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The 2 most rumored players being dealt are B.Miller & J.Salmons
Since we already have a B.Miller thread i thought we could open this thread up for Salmons

So what do we want for him ?
What do you see his value is ?
What type of trade do you see as possible & beneficial to us (ThE Kings ) ?

thoughts

Thank you for setting up this thread. I have a feeling it's going to be good.

Well i was just on the trade board, and I saw a melo trade thread...

I think the kings could put together a nice little package to get him here.

Kings trade: salmons, thompson, greene, williams, douby and Hou 1st for Melo.

We lose salmons, thompson and greene, which is painful, but Melo would really make up what kind of team we are on offense. Melo would be specacular next to martin and hawes where he would be, technically, the number one option.

If melo was here, he would take a lot of pressure off of martin, and honestly, we could just sign someone in the offseason to play PF and draft a point or visa versa.

Another option would be this

Kings trade: salmons, greene, miller, moore, douby, williams and Hou 1st for Melo and Martin

The kings take on martin's contract in exchange for keeping thompson. Miller and moore expire before 2010, so they save plenty of money.

Personally, I think that the first one has a better chance of happening, but Ill introduce both on the trade board and see if any of them fly

just say no to melo. not a fan at that pricetag/ego.

KM44 wrote:Thank you for setting up this thread. I have a feeling it's going to be good.

Well i was just on the trade board, and I saw a melo trade thread...

I think the kings could put together a nice little package to get him here.

Kings trade: salmons, thompson, greene, williams, douby and Hou 1st for Melo.

We lose salmons, thompson and greene, which is painful, but Melo would really make up what kind of team we are on offense. Melo would be specacular next to martin and hawes where he would be, technically, the number one option.

If melo was here, he would take a lot of pressure off of martin, and honestly, we could just sign someone in the offseason to play PF and draft a point or visa versa.

Another option would be this

Kings trade: salmons, greene, miller, moore, douby, williams and Hou 1st for Melo and Martin

The kings take on martin's contract in exchange for keeping thompson. Miller and moore expire before 2010, so they save plenty of money.

Personally, I think that the first one has a better chance of happening, but Ill introduce both on the trade board and see if any of them fly

Giving up salmons, greene and thompson hurts especially because of how thompson has shown lately and early in the season. I would do the second trade even though i dont want martin at all. I love kevin but it seems to me that he would be a better second option then our first option and he could still average 20+ a game. If we can't get a big time player like melo then a pure shooter would be my next option. A guy that can spread the floor when martin drives like a peja use to do for c-webb. Korver maybe?

What Salmon rumors are you talking about. Their was a vague article a couple weeks ago that a writer wrote the Kings might be looking to move Miller and Salmons. Yet I have not seen any other rumors that the Kings were trading Salmons. There has been many posters on the trade board making offers for Salmons, most of which are crap, but that is a big difference than rumors.

I don't think we need to trade Salmons until Green is ready to start which is not very soon IMO. Most posters want to trade their expiring contracts for Salmons which I think would be dumb for the Kings. The only way I can see the Kings trading Salmons for expirings is if Beno is included.

I don't want to trade Salmons at this point, our defense is so bad, imagine how bad it would be if Salmons were gone.

Well, for me I feel Miller has to be traded this season, or his value will drop even more next year. Unless we don't plan on signing a FA in 2010, then trading Miller next year will pretty much either have to be for our "superstar player" or no trade at all. Miller's value is greatest now, and by summer, it'll be similar to the value of a Wally Z.

Now, if Miller is gone, we are 5-6 million short of being in a position to possibly sign a big name FA this summer. Regardless if we plan on doing so or not, since we are so close, we might as well set ourselves up so it's a possibility. Because of that, either Salmons/Garcia/Beno would have to go. Beno I think is untradable since he is the worst starting PG in the league, and between Garcia and Salmons, I'd rather trade Salmons.

Sactown kings i dont think you have been reading very much then because there have been many articles written in reguards not to mention talk on the radio show as well !

it may not happen but the kings are talking as many deals involving salmons as they are on miller !

SacTown Kings wrote:What Salmon rumors are you talking about. Their was a vague article a couple weeks ago that a writer wrote the Kings might be looking to move Miller and Salmons. Yet I have not seen any other rumors that the Kings were trading Salmons. There has been many posters on the trade board making offers for Salmons, most of which are crap, but that is a big difference than rumors.

I don't think we need to trade Salmons until Green is ready to start which is not very soon IMO. Most posters want to trade their expiring contracts for Salmons which I think would be dumb for the Kings. The only way I can see the Kings trading Salmons for expirings is if Beno is included.

I don't want to trade Salmons at this point, our defense is so bad, imagine how bad it would be if Salmons were gone.

Broke is broke. Defensive woes don't always have to with personnel, at least ours don't. When you are this bad on defense it goes waaaaay beyond having "good" or "bad" defensive players.

Why don't we swing Salmons to Portland? Salmons, Moore and Douby for Outlaw, Rodriguez, Frye and Diogu. We pick up more youth to add to the rotation. Rodriguez has looked good in bursts. Outlaw has flashed potential. Rotation conists of:
Udrih / Rodriguez / Jackson / Brown
Martin / Garcia /
Outlaw / Greene
Thompson / Frye / Diogu / KT
Miller / Hawes / Shelden

Sacramento_King wrote:Why don't we swing Salmons to Portland? Salmons, Moore and Douby for Outlaw, Rodriguez, Frye and Diogu. We pick up more youth to add to the rotation. Rodriguez has looked good in bursts. Outlaw has flashed potential. Rotation conists of:
Udrih / Rodriguez / Jackson / Brown
Martin / Garcia /
Outlaw / Greene
Thompson / Frye / Diogu / KT
Miller / Hawes / Shelden

As a Portland fan, this has some potential. Can we make the deal smaller though? How about something along the lines of Salmons for Rodriguez, Frye, & 2009 pick?

tester551 wrote:

Sacramento_King wrote:Why don't we swing Salmons to Portland? Salmons, Moore and Douby for Outlaw, Rodriguez, Frye and Diogu. We pick up more youth to add to the rotation. Rodriguez has looked good in bursts. Outlaw has flashed potential. Rotation conists of:
Udrih / Rodriguez / Jackson / Brown
Martin / Garcia /
Outlaw / Greene
Thompson / Frye / Diogu / KT
Miller / Hawes / Shelden

As a Portland fan, this has some potential. Can we make the deal smaller though? How about something along the lines of Salmons for Rodriguez, Frye, & 2009 pick?

I would prefer to get Outlaw over Fyre. Not sure if a trade of Salmons for Rodriguez, Outlaw, and Pick work.

chriswebb86 wrote:

tester551 wrote:

Sacramento_King wrote:Why don't we swing Salmons to Portland? Salmons, Moore and Douby for Outlaw, Rodriguez, Frye and Diogu. We pick up more youth to add to the rotation. Rodriguez has looked good in bursts. Outlaw has flashed potential. Rotation conists of:
Udrih / Rodriguez / Jackson / Brown
Martin / Garcia /
Outlaw / Greene
Thompson / Frye / Diogu / KT
Miller / Hawes / Shelden

As a Portland fan, this has some potential. Can we make the deal smaller though? How about something along the lines of Salmons for Rodriguez, Frye, & 2009 pick?

I would prefer to get Outlaw over Fyre. Not sure if a trade of Salmons for Rodriguez, Outlaw, and Pick work.

Not necessary to insist on Outlaw when there is a potential that Green can develop into a similar player. As for the deal, it doesn't excite me all that much. The 09 pick (especially if it is an unprotected 1st) is the only real value I can see. Frye might be an OK back up PF in the future, but he just exacerbates our current glut of bigs looking for minutes. SerRod would be a good back up point for the future, but we already have 2 back ups on the roster (one being payed starter money...Beno). Honestly, Salmons is worth more than 2 back ups and a first. I agree that he's not worth more than that to the Blazers, but he should be worth more than that to the Kings.

Frye also said how much he hated Sacramento

deNIEd wrote:Frye also said how much he hated Sacramento

Meh...a lot of players have talked about how much they hate Sacramento until they actually were paid to play there. I don't put much stock into that. I seem to remember Billy Owens refusing to sign with the Kings when they drafted him because he didn't want to be in Sacramento...well, he was happy to be playing there 5 years later when he eventually got traded to the Kings (he still sucked regardless and it was his refusal to sign that eventually led to the Kings getting Webber, so it's all good).

KingInExile wrote:Not necessary to insist on Outlaw when there is a potential that Green can develop into a similar player. As for the deal, it doesn't excite me all that much. The 09 pick (especially if it is an unprotected 1st) is the only real value I can see. Frye might be an OK back up PF in the future, but he just exacerbates our current glut of bigs looking for minutes. SerRod would be a good back up point for the future, but we already have 2 back ups on the roster (one being payed starter money...Beno). Honestly, Salmons is worth more than 2 back ups and a first. I agree that he's not worth more than that to the Blazers, but he should be worth more than that to the Kings.

Outlaw is the reason for the deal. Not Frye and not SRod. Without Outlaw, no deal. We also need to be realistic as to Salmons value. Getting Sergio, Outlaw and a 1st is what I think we should be looking for. How do you know that Srod wont develop into a starter or Outlaw will blossom? I would be willing to take a chance rather than stay at status quo.

bdgking wrote:Sactown kings i dont think you have been reading very much then because there have been many articles written in reguards not to mention talk on the radio show as well !

it may not happen but the kings are talking as many deals involving salmons as they are on miller !

Well I read hoopshype and inside hoops and I listen to Grant and Mike neaarly everyday. You might be right but I have not read or seen any rumors only people that think we should trade Salmons. Could you please provide a link or two about these rumors. I have heard Grant say nobody is off limits as far as trades but still nothing specific about Salmons.

deNIEd wrote:Well, for me I feel Miller has to be traded this season, or his value will drop even more next year. Unless we don't plan on signing a FA in 2010, then trading Miller next year will pretty much either have to be for our "superstar player" or no trade at all. Miller's value is greatest now, and by summer, it'll be similar to the value of a Wally Z.

Now, if Miller is gone, we are 5-6 million short of being in a position to possibly sign a big name FA this summer. Regardless if we plan on doing so or not, since we are so close, we might as well set ourselves up so it's a possibility. Because of that, either Salmons/Garcia/Beno would have to go. Beno I think is untradable since he is the worst starting PG in the league, and between Garcia and Salmons, I'd rather trade Salmons.

What big name free agent are you talking about? Boozer? That would be terrible if so? I am ok trading Salmons for nothing/expirings if it puts us in a position to get someone good, but even if we are in position to sign someone in 2009 there is nobody in my mind worth signing o a big time deal. So why be so hasty in getting rid of quality players, especially Salmons. And I disagree, Miller will have MORE value next year as an expiring contract.

SacKingZZZ wrote:

SacTown Kings wrote:What Salmon rumors are you talking about. Their was a vague article a couple weeks ago that a writer wrote the Kings might be looking to move Miller and Salmons. Yet I have not seen any other rumors that the Kings were trading Salmons. There has been many posters on the trade board making offers for Salmons, most of which are crap, but that is a big difference than rumors.

I don't think we need to trade Salmons until Green is ready to start which is not very soon IMO. Most posters want to trade their expiring contracts for Salmons which I think would be dumb for the Kings. The only way I can see the Kings trading Salmons for expirings is if Beno is included.

I don't want to trade Salmons at this point, our defense is so bad, imagine how bad it would be if Salmons were gone.

Broke is broke. Defensive woes don't always have to with personnel, at least ours don't. When you are this bad on defense it goes waaaaay beyond having "good" or "bad" defensive players.

So because broke is broke we should trade our players for nothing, even expirings don't do us much good unless we can sign someone and in 09 there is nobody really worth signing to a big time contract. What Gordon? Boozer? Marion? Yuck. I am not saying I want to hold onto Salmons soley because he is our best defensive player, I just don't think we need to trade him unless we have a replacement. Greene is 2 years away IMO and I like Garcia coming off the bench, plus his salary does not restrict us in anyway.

Sacramento_King wrote:

KingInExile wrote:Not necessary to insist on Outlaw when there is a potential that Green can develop into a similar player. As for the deal, it doesn't excite me all that much. The 09 pick (especially if it is an unprotected 1st) is the only real value I can see. Frye might be an OK back up PF in the future, but he just exacerbates our current glut of bigs looking for minutes. SerRod would be a good back up point for the future, but we already have 2 back ups on the roster (one being payed starter money...Beno). Honestly, Salmons is worth more than 2 back ups and a first. I agree that he's not worth more than that to the Blazers, but he should be worth more than that to the Kings.

Outlaw is the reason for the deal. Not Frye and not SRod. Without Outlaw, no deal. We also need to be realistic as to Salmons value. Getting Sergio, Outlaw and a 1st is what I think we should be looking for. How do you know that Srod wont develop into a starter or Outlaw will blossom? I would be willing to take a chance rather than stay at status quo.

Outlaw is a ice player. I could live with that deal for Salmons. I don't see Sergio as starting material and the #1 pick will most likely be in the high 20's, but Outlaw would at least be a good replacement for Salmons, however I don't know what these players salaries are like. If any are signed to long term salarys then forget it.

I would rather use Salmons as trade bait to get rid of Beno if possible. I don't think we should trade Salmons for expirings but if it gets rid of Beno then do it. Salmons and Beno and douby for Wally?

To Sactown kings i have mentioned this in a couple of past threads that i dont understand how to post links or paste others comments on here as some do as well as i dont understand how to use an avatar i had kie & ictm both at one time or another try to explain & help me in doing so but i could not figure it out ! I dont know why it might be easy but i just dont get it .
Not to give an excuse here but this is why i cant do a link etc. if you and other notice i have never used links,avatars,pasting comments etc. for those reasons alone i can just assure you i have heard the radio were it was discussed as well as seen it in the newspaper before .
Sorry i cant provide you what you want maybe someone else will be kind enough to do so !

Final though we very well may not part with Salmons this year what i do know is he is being discussed just as much as Brad is in deals if not more !
The kings no a few things her :

1. John is one of our best trade assets right now outside of k-mart i doubt we tade as well as our 1st & 2nd year players in wich i doubt we trade also .
2. John has an opt out after next season he will make 5.8 million roughly he will likely want about 9 - 10 million starting salary i dont think the kings want to pay that knowing they prefer donte green as their future small forward or possiblt garcia if he improve more offensively. If the kings wait until next season Johns stock goes a little down likely mainly because teams know he can just opt out on us or to them if he is traded ! Johns value is as high right now as its going to get for us because of this not to mention he has voiced recently his unhappiness not getting enough plays going through him !

Is he one of our best players right now ? IMO YES !
That said i believe this year or next is very likely his last season in Sacramento

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