Any info on what the principles are in the Artest to Dtroit

OGSactownballer · Post #1 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:18 am

The article says that these rumors are gaining steam. what are the principles involved (besides, obviously, Ron). I would be thrilled to death if it were centered around Tayshaun coming back to us, but I don't know if Detroit would do that. I wouldn't even have a problem with Rasheed coming back for Ron/Kenny - that would be a nice one year rental for US. But I see Tayshaun as more likely because he realistically is not a core but rather a role player for detroit AND there is the position overlap issue - kinda hard to have two starting quality SF's on the roster.

rpa · Post #2 » by **rpa** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:39 am

Hopefully it's not Price; I sure as hell wouldn't consider that trade a win for the Kings.

1) Artest is HANDS DOWN the better player
2) Prince is all of 3 months younger than Artest (which makes them pretty much the same age)
3) Prince plays a position the Kings are already strong at with or without Artest
4) Prince is signed for 3 more years at $9.5mil, $10.3mil, & $11.1mil--thus cutting into our 2010 cap space heavily.

I can't think of a single positive for THIS TEAM in making such a trade.

Not sure what I'd ask for from the Pistons. They'd refuse to trade Stucky, obviously, so the trade would probably have to center around Maxiel or Amir Johnson + draft picks (first rounders) and a salary filler. I guess you could do a 3-way trade where Prince goes elsewhere.

deNIEd · Post #3 » by **deNIEd** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:50 am

Again, like with most teams, three way deal

Ballings7 · Post #4 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:58 am

In getting Prince (similar goes if we got Howard)

1. Prince absolutely continues the iffy situation on the wing with Salmons/Garcia/Douby
2. Prince is really in the same age range as Ron, less years in the league
3. Prince has a multi-year deal

Like if we got Howard, because of the multi-year deal, and Prince being better than Salmons/Garcia, one of those two will definitely have to be dealt. Both deserve significant, consistent minutes, and only one can get that on one team.

So, either we keep Prince who is in the middle of his prime, and deal one of Salmons/Garcia, or we deal Prince eventually to somebody. Which could well be next summer...

Ultimately, I'd be surprised to see Prince for Artest (main), go down.

Fire BK · Post #5 » by **Fire BK** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:52 am

Greetings, fellas....

I have a source very close to the situation........ I'm told this is a done deal.

Tayshaun Prince
FOR
Ron Artest & filler

Suddenly you guys have a bright, young future....

VeeJay24 · Post #6 » by **VeeJay24** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:39 am

Prince? I am not totally turned off by Prince but there's he issue of him and Martin having very thin frames, but Prince is makes a big difference defensively. I would like to get Amir Johnson.

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:42 am

I really don't like this idea that much myself. I am really hoping for cap space in '09!!!

Oh well, it would really be great, great value for Ron but I would much rather shoot for cap space.

Still, Prince would be a great running mate for Kevin Martin and could very well blossom with a chance to be the #2 option for his team. He can also run the point-F a little. Still, once again this proves Petrie can't let the "value" part go if a trade like this were to happen.

Ballings7 · Post #8 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:47 am

Why cap-space for 09? Who would we have a realistc shot at getting?

SacKingZZZ · Post #9 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:51 am

Ballings7 wrote:Why cap-space for 09? Who would we have a realistc shot at getting?

Deng, Iggy, Okafor, and a few others like Josh Smith might take their respective QO's. If they do we would for certain get one of them, sure we'd have to overpay but still. Another option I think is we could transfer our cap space to another team over the cap and get them room for '10 possibly pulling off a "Gasol" type of trade.

Ballings7 · Post #10 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:01 am

Oh, alright

SacKingZZZ · Post #11 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:04 am

I was just thinking, who would the "filler" part of the deal be? The only guys that work are our recent draft picks. Unless Detroit adds more into the deal we'd have to deal one of Douby, Williams, Thompson, Hawes, or Garcia. My guess would be Shelden or Douby but I'd hate to have to give up anyone else youth wise just to make the trade work.

Ballings7 · Post #12 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:07 am

I don't want to see Shelden go.

SacKingZZZ · Post #13 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:26 am

Ballings7 wrote:I don't want to see Shelden go.

I don't either, but I remember reading the other day about the Kings possibly considering not picking up his option for next year. Then I realized he makes over 4 million next year! That is a lot of dough for a 3rd big off the bench. He clearly isn't going to get time over Thompson, short or long run. With both Ron and Shelden off the books next year this would give the Pistons basically what I wanted...a ton cap space for 2009! Haha. Oh well.

Now however 2010 becomes more and more interesting. We could have a core of Prince, Martin, Thompson, Hawes, and our next 2 lotto picks to add to. That isn't too bad and I think Prince would perfectly compliment Martin for the long term. Prince is a good passer, defender, ball handler (Doug Christie-ish anyone!?) and he will have no problem deferring to Martin and could make Kevin better as a player. He is very unselfish. I have always heard that Prince is capable of being a 20ppg player, he may have his chance to do that here.

BMiller52 · Post #14 » by **BMiller52** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:14 am

Ballings7 wrote:I don't want to see Shelden go.

What if the deal were Ron/Shelden for Tay/JMax? Max is prolly better than Shelden and he brings lots of D and energy.

VeeJay24 · Post #15 » by **VeeJay24** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:27 am

BMiller52 wrote:
Ballings7 wrote:I don't want to see Shelden go.

What if the deal were Ron/Shelden for Tay/JMax? Max is prolly better than Shelden and he brings lots of D and energy.

Would the Pistons give up Maxiel? I wouldn't think so, I think with the play of Sharpe during Summer League that Johnson would be expendable.

This works Artest/Moore for Prince/Johnson

_SRV_ · Post #16 » by **_SRV_** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:28 am

Skinnienst lineup ever?
Hawes/Moore/Prince/Martin/Beno

ilikepistonslol · Post #17 » by **ilikepistonslol** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:48 am

VeeJay24 wrote:
BMiller52 wrote:
Ballings7 wrote:I don't want to see Shelden go.

What if the deal were Ron/Shelden for Tay/JMax? Max is prolly better than Shelden and he brings lots of D and energy.

Would the Pistons give up Maxiel? I wouldn't think so, I think with the play of Sharpe during Summer League that Johnson would be expendable.

This works Artest/Moore for Prince/Johnson

Personally i'd hate to see Max go but his trade stock may never be higher than it is right now, considering what hes getting paid now and how young he is. And with how much faith Dumars has placed on Amir Johnson he might be ready to let him go; we don't need them both.

That second deal works too though.

Dustin5566 · Post #18 » by **Dustin5566** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:49 pm

The signing of Bobby Brown I think means the writings on the wall for Douby.

Artest/Douby
for
Prince

I'd love to squeeze Maxiell or Johnson out of them though..

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #19 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:10 pm

I personally think Prince is a decent fit along side martin, in the aspect that he can DO what we need from a SF playing along side Martin - he's a great defender and is very athletic. But he is skinny, not to young, and does ruin all capspace ideas.

Still, I would like the deal, but I would LOVE to get Maxiell. Johnson is alreight, but Maxiell I would love to get.

deNIEd · Post #20 » by **deNIEd** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:28 pm

This is stupid