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Martin's Summertime Work (Part 2) plus Video! 

Post#1 » by Cruel_Ruin » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:36 am

I think this warrants a seperate thread

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1271450.html

BRADENTON, Fla. – Kevin Martin hasn't received his homework assignment just yet, and it shows.

"Everybody says they want to force me left, but I want them to force me left," the Kings shooting guard says with a bit of bravado inside a dank gym at the IMG Academies earlier this month. "I love going left."

But the research – a sheet filled with statistics Martin hands to his personal coach, David Thorpe, on this muggy morning – shows it's not quite that simple. Martin may have gone left 62.19 percent of the time last season, but his efficiency when heading that direction was well below the rate when he headed right.


The video is a must-see. The difference in his ballhandling is stunning. He reminded me of Tony Parker the way he would use those fakes and footwork. Not to mention that he looks way more toned (especially his arms), and his swagger is just different. The amount of detail David Thorpe goes into is simply amazing.

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Post#2 » by and2premiere » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:14 pm

that was simply draw dropping...he's getting paid $11 million a year, and he just got better!? I'm not surprised at him, I'm just surprised at that idea. wow.
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Post#3 » by Rugged Ron Ron » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:08 pm

all this guy do is work, work , work! i love it. his ball handling is so much improve, but i want to see him use it during a game. it's easy to dribble the ball all fancy when you're by yourself, nobody guarding you.

the 1st Preseason game is less than 10 days away. i cant wait.
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Post#4 » by ICMTM » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:32 pm

Rugged Ron Ron wrote:all this guy do is work, work , work! i love it. his ball handling is so much improve, but i want to see him use it during a game. it's easy to dribble the ball all fancy when you're by yourself, nobody guarding you.

the 1st Preseason game is less than 10 days away. i cant wait.



I wasn't impressed with the dribbling in the video as that display won't get him by anyone on the NBA level. I'm not saying his dribble isn't improved. I'm just saying the example shown isn't a good one. Also the trainer talked more about Kevin's shooting then anything else so it just seems like the article written and the video didn't go together.
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Post#5 » by HUBlackstar83 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:32 pm

You guys are right about the fancy drIbbling and no one guarding him, but I will say it's nice to see that his ball handling has improved dramatically. I don't expect Kevin to go Iverson on anyone, but it's good to see him adding dimensions to his game.

I also like that one move where he exploded to the rim and finished with a nice reverse dunk. I'm looking forward to more explosive/flashy finishes from Kevin, not those boring two hand dunks he's had in the past. He's too talented to be so vanilla. I'm just glad to see him continually getting better. Kevin is definitely gonna be a problem this year.

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Post#6 » by Cruel_Ruin » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:55 pm

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Rugged Ron Ron wrote:all this guy do is work, work , work! i love it. his ball handling is so much improve, but i want to see him use it during a game. it's easy to dribble the ball all fancy when you're by yourself, nobody guarding you.

the 1st Preseason game is less than 10 days away. i cant wait.



I wasn't impressed with the dribbling in the video as that display won't get him by anyone on the NBA level. I'm not saying his dribble isn't improved. I'm just saying the example shown isn't a good one. Also the trainer talked more about Kevin's shooting then anything else so it just seems like the article written and the video didn't go together.


Well, it's not just the fancy stunts he pulls, but also the technicalities of the dribble are much improved. He's getting lower to the ground than before. He changes hands much faster. When he's driving to the rim, the changes in direction are much tighter. Overall, it's a night and day difference between what he displayed last year over the season.

But you're right in that we have to see it translate into the regular season. Consider me optimistic.
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Post#7 » by PaKwAn » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:20 pm

Cruel_Ruin wrote:
ICMTM wrote:
Rugged Ron Ron wrote:all this guy do is work, work , work! i love it. his ball handling is so much improve, but i want to see him use it during a game. it's easy to dribble the ball all fancy when you're by yourself, nobody guarding you.

the 1st Preseason game is less than 10 days away. i cant wait.



I wasn't impressed with the dribbling in the video as that display won't get him by anyone on the NBA level. I'm not saying his dribble isn't improved. I'm just saying the example shown isn't a good one. Also the trainer talked more about Kevin's shooting then anything else so it just seems like the article written and the video didn't go together.


Well, it's not just the fancy stunts he pulls, but also the technicalities of the dribble are much improved. He's getting lower to the ground than before. He changes hands much faster. When he's driving to the rim, the changes in direction are much tighter. Overall, it's a night and day difference between what he displayed last year over the season.

But you're right in that we have to see it translate into the regular season. Consider me optimistic.


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Post#8 » by ICMTM » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:58 pm

Errr....okay yes he changes hands but in the one clip where his back is to the camera he's moving in a straight line to the rim. Sure it's changing hands but who cares since you know where he's going. In all honesty Kevin's ability to dribble a basketball is fine. I saw no difference here than what he did last season. Kevin's issue is he isn't effective creating offense off the dribble for himself or others.

Those dribbling moves weren't fancy FYI. Look at John Salmons when he takes someone off the dribble. He can give you the impression he's going to move one way and then goes another (crossover). Latrell Spreewell just ran past people to the right. Artest runs over people. A good defender would take Kevin's pull up jumper away from him and just DARE him to beat him off the dribble. Kevin doesn't move quick with the ball. He isn't strong enough to muscle anyone to the rim. He doesn't have a crossover move to speak of.

You guys are talking in terms of how well KMart can dribble in one area or by himself while I'm talking about using the dribbling skills in an offensive way. He's not that kind of player. The Bee writeup was BAD in saying that he was trying to improve his one on one game while the coach was talking mostly about shooting technique.

FURTHERMORE...

Kevin's strength is being able to score efficiently. There aren't too many scorers that play in isolation that are efficient scorers so I don't really care to see Kevin evolve into that. He's already scoring 24 per. I don't see him improving or increasing that number much at all.
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Post#9 » by Rugged Ron Ron » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:19 pm

ICMTM wrote:He's already scoring 24 per. I don't see him improving or increasing that number much at all.
I agreed with the other stuff, but not the above. If giving more touches, I'm sure he can get 26-28ppg.
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Post#10 » by pillwenney » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:43 am

I think it should increase a little bit. Kevin's expertise isn't in isolation, but he can score in that way, and he should get a bit more of an opportunity in that regard this year. That alone should bump him up a couple points.
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Post#11 » by a-rod » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:08 am

ICMTM wrote:Errr....okay yes he changes hands but in the one clip where his back is to the camera he's moving in a straight line to the rim. Sure it's changing hands but who cares since you know where he's going. In all honesty Kevin's ability to dribble a basketball is fine. I saw no difference here than what he did last season. Kevin's issue is he isn't effective creating offense off the dribble for himself or others.

Those dribbling moves weren't fancy FYI. Look at John Salmons when he takes someone off the dribble. He can give you the impression he's going to move one way and then goes another (crossover). Latrell Spreewell just ran past people to the right. Artest runs over people. A good defender would take Kevin's pull up jumper away from him and just DARE him to beat him off the dribble. Kevin doesn't move quick with the ball. He isn't strong enough to muscle anyone to the rim. He doesn't have a crossover move to speak of.

You guys are talking in terms of how well KMart can dribble in one area or by himself while I'm talking about using the dribbling skills in an offensive way. He's not that kind of player. The Bee writeup was BAD in saying that he was trying to improve his one on one game while the coach was talking mostly about shooting technique.

FURTHERMORE...

Kevin's strength is being able to score efficiently. There aren't too many scorers that play in isolation that are efficient scorers so I don't really care to see Kevin evolve into that. He's already scoring 24 per. I don't see him improving or increasing that number much at all.

That's one of the best & spot on analogy I've ever read here at RealGm....
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Post#12 » by KF10 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:45 am

Errr....okay yes he changes hands but in the one clip where his back is to the camera he's moving in a straight line to the rim. Sure it's changing hands but who cares since you know where he's going. In all honesty Kevin's ability to dribble a basketball is fine. I saw no difference here than what he did last season. Kevin's issue is he isn't effective creating offense off the dribble for himself or others.


Yeah, true. But then again, this is only a practice-base scenario. We can't just make an absolute evaluation due to this clip. Even though, it hints us what Martin is capable of doing. I would like to see Martin in action in the preseason to formulate any opinions/evaluation.

Those dribbling moves weren't fancy FYI. Look at John Salmons when he takes someone off the dribble. He can give you the impression he's going to move one way and then goes another (crossover). Latrell Spreewell just ran past people to the right. Artest runs over people. A good defender would take Kevin's pull up jumper away from him and just DARE him to beat him off the dribble. Kevin doesn't move quick with the ball. He isn't strong enough to muscle anyone to the rim. He doesn't have a crossover move to speak of.


Doesn't have a crossover? That's inaccurate. Martin has shown a couple of crossovers. But he doens't use it. His game is based on off the ball scenario. One on one scenario offense isn't his strong suit...yet.

You guys are talking in terms of how well KMart can dribble in one area or by himself while I'm talking about using the dribbling skills in an offensive way. He's not that kind of player. The Bee writeup was BAD in saying that he was trying to improve his one on one game while the coach was talking mostly about shooting technique.


Yeah, this part I agree. It is a poor description about the theme of the article. The Bee is off on this.


FURTHERMORE...

Kevin's strength is being able to score efficiently. There aren't too many scorers that play in isolation that are efficient scorers so I don't really care to see Kevin evolve into that. He's already scoring 24 per. I don't see him improving or increasing that number much at all.


Well again, I will not make opinions/evaluations on that sample clip. Even though, the clip shows positive things of Martin and etc. But I want to see Martin in pre-season..or at least training camp to formulate any opinion of his game.

I would like to say that, Martin has improved though.
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Post#13 » by ICMTM » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:04 am

Improved from what?
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Post#14 » by ICMTM » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:13 am

I wish Kevin Martin all the luck in the next season, but there isn't anything he's done that I can see he's going to take the league by storm. IMO the guy to watch next season is John Salmons and not Kevin Martin. Kevin will get his points. He will go on spurts where he will score 10-15 points in an instant, I just don't think he's going to be THE GUY. A video clip and some Sam Amick spin isn't enough for me to change my opinion.
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Post#15 » by KF10 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:15 am

ICMTM wrote:Improved from what?


Well, as is right now base on articles/webcasts/audio/quotes, Martin has improved in his leadership persona and his swagger. Physically, he has improved his ball handling on his weak hand, improved as a shooter/scorer, his defensive position (overall defensive IQ) and etc...Just basically, he improved his weaknesses from the past and as well as improving his strengths.

Like I said, I want to see Martin demonstrate all those things on court. But I do believe all of the mentioned sources are accurate of Martin's improved game.
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Post#16 » by KF10 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:19 am

ICMTM wrote:I wish Kevin Martin all the luck in the next season, but there isn't anything he's done that I can see he's going to take the league by storm. IMO the guy to watch next season is John Salmons and not Kevin Martin. Kevin will get his points. He will go on spurts where he will score 10-15 points in an instant, I just don't think he's going to be THE GUY. A video clip and some Sam Amick spin isn't enough for me to change my opinion.


Well, BOTH of those guys are the GUYS to watch for next season. Well, Martin will benefit of being the #1 option. But Salmons will benefit of being a full time starter. Which he was close to an all star at one point in past season. His overall game is really good IMO.
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Post#17 » by King Baller » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:00 am

Kevin has improved his game every season. This is the mark of a great player.

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Post#18 » by Joseph17 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:31 am

This is exactly what I expected from him. I'm really not that surprised. The best part of the video was the dunk. That was Lebronesque.
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Post#19 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:26 pm

Without Ron, I'm expecting Martin to get upwards of 26 points while Salmons gets 17-18. I don't see how being the real lone offensive weapons besides Beno and, maybe arguably, Miller (and a benchy of Garcia) means they both can't have breakout performances.
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Post#20 » by ICMTM » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:47 pm

I'm not saying Martin will have a bad season, but he definitely will have a different season since he will receive more defensive attention without Artest in the lineup. I'm expecting Martin's numbers to stay the same though.

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