons or Cisco starting. Salmons proved last year that he is capable of being a very good starter in this league. To simplify it that much.....well it's almost as if you didn't see him play when he started last year.

And to simplify Cisco's game to just being a streak shooter is incredibly short-sighted. Cisco is a fine all-around player and really isn't even a particularly streaky shooter.

Cisco & Salmons are both good players but to be honest they are bench players. So, if they have to start I would have to say that the Kings would be a bad team. I like both players but I would rather see both coming off the bench.

How can Salmons possibly be a bench player when he is twice as good starting. You don't put up 18/5/4 or whatever his exact stats were as a starter, and play excellent defense if you're not a legitimate starter in this league. Especially since he was doing so efficiently.

VeeJay24 · Post #11 » by **VeeJay24** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:59 am

VeeJay24 wrote:
mitchweber wrote:Cisco & Salmons are both good players but to be honest they are bench players. So, if they have to start I would have to say that the Kings would be a bad team. I like both players but I would rather see both coming off the bench.

How can Salmons possibly be a bench player when he is twice as good starting. You don't put up 18/5/4 or whatever his exact stats were as a starter, and play excellent defense if you're not a legitimate starter in this league. Especially since he was doing so efficiently.

Mitch, he did that on a flawed team. If he's on a team with a legitimate chance of winning a championship he is a role player off the bench--Period Let's take the Spurs for instance---Bowen is a starter because his defense is that great also because he developed the ability to knock down that open corner 3 and not be a liability on offense. Salmons is a much better offensive player than Bowen but his defense isn't at Bowen's level.Salmon's offensive game is good but not good enough to make him a top option on a really good championship calibur team. And since his defense isn't at the level of a Bowen, I don't think he would be a starter.
Here again look at Boston and look at a guy like Posey who is comparable to Salmons and Posey comes off the bench and makes an impact.

If the KIngs can somehow keep Salmon's around and build the team to a championship level his impact would be the same as Posey's off the bench. Sure, he's capable of starting but in my opinion his impact would be better coming off the bench.

_SRV_ · Post #12 » by **_SRV_** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:20 am

2nd year Gordon was a very good scorer, and 3rd year Gordon was an elite one.
I suggested Hinrich/Gordon/TT for Marting and one of the vet bigs we have, but now that we signed Udrih it isn't relevant anymore.
Kevin Marting is a better player than Gordon game wise, and has better size to boot, but Gordon is still a great perimeter scoring option.

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #13 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:09 pm

How is Salmons not a starter quality? He's one of the teams best defenders and a great scorer. Matter, how is Garcia not one as well? Both have shown themselves very capable of taking starter minutes and delievering.

KM44 · Post #14 » by **KM44** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:09 pm

It's Bowen!! God, Bowman, who is that? What you are saying is true, salmons looks like he would be a solid bench player, but he really showed that he can do great things as a starter. Sure, the kings weren't elite, but they at least owe him the opportunity to show what he can do.

Ballings7 · Post #15 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:16 pm

I think you were thinking of Georgetown in some way with Brandon Bowman, VeeJay

I think Salmons can be a starter for several teams, including us. But I do think he would be somewhat too small too much in match-ups, to be a longer-term starter at SF.

norcal07 · Post #16 » by **norcal07** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:18 am

I never said that Ben Gordon would start for the Kings I just think that he would be a great player for the Kings that could put up good numbers. I think that if/when ron artest is traded we need another scorer Kevin Martin CAN NOT do it alone.

VeeJay24 · Post #17 » by **VeeJay24** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:07 am

KM44 wrote:It's Bowen!! God, Bowman, who is that? What you are saying is true, salmons looks like he would be a solid bench player, but he really showed that he can do great things as a starter. Sure, the kings weren't elite, but they at least owe him the opportunity to show what he can do.

My bad, don't bite my head off though. People make mistakes but you knew who I was talking about and you got the point.

Ballings7 wrote:I think you were thinking of Georgetown in some way with Brandon Bowman, VeeJay

Yeah, I probably did have Brandon on my mind..... :oops:

Back to Salmons & Cisco, they could start and if Artest isn't here probably should start for this team the way it is made up right now. But my opinion is that it wouldn't be hard to upgrade at their position and a team with them coming off the bench is a loaded team that can compete to go deep in the playoffs.

VeeJay24 · Post #18 » by **VeeJay24** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:27 am

Oh, that's been corrected and to get back to the topic of the thread.

I think Ben Gordon would be an excellent addition to this team, who also probably could start for a lot of teams but is better coming off the bench because of his size.

Post #19 » by **pillwenney** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:33 am

VeeJay24 wrote:
VeeJay24 wrote:
mitchweber wrote:Cisco & Salmons are both good players but to be honest they are bench players. So, if they have to start I would have to say that the Kings would be a bad team. I like both players but I would rather see both coming off the bench.

How can Salmons possibly be a bench player when he is twice as good starting. You don't put up 18/5/4 or whatever his exact stats were as a starter, and play excellent defense if you're not a legitimate starter in this league. Especially since he was doing so efficiently.

Mitch, he did that on a flawed team. If he's on a team with a legitimate chance of winning a championship he is a role player off the bench--Period Let's take the Spurs for instance---Bowen is a starter because his defense is that great also because he developed the ability to knock down that open corner 3 and not be a liability on offense. Salmons is a much better offensive player than Bowen but his defense isn't at Bowen's level.Salmon's offensive game is good but not good enough to make him a top option on a really good championship calibur team. And since his defense isn't at the level of a Bowen, I don't think he would be a starter.
Here again look at Boston and look at a guy like Posey who is comparable to Salmons and Posey comes off the bench and makes an impact.

If the KIngs can somehow keep Salmon's around and build the team to a championship level his impact would be the same as Posey's off the bench. Sure, he's capable of starting but in my opinion his impact would be better coming off the bench.

But it's not like he just kind of blended in on a flawed team. He was often the team's best player as a starter. His defense was frankly probably just as good as Bowen's was this year (although definitely not as good as Bowen in his prime).

And I agree that he wouldn't be a first or second option, but in the right situation he could be a 3rd option and could be a damn good 4th option. He can play off the ball well enough (in other words, he certainly has a good enough shot to where you can't leave him) and he could be great to have as a second scorer on the wing next to an elite scorer. The oppositions best perimeter defender takes the star (in our case, probably Kevin) and John owns the other guy on the wings. He is good enough to do that.

And more than anything, I still don't see how it could make any sense to say that his impact is better off the bench when it is statistically proven otherwise. And you don't even have to look at stats, you just have to watch him play. Salmons is just one of those guys who clearly feels more comfortable starting.

OGSactownballer · Post #20 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:54 pm

The only problem with John starting at the 3 is that at least 1 out of 3 nights he is going to be at a big size disadvantage - and that's gonna really hurt us without a true shotblocker in the middle or as a weakside help defender. Now if Jason Thompson develops into the kind of weakside help shotblocker that Webber was (the one undeniable spot in his otherwise weak defensive game where he truly shined until the knee injury), then it becomes a moot point because then John can use his speed to advantage and overplay the bigger man on the perimeter and keep him off his rythym. As far as not having a second impact scorer without Ron to help Kevin and saying that Kevin couldn't carry the load alone - that is crap. He was on his way to the all-star game until he got hurt last fall and was carrying things along with John for the most part every night. When and if Ron gets moved, it will actually be beneficial to several guys who will see anywhere from 2-6 or 7 more shots a game. In John's case, because he goes to the basket and finishes so well, that will be a big boon to the offense.