Trading up for Ty Lawson?

[Bac2Basics]

Assuming Sacramento ends up with the number 1 overall pick, they'd be fools to pass on Griffin by most every account.

The other player that I keep hearing about that I think would be an excellent guy to target would by Ty Lawson. However, most of the projections I see would suggest that Lawson would be gone before the Houston pick, unless they take a dip the rest of the season.

So, should Sacramento trade the Houston pick and our own 2nd round pick to try to move up to get to where we could get Lawson?

How high could Sacramento move up with Sacramento & our 2nd?
What teams might be open to trading down?

Is Lawson the best guy that Sacramento could target by making this move?

(I didn't put this in the other draft thread because that one says lottery and by most accounts Lawson wouldn't be a lotto pick and also Kings probably aren't going to get into the lottery with the Houston pick and Sacramento's 2nd)

[Smills91]

Eh, he may very well be there at 22-24 range. And if not, I think he's a marginal improvement over guys like Maynor, Collison, Price maybe even Holliday or Evans falls that far.

[murray]

Eh, he may very well be there at 22-24 range. And if not, I think he's a marginal improvement over guys like Maynor, Collison, Price maybe even Holliday or Evans falls that far.

Marginal if any. I think if you switch Maynor and Lawson schools, Maynor becomes a top 10 pick. No on Collison, he is too small to play against big point guards. I would say wait and see what falls to us with the houston pick, or trade up to go after teague (11-18) if anyone.

[SacKingZZZ]

He might already be there but I don't think it would be worth trading up to get him if it costs us our 2nd on top of the Rockets pick. Now Geoff is probably the suckiest GM 9 times out of 10 when picking in the 2nd round but with a 2nd rounder that high there's no excuse to not get anyone decent. I'd like to see Petrie get a guy like Jeff Adrien with that 2nd rounder. Or maybe one of the guys that drops out of the 1st, because there will be somebody quite talented at that pick I bet.

[NATHANBIBBY]

Trading up for Al Farouq Aminu?

I like it

[OhioKingsFan]

If the Kings could use those picks to trade up to get Collison, Maynor or Holiday I'd say do it. At the same time, if the Kings get a guard with their first pick, I'd be very happy if they ended up with Tyler Hansbrough with the HOU pick.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Heck no to Hansbrough. There are SO many people I'd rather have.

[perezident]

were're getting the #2 pick book it. This going to be the first time were're going to recieve 2 PG's at draft night. Rubio and another. However, I dnt think we should trade up for Ty. We have three wonderful picks. With Hou's pick, were're going in either 2 directions -- trade it for a guy named Acie Law or draft a Center/PF. If the Law trade doesnt go through we draft a C., then sell the #31 for cash

[dozencousins]

Trading up for lawson would not be worth it IMO i would trade up for Rubio,Jennings or Curry

Though i believe the price for Rubio would be to steep so i would look at Jennings & S.Curry more besides i dont think Rubio will declare !

[SacKingZZZ]

were're getting the #2 pick book it. This going to be the first time were're going to recieve 2 PG's at draft night. Rubio and another. However, I dnt think we should trade up for Ty. We have three wonderful picks. With Hou's pick, were're going in either 2 directions -- trade it for a guy named Acie Law or draft a Center/PF. If the Law trade doesnt go through we draft a C., then sell the #31 for cash

That would suck. There are too many talented SF's and PF's in this draft to take two PG's, especially with Beno here long term and playing a lot better since the trades.

My turn, we're going to draft James Harden and people will bitch and moan about how we have Kevin and Cisco, blah, blah, blah, but in the end it'll be just fine. Book it.

[bflewis]

so what's the news on Rubio? is he declaring?
#1 Draft Griffin
Trade JT and Beno and #23 to IND for Tinsley and #12
#12 Draft Teague
#31 Draft Earl Clark
Sign Millsap wit FA money + look at this team...

Teague/Tinsley
K-Mart/Cisco
Noc/Clark/Greene
Griffin/Millsap
Hawes

[murray]

so what's the news on Rubio? is he declaring?
#1 Draft Griffin
Trade JT and Beno and #23 to IND for Tinsley and #12
#12 Draft Teague
#31 Draft Earl Clark
Sign Millsap wit FA money + look at this team...

Teague/Tinsley
K-Mart/Cisco
Noc/Clark/Greene
Griffin/Millsap
Hawes

Good thinking but:
1. Doubt Clark falls that far.
2. I would rather spend money on a more glaring need at sf than PF (milsap)
3. Package Noc for expiring before it is too late.

So after my draft we look like this.

pg. Teague/Tinsley
sg. Martin/ Garcia
sf. Marvin Williams/ Greene
pf. Griffin/ Greene/ Jerome James
c. Hawes/ Jerome James

And own the rights to Omri Casspi after the 2nd round pick.

[cdt3]

I like Lawson he is a winnerand I want to see how he plays in a close game. I am the same size and had the same heart but I would wait until we see how he can play when he is behind. The problem with drafting PG who play in power programs is they rarely play in tough close games everynight like you do in the pro's and aren't really tested nightly. Smaller programs have to play in those close grind them out games and their PG's are usually more mentally tough. We need someone Mike Bibby tough and he was never explosive but had a great first step. I do not knock Lawson he will be a great pro pickup somewhere I just don't think he is a late tough closer (we already have a bench full of those guys) game closer like we need. I will give the guy a couple more games to show he can battle but we'll see.

We have to have someone who can hit big free throws. Scottie Reynolds has been Chauncey Billups like. Johnny Flynn wow. I still think we should go after a guy like Teague who is only a Soph and his mental toughness is improving. It would help him to come back but I would take him for our system. Eric Maynor was tough and has a great floater he learned with that shot blocking monster he played with who blocked 3 UCLA shots down the stretch. He is not afraid to take a big shot and won't travel in the clutch.

Collison is really underrated and went to the tourney 4 times (3 in the final 4) and blocked Maynor's shot in the big showdown. Collison was the heart and soul of UCLA and was basically on his own this year after Kevin Love left. I think Collison is way underrated for his potential. His best numbers for his in his four years at UCLA was 15/6 (50% FG 90% FT 53% 3PT) with 3 final 4 trips in his 4 years. I am a hugh TJ Ford (15/5 this year) fan but he has been clutch but injury prone where Collison has not. I think he will be available late. I will research him more but is a guy would love to have here. TJ Ford was drafted #8 and we don't have to deal with several years of shakiness like with a young PG if we get later than the #1.

We only have a 25% chance of getting Griffin.

[bflewis]

so what's the news on Rubio? is he declaring?
#1 Draft Griffin
Trade JT and Beno and #23 to IND for Tinsley and #12
#12 Draft Teague
#31 Draft Earl Clark
Sign Millsap wit FA money + look at this team...

Teague/Tinsley
K-Mart/Cisco
Noc/Clark/Greene
Griffin/Millsap
Hawes

Good thinking but:
1. Doubt Clark falls that far.
2. I would rather spend money on a more glaring need at sf than PF (milsap)
3. Package Noc for expiring before it is too late.

So after my draft we look like this.

pg. Teague/Tinsley
sg. Martin/ Garcia
sf. Marvin Williams/ Greene
pf. Griffin/ Greene/ Jerome James
c. Hawes/ Jerome James

And own the rights to Omri Casspi after the 2nd round pick.

Okay I like the Marvin Williams pick up instead of Millsap... But if we get rid of Noc, I'd like 2 keep JT for the hustle + heart. I know Clark prolly wont fall that far but the likley hood of petrie moving up in the draft and getting tinsley isnt likely either. I like the Caspi deal also, but I'd like someone other than jerome james.

Teague/Tinsley
Martin/Garcia
Marvin/Greene/Caspi
Griffin/Thompson
Hawes/Thompson

[perezident]

were're getting the #2 pick book it. This going to be the first time were're going to recieve 2 PG's at draft night. Rubio and another. However, I dnt think we should trade up for Ty. We have three wonderful picks. With Hou's pick, were're going in either 2 directions -- trade it for a guy named Acie Law or draft a Center/PF. If the Law trade doesnt go through we draft a C., then sell the #31 for cash

That would suck. There are too many talented SF's and PF's in this draft to take two PG's, especially with Beno here long term and playing a lot better since the trades.

My turn, we're going to draft James Harden and people will bitch and moan about how we have Kevin and Cisco, blah, blah, blah, but in the end it'll be just fine. Book it.

And i think imma be one of those ones bitching lol That guy wont have time to grow here if Kevin still is here. And their's nooo way we draft Harden over Rubio!!! at #2

[SacTown Kings]

so what's the news on Rubio? is he declaring?
#1 Draft Griffin
Trade JT and Beno and #23 to IND for Tinsley and #12
#12 Draft Teague
#31 Draft Earl Clark
Sign Millsap wit FA money + look at this team...

Teague/Tinsley
K-Mart/Cisco
Noc/Clark/Greene
Griffin/Millsap
Hawes

What free agent money are you talking about? We will not have free agent money. I don't know why people keep making posts about signing these free agents because it's not gonna happen. Trading for Noc ruined any chance we had at signing a free agent worth more than the MLE.

[pillwenney]

so what's the news on Rubio? is he declaring?
#1 Draft Griffin
Trade JT and Beno and #23 to IND for Tinsley and #12
#12 Draft Teague
#31 Draft Earl Clark
Sign Millsap wit FA money + look at this team...

Teague/Tinsley
K-Mart/Cisco
Noc/Clark/Greene
Griffin/Millsap
Hawes

What free agent money are you talking about? We will not have free agent money. I don't know why people keep making posts about signing these free agents because it's not gonna happen. Trading for Noc ruined any chance we had at signing a free agent worth more than the MLE.

Woah. That's completely untrue. Trading for Noc is the only reason we have any cap space at all.

[SacTown Kings]

^^ It's not completely untrue. What I meant or should of said was trading Miller and Salmons for Gooden and Nocioni does nothing to help us sign a free agent in 2010, so again I am not sure what cap space you are talking about. I have posted on here many times our salaries and we will not have any money to go after anyone. Whereas if we traded Salmons and Miller for expirings then we WOULD have money to go after someone. You can say there were not any offers of all expirings for those two but rumors would state otherwise. I just think Petrie really likes Nocioni and wanted him over expirings. So in short you are wrong it is not completely untrue because I beleive we could of traded Salmons and Miller for expirings and had money to play with but getting Noc in return ruined any chance of that happening.

Ok so I double checked. We will be at 45 million, add another 5 to 6 million for our draft picks now we are at 50-51 million. And this is not counting giving Cants the QO which would be another 3.6 million bring us to 54 million. So ok you are right to an extent. We will be under the cap but not nearly enough to do anything except maybe absorb some salary in a trade. Even if we let Cants go we still would not have much to go after someone.

[pillwenney]

^^ It's not completely untrue. What I meant or should of said was trading Miller and Salmons for Gooden and Nocioni does nothing to help us sign a free agent in 2010, so again I am not sure what cap space you are talking about. I have posted on here many times our salaries and we will not have any money to go after anyone. Whereas if we traded Salmons and Miller for expirings then we WOULD have money to go after someone. You can say there were not any offers of all expirings for those two but rumors would state otherwise. I just think Petrie really likes Nocioni and wanted him over expirings. So in short you are wrong it is not completely untrue because I beleive we could of traded Salmons and Miller for expirings and had money to play with but getting Noc in return ruined any chance of that happening.

Ok so I double checked. We will be at 45 million, add another 5 to 6 million for our draft picks now we are at 50-51 million. And this is not counting giving Cants the QO which would be another 3.6 million bring us to 54 million. So ok you are right to an extent. We will be under the cap but not nearly enough to do anything except maybe absorb some salary in a trade. Even if we let Cants go we still would not have much to go after someone.

I'm saying that with regards to FAs this year, the Nocioni trade only made us much more flexible. Next year, it added about 1.7mil onto our cap. But my point was that the trade only helped our flexibility this summer.

And what rumors exactly would state otherwise? Every single thing at the time seemed to indicate that every deal had us taking back a Marcus Banks, or at least some kind of contract like that. Straight expirings never appeared to be an option around this deadline.

And again, I'm not saying that we'll have a ton of money this summer, just that to say that the Nocioni trade hurt that or "ruined any chance we had at signing a free agent worth more than the MLE" is factually incorrect.

[RIPskaterdude]

^^ It's not completely untrue. What I meant or should of said was trading Miller and Salmons for Gooden and Nocioni does nothing to help us sign a free agent in 2010, so again I am not sure what cap space you are talking about. I have posted on here many times our salaries and we will not have any money to go after anyone. Whereas if we traded Salmons and Miller for expirings then we WOULD have money to go after someone. You can say there were not any offers of all expirings for those two but rumors would state otherwise. I just think Petrie really likes Nocioni and wanted him over expirings. So in short you are wrong it is not completely untrue because I beleive we could of traded Salmons and Miller for expirings and had money to play with but getting Noc in return ruined any chance of that happening.

Ok so I double checked. We will be at 45 million, add another 5 to 6 million for our draft picks now we are at 50-51 million. And this is not counting giving Cants the QO which would be another 3.6 million bring us to 54 million. So ok you are right to an extent. We will be under the cap but not nearly enough to do anything except maybe absorb some salary in a trade. Even if we let Cants go we still would not have much to go after someone.

I'm saying that with regards to FAs this year, the Nocioni trade only made us much more flexible. Next year, it added about 1.7mil onto our cap. But my point was that the trade only helped our flexibility this summer.

And what rumors exactly would state otherwise? Every single thing at the time seemed to indicate that every deal had us taking back a Marcus Banks, or at least some kind of contract like that. Straight expirings never appeared to be an option around this deadline.

And again, I'm not saying that we'll have a ton of money this summer, just that to say that the Nocioni trade hurt that or "ruined any chance we had at signing a free agent worth more than the MLE" is factually incorrect.

We had the chance to trade Nocioni for expirings/2010 expirings twice, according to a few sources I've seen.