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I did not quite know where to post this but I thought this bit of info could be revealing as to Petries plan because he has something up his sleeve!

The Sacramento Kings are still determined to trade center Brad Miller, but it looks more likely they’ll part with efficient and cost-effective scorer John Salmons before the deadline on Thursday.

The Kings would like the Knicks to include Nate Robinson with the expiring contract of Malik Rose, but an Eastern Conference executive said Tuesday, “[Mike] D’Antoni does not want to move Robinson.”

Miller is attractive to the Knicks because the final $12.2 million season left on his contract comes off the cap before the free-agent summer of 2010.

Sources say the Dallas Mavericks have offered Jerry Stackhouse for Salmons, and the San Antonio Spurs are willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Ime Ukoda for him. Both Stackhouse and Bowen have partial guarantees for next season – $2 million each – that are cost prohibitive to Sacramento. League executives say the Kings are looking for a straight expiring deal for Salmons.

Salmons for pure expirings must meanhe is looking at a free agent in the 2009 offseason... as well as the extra cash from E.T.

What do you think this says about his plan?

bflewis wrote:I did not quite know where to post this but I thought this bit of info could be revealing as to Petries plan because he has something up his sleeve!

The Sacramento Kings are still determined to trade center Brad Miller, but it looks more likely they’ll part with efficient and cost-effective scorer John Salmons before the deadline on Thursday.

The Kings would like the Knicks to include Nate Robinson with the expiring contract of Malik Rose, but an Eastern Conference executive said Tuesday, “[Mike] D’Antoni does not want to move Robinson.”

Miller is attractive to the Knicks because the final $12.2 million season left on his contract comes off the cap before the free-agent summer of 2010.

Sources say the Dallas Mavericks have offered Jerry Stackhouse for Salmons, and the San Antonio Spurs are willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Ime Ukoda for him. Both Stackhouse and Bowen have partial guarantees for next season – $2 million each – that are cost prohibitive to Sacramento. League executives say the Kings are looking for a straight expiring deal for Salmons.

Salmons for pure expirings must meanhe is looking at a free agent in the 2009 offseason... as well as the extra cash from E.T.

What do you think this says about his plan?

Source?

I was looking at the numbers and if we move Salmons and Moore + SAR coming off the books + Douby/Williams/Jackson expiring our cap # will be at or around $42 according to hoopshype.com

Damn... we can't ditch Miller and all we get for Salmons is straight up EXP?

That would kind of suck to move Salmons for straight expirings, especially if it doesn't net any significant cap space this year.

Salmons is the only guy playing well and is cheap. If they trade him for expiring contracts they are nuts.

ICMTM wrote:I was looking at the numbers and if we move Salmons and Moore + SAR coming off the books + Douby/Williams/Jackson expiring our cap # will be at or around $42 according to hoopshype.com

They're not adding Shelden and Douby's salary--they are essentally already at zero. So with those circumstances, along with factoring in the cost of our draft picks this year, we'll actually be around $56million, which is useless for us. It's a bit clearer on shamsports because they already have Shelden and Douby off the books for next year, which is more accurate.

at this point who knows what petries plan is...

^Make the team as terrible as possible.

That is not true. Beno and Mikki were only signed to run the triangle not the Princeton. We will be replacing our other most pressing need a guy who can run the Princeton and finish the game for us (like Bibby) since we cannot win close games (watch Jeff Teague sometime- he will be the target). This is the final need for us. Noc makes us tougher in the interior defense like Artest. JT is a very good rebounder but Hawes is only an ok rebounder so Noc is very needed. We also needed a vet big
somewhere to keep the young guys in line and show them how to not give up freebies.
Simmons could be tougher than Hawes or at worst a backup C they had similar stats in college. Petrie knows you have to be balanced between offense and defense to be a playoff contender since he has the 2nd most playoff appearances of any GM. There is also a possiblity that Ben Gordon will be available to be the PG since the Bulls brought in Salmons for offense and we could trade the #1 for him. I don't know what kind of closer he is but it would cost a lot more than a great college player.

cdt3 wrote:That is not true. Beno and Mikki were only signed to run the triangle not the Princeton. We will be replacing our other most pressing need a guy who can run the Princeton and finish the game for us (like Bibby) since we cannot win close games (watch Jeff Teague sometime- he will be the target). This is the final need for us. Noc makes us tougher in the interior defense like Artest. JT is a very good rebounder but Hawes is only an ok rebounder so Noc is very needed. We also needed a vet big

Teague/Martin/Noc/Thompson/Hawes
That team won't even make it to the playoffs

cdt3 wrote:Petrie knows you have to be balanced between offense and defense to be a playoff contender since he has the 2nd most playoff appearances of any GM. There is also a possiblity that Ben Gordon will be available to be the PG since the Bulls brought in Salmons for offense and we could trade the #1 for him. I don't know what kind of closer he is but it would cost a lot more than a great college player.

Bullsh*t.
We have ZERO defense. He does have the 2nd most playoff appearances, but how many GM's are still with their team for this long of a period? How many other GM's manage to let the best team in the league slip to the worst in the matter of 5 years or so? All this "no one could have predicted Webber's injury" talk is complete crap. Webber alone didn't make us the top team in the league.

Add Ben Gordon and we are still going to be absolutely nothing.


Petrie has no plan.


I truly believe that "Sacramento" King's will never win a title ever. Our team is getting worse and worse, fans will stop supporting the team even more due to the horrible leadership. Maloofs want money and will leave.

You don't take into account the possible benefits, by trade or in the form of individual improvement, that the young guys bring.

SacKingZZZ wrote:You don't take into account the possible benefits, by trade or in the form of individual improvement, that the young guys bring.

This is probably the worst argument ever.
It's like saying, "oh, it sucks that that kid's parents were both killed, but you know what, it'll be good for him. He'll grow up and be stronger." Bullsh*t.

Lets make our team worse, both this year, and worse off in the future, just so two kids that have potential yet hasn't even shown that they can be legitimate starters playing time.

What was the amount? We save what, 2 million overall? IF YOU ONLY WANT TO SAVE TWO MILLION, BUY MILLER AND SALMONS OUT.

You're telling me, that we couldn't have gotten a straight up expiring for Salmons or Miller?


There is absolutely no benefits in this trade at all.

deNIEd wrote:This is probably the worst argument ever.
It's like saying, "oh, it sucks that that kid's parents were both killed, but you know what, it'll be good for him. He'll grow up and be stronger." Bullsh*t.

Lets make our team worse, both this year, and worse off in the future, just so two kids that have potential yet hasn't even shown that they can be legitimate starters playing time.

What was the amount? We save what, 2 million overall? IF YOU ONLY WANT TO SAVE TWO MILLION, BUY MILLER AND SALMONS OUT.

You're telling me, that we couldn't have gotten a straight up expiring for Salmons or Miller?


There is absolutely no benefits in this trade at all.

What your doing is acting like young players don't improve through the course of their career. Now that is bullsh*t. Very few players in their early 20's show if they are a "legit" starter or not. I happen to think both Hawes and Thompson have shown major signs that they will be. You have to open your mind a little bit, the reality today isn't necessarily tomorrow's reality. The fact is delaying the process of discovery and development was the worst thing that could happen, it's about finding out if these glimpses of something will be something to build around or not, and when you are the worst team in the league that is typically what you do.

SacKingZZZ wrote:What your doing is acting like young players don't improve through the course of their career. Now that is bullsh*t. Very few players in their early 20's show if they are a "legit" starter or not. I happen to think both Hawes and Thompson have shown major signs that they will be. You have to open your mind a little bit, the reality today isn't necessarily tomorrow's reality. The fact is delaying the process of discovery and development was the worst thing that could happen, it's about finding out if these glimpses of something will be something to build around or not, and when you are the worst team in the league that is typically what you do.

No, players do improve, but would you seriously bet your future on Thompson/Hawes? Would you really bet on Thompson/Hawes over Beasley. Over Rose. Over Durant/Westbrook. Over Love/Jefferson.


YOU DON'T HURT YOUR FUTURE JUST TO ALLOW THE PROCESS OF DISCOVERY TO HAPPEN

We are worse off today and worse off tomorrow. There is ABSOLUTELY NO POSITIVES AT ALL.

I mean, people in wheelchairs are absolutely ripped in their upper bodies, but it doesn't mean if you wanna build arm muscles to go cut your legs off.


How on earth, do you think we will ever come close to
Rose/Salmons/Deng/Thomas + '10 Max FA
Westbrook/Durant/Green/Chandler + '09 Top 7 Pick
Blake/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden/Webster/Outlaw
Foye/Brewer/Love/Jefferson + '09 Top 5 Pick
Law/Johnson/Williams/Smith/Horford
Lebron
Dwight
Kobe

We can't

Bottom line is we are the worst team in the league! You talk about betting on guys like Thompson/Hawes over Beasley and such, BUT IT'S ALL WE HAVE!!! And it ain't too bad IMO, Hawes is going to be legit, no doubt in my mind.

That you even make the comparison is ridiculous anyway, WE HAVE TO SUCK THIS BAD TO GET A TOP PICK! Duh, what the hell do you think we're doing right now??? You want Petrie to get a Durant with the 12th pick every year!? Give me a break.

deNIEd wrote:How many other GM's manage to let the best team in the league slip to the worst in the matter of 5 years or so?

Miami Heat

SacKingZZZ wrote:Bottom line is we are the worst team in the league! You talk about betting on guys like Thompson/Hawes over Beasley and such, BUT IT'S ALL WE HAVE!!! And it ain't too bad IMO, Hawes is going to be legit, no doubt in my mind.

That you even make the comparison is ridiculous anyway, WE HAVE TO SUCK THIS BAD TO GET A TOP PICK! Duh, what the hell do you think we're doing right now??? You want Petrie to get a Durant with the 12th pick every year!? Give me a break.

THEN WHY HURT THE FUTURE. We will suck more if you simply buy out Miller and Salmons.

We shouldn't worry about this trade hurting our ability to suck. That's ridiculous. And the motivation quite clearly has to do with cap space next year. So just buying Miller and Salmons out wouldn't have accomplished what the team was trying to do.

And I hate to tell you guys, we may have added a player in Nocioni that could be a solid part of whatever team we have in 2010. If we were to draft Griffin this year:

PG: Beno/Hou 1st?
SG: Martin/Garcia
SF: Nocioni/Greene
PF: Griffin/Thompson
C: Hawes/2nd rounder?

That's a pretty solid lineup if you ask me. The rebounding is there, the hustle, the shooting. Oh yeah, it could be a very good team in time IMO.