Griz/Sac Tradez:Best Case Scenario

JayCarlock · Post #1 » by **JayCarlock** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 12:52 am

True Griz fan here, so check this out. I know you guys are in desparate need of a Point Guard, and we need a true low post scorer to go next to Marc Gasol. So here is my proposal:

Grizzlies Trade:
# 2 First Rd. Pick
Darrell Arthur
#36 2nd Rd. Pick
Future 2nd Rounder

Sacramento Trade:
#4 First Rd. Pick
Jason Thompson
#23 First Rd. Pick

I was thinking of including Marko Jaric (Grizzlies with 2 yrs remaining) and Andreis Nocioni (Kings with 3 yrs. remaining), but I wasn"t sure if u guys were interested. But I truly believe this would benefit both teams, Sacramento would address a need at the Point and get a potential All-Star in Ricky Rubio! And my Grizz would get great depth by getting Thompson and Tyreke Evans at #4. Just wanted some feed back, so let"s hear it!!!

perezident · Post #2 » by **perezident** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:04 am

firstly...welcome to rgm! Secondly NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Kings will never trade JT for Rubio unless Gasol was comin in return too! Its been widely discussed now that we as kings fans are not sold on the idea of trading JT neither Hawes for Rubes

aenadin · Post #3 » by **aenadin** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:33 am

4th and donte greene plus future first round (TOP 10 protected)

for

2nd

would do just fine...

wd707 · Post #4 » by **wd707** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:45 am

Read this article it should sum up the kings view point and what the griz should be looking for. This is from hoopshype.com
Rubio And The Kings?: It seems the Kings might end up with their man after all, word is the Kings are working on a deal with Memphis to land Ricky Rubio at #2, league sources say a lot is still up in the air and a deal is far from done, but should the two teams make a deal it is not going to include Jason Thompson as some have speculated. Any deal between the Kings and Grizzlies might include future draft picks but unlikely will include a roster player of subtsance. League sources contend that Memphis really does not have a lot of leverage in this situation as Rubio will not play for the Grizzlies. The Kings are willing to deal for Rubio and unless Oklahoma City gets in the mix, moving down to #4 still fits Memphis' game plan. The Kings are preparing a contingent plan that could include grabbing Jordan Hill at #4, which would be a solid "win-now" move if the Grizzlies hold out for more compensation. League sources say if the Grizzlies move down to #4, Tyreke Evans would be their man on draft night, which makes sense, considering Evans can play both point guard and shooting guard, backing up OJ Mayo and Mike Conley and would be immensely popular with the Memphis fan base.

10B10 · Post #5 » by **10B10** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:51 am

The idea of trading JT AND the #4 pick for Rubio has been discussed at length in a few other threads on this board. Take a look at some of them for some more insight. And, once more, it just doesn't make sense from the Kings point of view.

Smills91 · Post #6 » by **Smills91** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 3:52 am

I doubt you get #4 AND #23 for #2...let alone THomspson. This is OUTRAGEOUS.

1) Memphis has no leverage with Rubio
2) This is a PG rich draft
3) This trade is GROSSLY overpaying for a two pick swap.

Go look at some past drafts and get a grip on what it takes to make a 2/4 swap(I.e. Tyrus Thomas for LaMarcus Aldridge is a prime example).

Post #7 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:28 am

Stopped reading when I skimmed down and saw Thompson involved just to get the #2. Sorry...there are enough quality point guards available at #4 to make the ideal of the Kings giving up a good piece for the future just to move up 2 slots.

Post #8 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:45 am

I would probably give up Jason for Rubio--but definitely not Jason and the #4 pick.

Post #9 » by **KF10** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:56 am

The initial proposal of JT + #4 principle is a high cost to pay in a draft. Weak draft or not. (And I don't think it is a weak draft. I know I'm going to get some eyebrows raised but I think this draft would be very good when it is all said and done. The whole "weak" draft is completely overblown by the media and most people).

But I would part away JT and *stuff* for Rubio and *stuff* though.

cdt3 · Post #10 » by **cdt3** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:26 am

Geoff Petrie is pinning his team on Thompson, who Petrie climbed on a huge limb for and was laughed at by all the expert (and Petrie loves to rub his teams success to the experts) because Thompson is a ferious competitior and is the centerpiece. Hawes, Martin, Greene, Noc, Garcia, and Beno are the role players.

Because of the solid core the biggest gamble for Rubio will give up # 4, next years #1, and take back Jaric. In my opinion this is a great call by Petrie, the Theus led Beno-Martin-Artest-Miller-Moore team nearly made the playoffs and this team led by a solid coach with Rubio-Martin-Noc-JT-Hawes is a good enough team to be in the middle of the pack next year.

We have no reason to bend any farther there since if we do there are just a hair less PGs than Rubio or other positions who have star written on them. This core needs a PG who can be a clutch leader, if we can get any one of the Evans or Flynn or Curry or Holiday this is a tough and complete up and coming team.

The untouchable list for the Kings is 1. JT 2. Hawes 3. Greene 4. Martin

deNIEd · Post #11 » by **deNIEd** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:43 am

cdt3 wrote:The untouchable list for the Kings is 1. JT 2. Hawes 3. Greene 4. Martin

Homer

deNIEd · Post #12 » by **deNIEd** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:45 am

cdt3 wrote:In my opinion this is a great call by Petrie, the Theus led Beno-Martin-Artest-Miller-Moore team nearly made the playoffs and this team led by a solid coach with Rubio-Martin-Noc-JT-Hawes is a good enough team to be in the middle of the pack next year.

An even bigger homer

Chi Dynasty12 · Post #13 » by **Chi Dynasty12** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 6:21 am

JT and Hawes aren't going anywhere.

darkadun · Post #14 » by **darkadun** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:25 pm

JT and Hawes are the closest things to untouchables, with Martin being close.

However, unless your a Superstar (ala Kobe, Howard, Lebron etc..) you cant really claim to be untouchable. Given the right trade, anyone on the kings can be traded. But Petrie is not going to give away those three players right now.

hard49 · Post #15 » by **hard49** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:51 pm

Why do Kings' fans think JT and Hawes are building blocks?

I seriously have maintained that JT/#4was not enough to give up Rubio.

Post #16 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:59 pm

hard49 wrote:Why do Kings' fans think JT and Hawes are building blocks?

I seriously have maintained that JT/#4was not enough to give up Rubio.

Then you are over-valuing Rubio. The fact is that he's not so much better than many of the other PGs in the draft that he's worth giving up a very solid 2nd year PF just to move up 2 spots to get him. If the Griz take Rubio at 2, fine...Kings have their choice of some very talented PGs at 4 and still have JT.

Smills91 · Post #17 » by **Smills91** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:44 pm

hard49 wrote:Why do Kings' fans think JT and Hawes are building blocks?

I seriously have maintained that JT/#4was not enough to give up Rubio.

Because we ACTUALLY WATCHED them play basketball this season, unlike many ignoramuses, yourself included, that haven't.

King Baller · Post #18 » by **King Baller** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 6:39 pm

hard49 wrote:Why do Kings' fans think JT and Hawes are building blocks?

I seriously have maintained that JT/#4was not enough to give up Rubio.

See the thing is, there no reason to trade Martin, JT or Hawes away. Those guys are the Kings starting players at the 2, 4 and 5 spots. There will be several talented players available at #4 for Petrie to choose from. Its not like its Rubio or no PG. AND Petrie may decide to go BPA and the pick won't even be a PG :lol:

KB

dj3ptkilla · Post #19 » by **dj3ptkilla** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 6:50 pm

I think some people on this board thinks Rubio is god and it's Rubio or bust. There's so many different things Petrie can do with our picks. He could go Derozan and trade up with the 23 and 31 to get Flynn or another Pg. He could go PG not named Rubio. Harden there's so many possibilities Rubio will not make or break this draft. If we get him so be it if not. I'm certainly not going to cry he's not a sure thing.

Smills91 · Post #20 » by **Smills91** » Sun Jun 7, 2009 6:58 pm

dj3ptkilla wrote:I think some people on this board thinks Rubio is god and it's Rubio or bust. There's so many different things Petrie can do with our picks. He could go Derozan and trade up with the 23 and 31 to get Flynn or another Pg. He could go PG not named Rubio. Harden there's so many possibilities Rubio will not make or break this draft. If we get him so be it if not. I'm certainly not going to cry he's not a sure thing.

Exactly. However, I do think he's the best player for our roster in terms of basketball and economics. If we land him GREAT, but this is a pretty good draft to fill our needs with. Take the BPA's and with a #4 pick, you may just get lucky and find a gem.