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Kings deal: Beno Udrih/John Salmons/Houston 2009 pick
Clippers deal: Baron Davis/Mardy Collins

Why for the Kings - We add a substaintial upgrade at PG. Davis has been a terrible fit in LA and I think Beno would actually be the better fit. Kings now clear room on the wings to perhaps move Brad Miller for someone like Gerald Wallace on the wings.

Why for the Clippers - Beno is a better fit next to low-post players. Salmons would round out there swing position an additional 1st carries over the value.

Kings new roster after trades =

C: Spencer Hawes, Mikki Moore, Shelden Williams
PF: Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas
SF: Gerald Wallace, Francisco Garcia, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Bobby Jackson, Quincy Douby
PG: Baron Davis, Bobby Brown, Mardy Collins

Kings become a much more fast break oriented team

Smills i usually think alot of trade proposals you make are pretty good or at least somewhat in the ballpark of possibility but in this case the kings dont need baron davis or his bloated contract

just say no to this one !

Why would a team, that has NO chance of reaching the playoffs until MAYBE 2010, trade to get an old PG in Baron Davis? And better yet, why would they give up a draft pick to do it?!

I actually think BD would be a good fit on the Kings. He'd be able to dominate the ball and our offense would revolve around him creating. Unlike on the Clippers the Kings big men are perimeter oriented which is beneficial both to Davis and the Kings bigs. Having a playmaking PG like Davis could potentially take Kmarts game to the next level as well.

Davis/Kmart/Garcia/Hawes/Miller
Brown/Jackson/Greene/Thompson/Moore

If you can make a Miller/Marion swap, we could be one of the highest scoring teams in the league.

Davis/Kmart/Garcia/Marion/Hawes

sackings916 wrote:I actually think BD would be a good fit on the Kings. He'd be able to dominate the ball and our offense would revolve around him creating. Unlike on the Clippers the Kings big men are perimeter oriented which is beneficial both to Davis and the Kings bigs. Having a playmaking PG like Davis could potentially take Kmarts game to the next level as well.

Davis/Kmart/Garcia/Hawes/Miller
Brown/Jackson/Greene/Thompson/Moore

If you can make a Miller/Marion swap, we could be one of the highest scoring teams in the league.

Davis/Kmart/Garcia/Marion/Hawes

I think THIS year is a LOST cause in the W-L columns, BUT I do think we could move forward with this. We'd have our backcourt set for the next half a decade and look to build around Thompson/Hawes/Greene moving forward. I was think a Miller/Wallace swap, but a Marion swap could be beneficial too. Having Davis allows us to focus on drafting the BPA and look to filling PG at a later time when better opportunities may award us.

I would be ok going after Baron (30), he will only be around for maybe 5 more years but he is a Bibby like guy. Beno would probably be a little better fit there than here. I think the only guy I would like to have more would be Ben Gordon because he is 3 years younger. Or Bayless for Salmons would be another choice if we want to go for a younger guy. We could give Bobby Brown more time to develop behind Baron also or use our pick for a PG if necessary still.

What about BMiller for Baron? They make the same salary, Brad's contract ends 2 years earlier and I know the Clips want some future cap relief.

The reason I'm willing to trade for Davis is that the Clippers could be one of the few posibilities to take Beno off our hands. So if Beno isn't included, they can keep Davis. Even with Beno it would be a questionable trade, but I'd take the risk in that case.

Very diversely talented and athletic on both ends (at least for capability), but our floor spacing would be inconsistent and average in the half-court. Baron gets most of his threes off of his own creation or on the break, and is what he's better at shooting them (similar to Nash and Kobe). Gerald can hit the three, but is kinda shaky, and not too respectable, I'd say. Kevin is Kevin. Unless Hawes and/or Thompson become Horry/Laimbeer/Rasheed-like shooting the three, you can't rely on them there (aka like Brad).

I think you need at least two consistent three pt shooters in the starting line-up to have a good offensive team. Because ultimately it usually comes down to half-court execution, and that is also the kind of situation quite a bit over the course of a game.

But that would be a very fun team for the short-term, and good for the franchise. I'd look foward to watching games every night like I used to.

Ballings7 wrote:Very diversely talented and athletic on both ends (at least for capability), but our floor spacing would be inconsistent and average in the half-court. Baron gets most of his threes off of his own creation or on the break, and is what he's better at shooting them (similar to Nash and Kobe). Gerald can hit the three, but is kinda shaky, and not too respectable, I'd say. Kevin is Kevin. Unless Hawes and/or Thompson become Horry/Laimbeer/Rasheed-like shooting the three, you can't rely on them there (aka like Brad).

I think you need at least two consistent three pt shooters in the starting line-up to have a good offensive team. Because ultimately it usually comes down to half-court execution, and that is also the kind of situation quite a bit over the course of a game.

But that would be a very fun team for the short-term, and good for the franchise. I'd look foward to watching games every night like I used to.

I think when HEALTHY Hawes has proven that he Already IS avery good 3 point threat now, but will only get better, also Kevin is there, as is Garcia. I think the reason our 3 point shooting has been utter poop is because we have nobody that can either a) break down a defense and force it to collapse to kick it out for an open 3 or a b) a genuine, consistent low-post threat(Ron) to command a double team to find the open three man.

Also, Greene, Douby, and heck even Brown/Jackson look like they'll all be better 3 point shooters with the addition of one or both of those type of players.

Smills91 wrote:

Ballings7 wrote:Very diversely talented and athletic on both ends (at least for capability), but our floor spacing would be inconsistent and average in the half-court. Baron gets most of his threes off of his own creation or on the break, and is what he's better at shooting them (similar to Nash and Kobe). Gerald can hit the three, but is kinda shaky, and not too respectable, I'd say. Kevin is Kevin. Unless Hawes and/or Thompson become Horry/Laimbeer/Rasheed-like shooting the three, you can't rely on them there (aka like Brad).

I think you need at least two consistent three pt shooters in the starting line-up to have a good offensive team. Because ultimately it usually comes down to half-court execution, and that is also the kind of situation quite a bit over the course of a game.

But that would be a very fun team for the short-term, and good for the franchise. I'd look foward to watching games every night like I used to.

I think when HEALTHY Hawes has proven that he Already IS avery good 3 point threat now, but will only get better, also Kevin is there, as is Garcia. I think the reason our 3 point shooting has been utter poop is because we have nobody that can either a) break down a defense and force it to collapse to kick it out for an open 3 or a b) a genuine, consistent low-post threat(Ron) to command a double team to find the open three man.

Also, Greene, Douby, and heck even Brown/Jackson look like they'll all be better 3 point shooters with the addition of one or both of those type of players.

Hawes has proven that he can shoot the 3, but as our center, I don't want him shooting more than 1-2 per game, at the most.

Baron isn't the answer for Sacramento.

He's spent a more than average amount of time on the bench for injurys, It's been rumored multiple times that he had an attitude problem, and seems to be a "system PG".

So you've got a guy on the wrong side of 30, with a large lengthy contract, that only performs at a high level in particular systems, of course when he's healthy, which isn't all that often anyway.

we should trade for Baron and then sign Allan Houston out of retirement.

I agree Smills

But in the starting, finishing line-up like I said? That's not an adequate group to space the floor on a consistent basis, they'd be semi-respectable. Thompson and/or Hawes need to become proven, pretty serious 3PT shooters. Hawes has definitely hown ability there, but I don't think like that S5 would need, and I'd like to see him around the low-post-elbows more than behind the 3PT line. Which is how it should and needs to eventually go for him.

But, that would only matter in the case of a longer-term team situation. Short-term, ultimately it wouldn't matter.

Which is the better 4 year answer for the Kings, a 30 year old Baron or any year old Udrih? Do we regret pulling the trigger on the old Bibby? He was 31. We could take Baron and still use our #1 pick for a PG? Check out the ages for all the Rookies PG's in the draft coming in? Holiday (18), Harden (19), Jennings (18), Curry (21), Rubio (18). Do you think any of these PG's we draft will make an immediate an impact in the next 2-3 years? Maybe Curry. Rose was 20 but is a freak as well. We can still draft a PG have them play behind Baron and let them run things when he is done. It is really a gamble either way. We will still have enough cap space from the other moves after 2010 only it will be only in the teens ($15mil-ish). I think Baron would be worth Miller or Salmons since we need a PG NOW? I'm not saying Baron is the best around but he is a pro and he will also help Bobby Brown competeing with him everyday. If you know of another young PG that can give us 20/7 and is available we can trade for them. Maybe Bayless or Ben Gordon.

I would really rather unload Salmons than Brad since it is a position we have a lot of depth at SF. We could also run JT and Greene at SF also. I think keeping Brad is better than keeping Salmons but it would take a chunk of our 2010 cap space if we got Baron. I like Salmons though also because noone plays Kobe tougher than him. Long term Salmons could play Kobe tough the rest of his career maybe 5 years. Long term Miller would be good for us for 4 years. Baron would be good for us for 4 years also. It is a tough call. But our 2 weakest links are PG and Moore and Mikki and Mikki Moore. If we upgrade both weak links we will win more games, probably not playoffs this year but they can gel for next year.

The only deal I would like better would be Salmons for Ben Gordon. Salmons would upgrade Chicago's SF spot and our PG spot. I believe we would retain Gordon's Bird rights and could resign him for the max contract. I would be ok with that.