What is the matter?

[CWEBB#4+Kings]

As we all know of course, the Kings have been doing horrible this past season and the preseason. Coach Theus says everything is going just as planned. But i do not know if its just me but I do not see the kings going anywhere this year. I know we are rebuilding. But i don't think we can do it with Spencer, Brown, Salmons. We seem to have lots of young upcoming stars with Martin leading the way. But this has been going on for a while. Can some body explain to me why the Maloofs seem like they aren't doing anything. We have Donte, Bjax etc, but these players can't compliment each other. I would really like to know what your opinions are and what you think about the team and the Maloofs and also if the Kings really are going in the right direction as the organization says they are.

[a-rod]

It is a rebuilding process which will take time. It is very rare to see a team in any sport go from last to first in just a season or two. How long would you say we have been rebuilding?

it's going to get worse before it gets better...

but these players can't compliment

What are you talking about!? this roster as currently constructed is perfect fit for The Princeton Offense....

The Princeton Offense It does require players that can shoot well from the outside, pass and drive with either hand, and possess good court savvy. In addition, all players must develop an unselfish attitude and work hard to create open shots opportunities for their teammates. This is accomplished by having patience and controlling the ball. Because of this constant player movement superior physical conditioning is a very important ingredient to its success.

[Smills91]

Well if you wanted W's then taking the torch and pitchforks to Ron Artest was the EXACT opposite approach to take. THis team has talent, but it's very inexperienced and their going to be a LOT of growing pains this year.

[ICMTM]

THIS team has SOME talent and hopefully the potential pans out, but it's not a talented team.

[SacKingZZZ]

Dude, this is the part where the young guys learn, we suck, we get a top pick, suck a little less next year, get another pretty good pick, add some FA's maybe, get a new coach? (It typically happens around that stage you know. Maybe not if Reggie still has a grasp on his team), and then go out and compete.

This team isn't dead yet this season. I wouldn't put it past them to shock a lot of people and totally screw up the plan. haha. I fully expect a totally different team at home. It's going to take time for these guys to get it going, think about all the youth, most of which has been stuffed on a bench for far too long BTW, they have to learn their own games before they can even begin to learn eachothers. This needs to be the season where that is the main focus. We'll see what happens when Brad comes back, but it may not be the best thing when it comes to the development aspect.

[_SRV_]

I'm reserving judgment until we play at home, but no one expected this team to be good after trading Artest and missing Brad and Garcia, it's depressing I know, but this is what we wanted (and needed), we don't need a middle of the pack team that's not good enough for PO, not bad enough for a top 5 pick.
And, remember, the Kings usually bounce back after home stand, we've never been embarrassed like that, but this is a very young team with its only worthy veteran missing.

[Smills91]

THIS team has SOME talent and hopefully the potential pans out, but it's not a talented team.

I'm going to disagree, Martin, Thompson, Garcia, Hawes, Greene et al are all very talented! They are all very inexperienced though and it SHOWS BADYLY.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Miller and Garcia will help. Playing at home will help a little bit also. We were a bad team gonig in the season everyone knew this, without those two we are gonna be terrible

[element_88]

maybe bobby brown shud start? it might send a message to beno, i think bobby brown is a good floor general, during preseason his to's were low i think i havent checked so not really sure

[deNIEd]

For everyone that wants to rebuild, but are complaining now, what hypocrites. THIS is what rebuilding is like. It isn't fun, it isn't exciting, but ITS necessary.

This process should have happened two years ago in 07, where getting a top pick would have been a lot more significant than this year or even next. (Oden, Durant, Horford, Rose, Beasley are all better prospects than Griffin, Rubio, Jennings, etc.)

Our team lacks talent, and this is the time to acquire that talent, from the draft. For everyone that said or thought it was possible to rebuild without the draft, well, it isn't.

[pillwenney]

For everyone that wants to rebuild, but are complaining now, what hypocrites. THIS is what rebuilding is like. It isn't fun, it isn't exciting, but ITS necessary.

This process should have happened two years ago in 07, where getting a top pick would have been a lot more significant than this year or even next. (Oden, Durant, Horford, Rose, Beasley are all better prospects than Griffin, Rubio, Jennings, etc.)

Our team lacks talent, and this is the time to acquire that talent, from the draft. For everyone that said or thought it was possible to rebuild without the draft, well, it isn't.

Whoever said it was possible to rebuild without the draft? I think what people said is that it's possible to rebuild without tanking and getting a top pick, and it is.

[ICMTM]

THIS team has SOME talent and hopefully the potential pans out, but it's not a talented team.

I'm going to disagree, Martin, Thompson, Garcia, Hawes, Greene et al are all very talented!

et al?

Jackson, Miller - guys who would compliment a Celtic like team by coming off the bench. The best is behind them.

Beno, Moore, Thomas - Guys who are always going to be on a roster at the right price, but they are role players. I can't say very talented fits here at all.

Brown - May struggle with making another NBA roster if it doesn't work out here. I'd almost say the same thing for Quincy Douby, but we shall see.

Salmons, Williams - Sometimes they look great. Othertimes they look a bit foolish. I don't think it's going to get much brighter for them as far as growth. If we're talking growth I've argued Martin is about finished in that area, too. For this point I'm making we will say he's a growth player though.

So with 5 Very talented players and two vets that once were very talented players on the back sides of their careers I can't say this is a very talented team. I am saying there is some talent (the guys you mentioned), but overall the talent level on this squad isn't high.

We do not have a star player. I'm not saying the group above won't produce that kind of player down the road, but none of them are on star level now. Martin is closest. Thompson and Hawes may have the tools, but when you say "talent" I'm thinking more of Boozer/Williams talent. I'm thinking Paul/West talent, or Ming/McGrady/Artest talent. What you are calling talent I'm calling potential talent I suppose? If we get an all world PG that played exceptional defense I think we'd be a good team right now.

[Smills91]

THIS team has SOME talent and hopefully the potential pans out, but it's not a talented team.

I'm going to disagree, Martin, Thompson, Garcia, Hawes, Greene et al are all very talented!

et al?

Jackson, Miller - guys who would compliment a Celtic like team by coming off the bench. The best is behind them.

Beno, Moore, Thomas - Guys who are always going to be on a roster at the right price, but they are role players. I can't say very talented fits here at all.

Brown - May struggle with making another NBA roster if it doesn't work out here. I'd almost say the same thing for Quincy Douby, but we shall see.

Salmons, Williams - Sometimes they look great. Othertimes they look a bit foolish. I don't think it's going to get much brighter for them as far as growth. If we're talking growth I've argued Martin is about finished in that area, too. For this point I'm making we will say he's a growth player though.

So with 5 Very talented players and two vets that once were very talented players on the back sides of their careers I can't say this is a very talented team. I am saying there is some talent (the guys you mentioned), but overall the talent level on this squad isn't high.

We do not have a star player. I'm not saying the group above won't produce that kind of player down the road, but none of them are on star level now. Martin is closest. Thompson and Hawes may have the tools, but when you say "talent" I'm thinking more of Boozer/Williams talent. I'm thinking Paul/West talent, or Ming/McGrady/Artest talent. What you are calling talent I'm calling potential talent I suppose? If we get an all world PG that played exceptional defense I think we'd be a good team right now.

Sorry I wasn't clear with the et al, I was referring to Geoff's future picks since we have a handful coming our way the next couple year. His track record shows that he'll get a player who can produce at the VERY least every other year.

[SacKingZZZ]

For everyone that wants to rebuild, but are complaining now, what hypocrites. THIS is what rebuilding is like. It isn't fun, it isn't exciting, but ITS necessary.

This process should have happened two years ago in 07, where getting a top pick would have been a lot more significant than this year or even next. (Oden, Durant, Horford, Rose, Beasley are all better prospects than Griffin, Rubio, Jennings, etc.)

Our team lacks talent, and this is the time to acquire that talent, from the draft. For everyone that said or thought it was possible to rebuild without the draft, well, it isn't.

Whoever said it was possible to rebuild without the draft? I think what people said is that it's possible to rebuild without tanking and getting a top pick, and it is.

Yeah, but it's highly unlikely.

[SacKingZZZ]

maybe bobby brown shud start? it might send a message to beno, i think bobby brown is a good floor general, during preseason his to's were low i think i havent checked so not really sure

I'll say it right now, I don't think Bobby Brown is the best PG for us. He is way too "shoot first" and we need the ball to move and be in the hands of our more prominent prospects.

[element_88]

if not bobby brown maybe a big guard line up of cisco/martin/salmons?

[ICMTM]

Sorry I wasn't clear with the et al, I was referring to Geoff's future picks since we have a handful coming our way the next couple year. His track record shows that he'll get a player who can produce at the VERY least every other year.

He picked Douby...

Geoff & company usually do draft well, but at some point the drat can't be the only source of this rebuilding process. It takes too long. Look how long it's taken Portland to get right, and you can make the argument they aren't there yet.

Anyhow I think we have a start but just drafting people can take FOREVER.

[SacKingZZZ]

Sorry I wasn't clear with the et al, I was referring to Geoff's future picks since we have a handful coming our way the next couple year. His track record shows that he'll get a player who can produce at the VERY least every other year.

He picked Douby...

Geoff & company usually do draft well, but at some point the drat can't be the only source of this rebuilding process. It takes too long. Look how long it's taken Portland to get right, and you can make the argument they aren't there yet.

Anyhow I think we have a start but just drafting people can take FOREVER.

And that was a draft where Shelden Williams went 5th overall. That was a horrible draft. And I mean HORRIBLE! It's not like we missed out on anything too special after Douby.

[deNIEd]

Sorry I wasn't clear with the et al, I was referring to Geoff's future picks since we have a handful coming our way the next couple year. His track record shows that he'll get a player who can produce at the VERY least every other year.

He picked Douby...

Geoff & company usually do draft well, but at some point the drat can't be the only source of this rebuilding process. It takes too long. Look how long it's taken Portland to get right, and you can make the argument they aren't there yet.

Anyhow I think we have a start but just drafting people can take FOREVER.

And that was a draft where Shelden Williams went 5th overall. That was a horrible draft. And I mean HORRIBLE! It's not like we missed out on anything too special after Douby.

Quincy Douby (19th)

PG's
Rajon Rondo (21)
Marcus Williams (22)
Kyle Lowry (24)
Jordan Farmer (26)
Sergio Rodriguez (27)
Daniel Gibson (42)

PF's
Josh Boone (23)
Craig Smith (36)
Paul Milsap (47)
Leon Powe (49)

All players I would much rather have over Douby

[pillwenney]

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Quincy Douby (19th)

PG's
Rajon Rondo (21)
Marcus Williams (22)
Kyle Lowry (24)
Jordan Farmer (26)
Sergio Rodriguez (27)
Daniel Gibson (42)

PF's
Josh Boone (23)
Craig Smith (36)
Paul Milsap (47)
Leon Powe (49)

All players I would much rather have over Douby

In all likelihood, none of those players would make a big difference in the grand scheme of things. Sure someone like Millsap could really help with our rebounding right now, and Rondo may be a better option at PG. But we've all said that we need a really great PG for this team, and Rondo and Farmar don't qualify.

That's not to say that it was an ideal pick by any means, but it really wasn't that bad all things considered. You can always nit-pick, but Douby was a risk from the beginning--and one that doesn't appear to be paying off, but it was okay to take the risk even in hindsight, because none of those PGs were going to be sufficient as the main future floor generals and none of those bigs were going to anchor our defense. So there wasn't a huge error there really. It was just a risk that didn't really pan out.