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Jun 25, 2009 10:59 PM EST
Ricky Rubio's father gave an interview after the draft stating that his son is now likely to stay in Europe for one or two years, rather than signing in Minnesota.

Yahoo! reports that a trade between the Knicks and Wolves to send Rubio to New York is likely. But later reports suggest that the Wolves are so far stating that they'll retain their rights to the Spanish point guard.

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Anybody STILL think we shoulda gotten Rubio?

I'm certain if the Kings chose Rubio, he would be playing this year.. But T'Wolves chose him and if he doesnt feel like playing there for free, then that is his chose.

It's time to stop the 'Petrie is a genius' thing. It's ridiculous after years of questionable moves.

i think when the kings staff took a look at rubios contract it really made them lean towards evans...

i mean i read somewhere that rubio will have to go to court hearings or something and will miss an entire training camp if that is the case.. you cant have your head point guard doing that...

if minnesota decides to hold on to his rights while he plays in spain, its going to be nice to wait on him on the fly then sign him when it expires..

i mean treat sergio rodriguez fine.. so he can say to rubio "sacramento is cool"

zar wrote:It's time to stop the 'Petrie is a genius' thing. It's ridiculous after years of questionable moves.

He's a good GM, that built a championship caliber roster from Scrath + MItch Richmond. That's really all he had to work with.

The TEAR DOWN, whether naturally, through injuries or Maloof insistence on 'rebuild on the fly' were a part of a LOT of the 'questionable' moves. These 'type' of moves aren't made towards 'building' for a championship.

Now that we're finally in the full REBUILD mode, I think petrie just drafted the ROY in Evans(best talent, with best 'opportunity to play from this draft class), got another all-rookie pick in casspi(this guy will be a steal IMO), and found a nice serviceable role player to help with our frontline depth and rebounding.

Factor in the improvements of both Hawes and Thompson and the Kings are close. I still think we're lottery team next year(LATE LOTTERY), and one more trip to the lotto(with maybe some added LUCK next year) and we'll be back to being a playoff team by 2010-11 IMO.

I generally agree with everything you said Smills. It is gonna be awhile before were back in the playoffs but I certainly believe in this core that we have now, as well as Petrie going forward. I still believe he is a top 5 GM in the league just be glad we don't have Rob Babcock as our GM....the things he did to the raptors...

I look for the Kings to finish near the bottom of the west and finish in the Mid to late lottery next year, add a player, possibly trade the pick...who knows...2010-2011 i see the Kings knocking on the Playoff door, to me personally its gonna rely heavily on how Westphal works out and if he's kept around for longer than one season, stability with our coaching is something we haven't had for a little while yet...

“Ahora no descarto para nada volver a España. Yo no hablé con ellos, por lo tanto no tengo la necesidad de venir. El equipo me ha dicho que me esperaría un año y vamos a ver si vengo el año que viene o no. En caso de volver a Europa por supuesto que será en Badalona. Como he dicho siempre, mi casa es Badalona y, si tengo que volver, muchas opciones las tiene Badalona.

La NBA es muy atractiva, pero si tú no quieres estar en el equipo que hay por el momento, pues puedes esperar. Ahora el trabajo es de los agentes, Minnesota no es una mala idea.

A pesar de no ser una de mis ciudades favoritas no dejan de ser un equipo de la NBA y eso es lo máximo. Eso sí, es sorprendente que, además de mí, escojan a otro base, pero vamos a ver qué quieren ellos y lo que pasa. La verdad es que los Kings de Sacramento me querían mucho y me hice esa idea”

Ricky Rubio

Translation (relevant part for the thread): Timberwolves was not one of my 1st options but it is an NBA team and that is great. However, I am surprised that they picked another pg....

And

The truth is Kings really wanted me and i pictured myself playing for them.


You can say Petrie is a genius but i think he screwed big time. Rubio was the man they needed. Instead, they went for a sg that could be a pg someday and has a bad background.

Petrie made the capital mistake.. .he passed on the next big playmaker in basketball.. he will regret it

Just like Petrie made the mistake of drafting Kevin Martin #26, at the time nobody thought nothing much of it. Then last year selecting Jason Thompson #12...people were saying "oh Petrie made a mistake" then too. Every year Petrie quote-unquote "makes mistakes". Nobody can really say Rubio will be the next big playmaker in the NBA. I can talk Ty Evans up just as much as somebody talks him down, but only time will tell. If we drafted Rubio, it would have been a long year that's all I got to say. Between the legal issues he's dealing with, his lack of ability to speak fluid English, the fact he would have been a target on the court every night, and then the questionable job security I'm sure our new coach will eventaully face sooner rather than later, things would have been too much for him to overcome at 18 years of age.

rwheeler wrote:Just like Petrie made the mistake of drafting Kevin Martin #26, at the time nobody thought nothing much of it. Then last year selecting Jason Thompson #12...people were saying "oh Petrie made a mistake" then too. Every year Petrie quote-unquote "makes mistakes". Nobody can really say Rubio will be the next big playmaker in the NBA. I can talk Ty Evans up just as much as somebody talks him down, but only time will tell. If we drafted Rubio, it would have been a long year that's all I got to say. Between the legal issues he's dealing with, his lack of ability to speak fluid English, the fact he would have been a target on the court every night, and then the questionable job security I'm sure our new coach will eventaully face sooner rather than later, things would have been too much for him to overcome at 18 years of age.

you are talking about a kid that has been professional since he was 14. He was the player with most experience in the draft.

MagnusPinus wrote:Petrie made the capital mistake.. .he passed on the next big playmaker in basketball.. he will regret it

I seem to remember a similar post last year when the Kings took Thompson over a lot of guys...and the year before when they took Hawes...and several years ago when Petrie took this unknown guy named Peja. Fact is, most of Petrie's picks get questioned because they go against the conventional wisdom of pundits and casual fans. However he typically ends up proving that his choices turn out right for the team, the right fit for the system and players around them. I thought the idea of drafting was to build a team, not to take the guy "conventional wisdom" says is the best player.

How many years had Darko been playing professionally before he was picked by the Pistons?

wiltchamberlain wrote:How many years had Darko been playing professionally before he was picked by the Pistons?

Darko has nothing to do with Rubio. The ACB league is actually competitive. Spanish players that come to the nba are usually prepared for the challenge.

I can see Evans turning into a big time scorer.. maybe even a 20 points guy...that's why they took him.. he is the prototype of the modern Nba star, whose stats are outstanding, but wins in the playoffs are not.. He is just another Baron Davis, or those type of big time scorers..
Rubio could be a revolutionary of the game.. a guy who makes everyone better for real, and who plays defense.. Petrie was scared by his so so shooting, his frail frame... but he lost his head.. u just gonna lose more games with Evans putting incredible stats for his own good.. Rubio would have come just to win and playing basketball.. Horrid choice.

Marc wrote:

rwheeler wrote:Just like Petrie made the mistake of drafting Kevin Martin #26, at the time nobody thought nothing much of it. Then last year selecting Jason Thompson #12...people were saying "oh Petrie made a mistake" then too. Every year Petrie quote-unquote "makes mistakes". Nobody can really say Rubio will be the next big playmaker in the NBA. I can talk Ty Evans up just as much as somebody talks him down, but only time will tell. If we drafted Rubio, it would have been a long year that's all I got to say. Between the legal issues he's dealing with, his lack of ability to speak fluid English, the fact he would have been a target on the court every night, and then the questionable job security I'm sure our new coach will eventaully face sooner rather than later, things would have been too much for him to overcome at 18 years of age.

you are talking about a kid that has been professional since he was 14. He was the player with most experience in the draft.

Ok so what your telling me is basically Rubio has only been playing 4 years and he was the most experienced in the draft? IMO just because he played overseas and in the Olympics doesn't make him a better player than others. Sure he got once in a lifetime experiences, but this is how I feel Rubio got overhyped...

rwheeler wrote:

Marc wrote:

rwheeler wrote:Just like Petrie made the mistake of drafting Kevin Martin #26, at the time nobody thought nothing much of it. Then last year selecting Jason Thompson #12...people were saying "oh Petrie made a mistake" then too. Every year Petrie quote-unquote "makes mistakes". Nobody can really say Rubio will be the next big playmaker in the NBA. I can talk Ty Evans up just as much as somebody talks him down, but only time will tell. If we drafted Rubio, it would have been a long year that's all I got to say. Between the legal issues he's dealing with, his lack of ability to speak fluid English, the fact he would have been a target on the court every night, and then the questionable job security I'm sure our new coach will eventaully face sooner rather than later, things would have been too much for him to overcome at 18 years of age.

you are talking about a kid that has been professional since he was 14. He was the player with most experience in the draft.

Ok so what your telling me is basically Rubio has only been playing 4 years and he was the most experienced in the draft? IMO just because he played overseas and in the Olympics doesn't make him a better player than others. Sure he got once in a lifetime experiences, but this is how I feel Rubio got overhyped...

I don´t think he is better based on his experience. You said he could not handle the pressure and i i think that is not the case because of his experience.

rwheeler wrote:Just like Petrie made the mistake of drafting Kevin Martin #26, at the time nobody thought nothing much of it. Then last year selecting Jason Thompson #12...people were saying "oh Petrie made a mistake" then too. Every year Petrie quote-unquote "makes mistakes". Nobody can really say Rubio will be the next big playmaker in the NBA. I can talk Ty Evans up just as much as somebody talks him down, but only time will tell. If we drafted Rubio, it would have been a long year that's all I got to say. Between the legal issues he's dealing with, his lack of ability to speak fluid English, the fact he would have been a target on the court every night, and then the questionable job security I'm sure our new coach will eventaully face sooner rather than later, things would have been too much for him to overcome at 18 years of age.

At 26 you can't really make mistakes. There was no one that people really cared about over KMart and no one that wanted anyone else.

Thompson was a good pick, but he wasn't and the best player that was avaliable and most likely won't end up the best player either from 12+.

The issue is that we have no playmaker. Evans isn't that guy.

It's like who would you rather have on your team, Arenas or Nash. One is by far the better individual player, but one is the best player for a team.

Sounds more like Rubio's camp is not intrigued by the situation in Minni. i think if he was drafted (or traded) to a team like sac or NY, we would not be hearing comments like what we are hearing from Rubio and his dad.

I have great respect for Petrie, and i agree with previous posts on on other threads that he has shown the ability to pick valuable players relative to their position. Sure he's reached at times (J-will instead of Paul Pierce, Douby instead of Rondo), but it's tough to argue with Peja, Hedo, Wallace (even if they never played him), Thompson, Hawes, Garcia, and Martin. Especially when you consider most of these picks are out of the lottery.

BUT, I think Petrie missed some opportunities by not drafting Rubio. I personally think Rubio was a better fit for our team on numerous levels. He is a player who wud rather set up his teammates, and appears to do so with flair and precision. He would have given our team national/international exposure. Ticket sales and Kings merchandise all improved dramatically with this kid. Sure he has holes in his game (shooting being the main problem), but he's 18, can improve on the j, and has been holding his own against arguably the 2nd best professional basketball league in the world...for 4 years...that is saying a lot for such a young person.

now we can all disagree about whether Evans or Rubio was the right pick, and I certainly can appreciate the valid points from the pro Evans camp. He's strong, tough, good penetrator, long wingspan, able to make plays for others or himself, rebounds well, and isnt afraid to take the big shot. Also he has the versatility to play 3 positions (altho not sure about guarding the 1 b/c of allegedly horrible lateral quickness) and is physically ready to contribute right away.

However, even if you follow Petrie's logic that Rubio wasn't the right fit and that Evans was, i gotta agree with wd707 on his opinion that Petrie shud have at least drafted Rubio to use as leverage to obtain something in return. Just take Minn for example. Why draft Evans when you know they have 2 back-back picks after you and needed a pg. And they wanted Rubio. they were trying to get up to the grizzlies pick, even allegedly offering Kevin Love. it wasn't so they cud draft thabeet or curry. it was to pick Rubio!!! Why not draft Rubio, trade to t-wolves for 5th pick (Tyreke Evans) and get something in addition (the 18th pick, the 28th pick, a future 1st rd pick, a friggin year's subscription to Netflix....ANYTHING). It's not like we would have had to just swap picks (we pick Rubio, they pick Evans, and we trade straight up). Rubio is a highly-valued prospect. A pure pg who has J-Kidd/Magic type court vision. and that's just one team. there were (are) numerous teams that wud love to get this kid, and wud have given up future draft picks, young talent, expiring contracts. None of those things were possible to the kings once Petrie chose Evans. A short-sighted and rigid move that is sort of Petrie's MO in the draft.

we'll have to wait to c how this turns out, and i hope Petrie's impressive 1st rd track record gets played out with the Evans pick. But from my perspective, there's no question Petrie needs a little more thinking on his toes/reacting to the situation/getting the most out of what you pick and less "he had a strong workout and this is the one I want."

That was another thing, we all knew how much Minn wanted Rubio and how much their GM was just absolutely sold on him.

Why not
Rubio + 23 for #5 + 18 or Rubio + 38 for #5 + #28

I hate how passive Petrie is in EVERY SINGLE draft.

Has he ever made a draft day trade?!!

Marc wrote:

rwheeler wrote:

Marc wrote:
you are talking about a kid that has been professional since he was 14. He was the player with most experience in the draft.

Ok so what your telling me is basically Rubio has only been playing 4 years and he was the most experienced in the draft? IMO just because he played overseas and in the Olympics doesn't make him a better player than others. Sure he got once in a lifetime experiences, but this is how I feel Rubio got overhyped...

I don´t think he is better based on his experience. You said he could not handle the pressure and i i think that is not the case because of his experience.

About the pressure, in the game yeah I'm sure he can handle the pressure. I meant the outside pressure he's going to face. Legals issues, being without his family and friends, the way our organization is run (face it, things wouldn't be all rosie the more we lost). We were asking him to be the face of our franchise. That's what I thought was too much from him right now at 18. No matter what he still has a lot of maturing to do.