Mods maybe sticky? Geoff Petries draft history

wd707 · Post #1 » by **wd707** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:08 am

Heres a good topic.... Maybe even a sticky???

Geoff Petries draft history... Nothing but the facts

Just for the record..... Here is the draft history of petrie....

1996 Nbad Draft

peja stojakovic... over steve nash and jermaine oneal... I will give him the benifit of the doubt here..

Jeff mccininis... no one else turned out... so this is alright.

1997 Nba draft
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tariq abdul wahad.

anthony johnson

players like stephen jackson were available after anthony johnson.

1998 draft

jason williams... over play like dirk... paul pierce...

2nd round pick jerome james... i guess its a neutral pick nothing else really panned out in the 2nd round.

1999 draft

no first round pick....

2nd round.... ryan robertson.... OVER MANU GINOBLI...

2000 NBA DRAFT

hedo turkoglu.... probably best pick at 16...

2nd round... jabari smith... nothing really panned out after this pick to.

2001 NBA DRAFT.

gerald wallace... over tony parker...

2nd round at the end of the draft maurice jeffers.. so dont expect much..

2002 NBA DRAFT

dan dickau last pick in the first round... so nothing can really be said.

corsley edwards... last pick in the 2nd round... so nothing can be said either.

2003 NBA Draft

no first round pick.....

no 2nd round pick...

2004 NBA Draft

kevin martin... best pick in late first round...

ricky minard... neutral i guess

2005 NBA Draft

francisco garcia... questionable... jason maxiell.... david lee.. maybe even linas klieza...

orien green.... over amir johnson... who I always liked

2006 NBA DRAFT...

quincy doubly.. over rajon rondo.... and even sergio rodriguez who we just traded for.

no 2nd round pick.

2007 NBA Draft

spencer hawes..... I LIKE THIS PICK...

NO SECOND ROUND PICK.. TRADED.... GOOD PLAYERS WERE AVAILABLE AT THIS SLOT...

2008 NBA Draft

jason thompson... I think this was the best player... MAYBE anthony randolph but who knows..

kings had back to back pick... sean singletary and patrick ewing jr... who they traded...

So overall I dont think petrie is THAT GREAT.. Past on good, better players. But he could of done worse. But dont make it out to be like he is a Draft Guru...

NOw dont make me talk about his TRADES.

Smills91 · Post #2 » by **Smills91** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:39 am

This is stupid. You're using 20/20 hindsight to rip into Geoff's drafting record.

He doesn't have that luxury. However, all but TWO picks were/are VERY productive players over that 16 year span(you also forgot Brian Grant and Corliss Williamson in 94 and 95. Those were still Geoff.

So the fact that in 16 years of drafting he's had exactly TWO flops. I doubt many GM's can match that.

wd707 · Post #3 » by **wd707** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:41 am

I will have to check but I didnt know 94 and 95 were petrie? And you cant say 2 were only flops ARE YOU ONLY CONSIDERING 1ST ROUND PICKS? Because 2nd round picks wernt that great either. Plus the picks that PETRIE traded away that WE NEVER GOT TO DRAFT.

wiltchamberlain · Post #4 » by **wiltchamberlain** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:17 pm

This is ridiculous. There is not a GM in professional basketball, or any sport for that matter, who if you looked though all of the draft picks of their entire career you wouldn't find questionable calls, or even outright mistakes. I wouldn't be against posting all of Geoffs picks, but the biased commentary, and monday night quarterbacking makes this completely inappropriate.

darkadun · Post #5 » by **darkadun** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:19 pm

Drafting is gambling basically. No one really can know how a player will turn out, and to what degree.
The best way to judge drafting is, did we get a good player each pick? By and large yes, with the obvious flub being douby. And yes, Petrie did miss some great players. Pierce/Dirk over J Will is a example, but Williams did play a large role in turning this franchise around and putting us on the map, so I don't mind this pick. Parker/Ginobili is another one, but no one knew those guys would become this good. Alot of GM's missed out on them, so I can't fault Petrie.

When you look at any teams draft history, its always a case of who they could of taken and who they should not have taken. Thats typically the way it is.

Post #6 » by **ICMTM** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:52 pm

You guys have to realize in the early 2000's are roster was set. We didn't need Dirk we had Webber. Our time to win was then! Draft picks are years away. Durant, Rose, the old guy in Portland (Oden), Beasley, name your recently drafted player here aren't making their teams contenders right now. Evans (or any other player in this year's draft) won't either.

FYI no sticky required!

bjax24 · Post #7 » by **bjax24** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:36 pm

Almost every team in the league passed on Ginobili.

This thread is far too nit picky.

Post #8 » by **KingInExile** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:37 pm

How many GMs passed on Kobe? Wade? Michael Jordan was passed over for Hakeem Olajuwon and Sam Bowie. Karl Malone was a #13 pick with guys like Xavier McDaniel and Charles Oakley going ahead of him.

Monday-morning GMing with the benefit of 20/20 hind sight is easy. Glad to see we have someone who has mastered that skill.

OGSactownballer · Post #9 » by **OGSactownballer** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:45 pm

As I recall, John stockton was either #24 or 25. How many guys do you think are pissed that they let Kevin get to #26? What about every GM in the league that could have gotten Gilbert Arenas and let him slip into the second round?

this is really quite nonsensical, especially when you take it to the next level and ask how many of Geoff's picks have become either all-stars (even all-NBA) and key starter/rotation guys on championship and contending teams? And almost every one of them has been from the mid to late first round on.

Also, second round picks are irrelevant as they are ALWAYS crapshoots - the guys who have LOTS of ?????'s about their game or head - that's why they are in the second round.

rpa · Post #10 » by **rpa** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:46 pm

Didn't RealGM used to have an ignore button? Cuz this would be a perfect time to use it.

Post #11 » by **KingInExile** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:12 pm

rpa wrote:Didn't RealGM used to have an ignore button? Cuz this would be a perfect time to use it.

Click on the poster's name...that opens their profile.

Click on the line that says "Add Foe"...that puts them on ignore.

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #12 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:19 pm

Dumbest Thread Ever.

Spend your time trying to make a time machine.

rpa · Post #13 » by **rpa** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:34 pm

KingInExile wrote:
rpa wrote:Didn't RealGM used to have an ignore button? Cuz this would be a perfect time to use it.

Click on the poster's name...that opens their profile.

Click on the line that says "Add Foe"...that puts them on ignore.

Sweet. Quite useful.

darkadun · Post #14 » by **darkadun** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:26 pm

KingInExile wrote:
rpa wrote:Didn't RealGM used to have an ignore button? Cuz this would be a perfect time to use it.

Click on the poster's name...that opens their profile.

Click on the line that says "Add Foe"...that puts them on ignore.

Awesome. Thanks.

King Baller · Post #15 » by **King Baller** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:52 pm

Dude you should invest in the stock market since all your choices are perfect :lol:

Or maybe you can become a professional gambler

GP is a good GM and those that know the game know this.

KB

cdt3 · Post #16 » by **cdt3** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:26 pm

A GM is just like has a betting average just like a player. Petrie is one of the close to .400 hitter of GMs. Even the best GMs have their bad days. But this is Petrie's third rebuilding project, one in Portland who appeared in a title game and the best Sac franchise ever. Petrie had no control of all he coaching BS that went on the last 4 years and it set us back a year rebuilding but with Evans we are finally rebuilt as a contender again. Expect a 20/10/1.5 out of JT, 18/9/1.5 out of Hawes, and a 17/5 out of Evans next year with KMart they are loaded with firepower again. Bibby's first year here he put up a 14/5 so big assists have never been big here.

Post #17 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:30 pm

Holding a GM to the standard of getting the absolute BPA at every pick is absolutely ludicrous. If they do that even a couple of times (which Geoff arguably has with Hedo and Kevin), and generally get one of better players available (which Geoff does) then they are a damn good drafter.

And as I said in the other thread, you can't fault any GM for poor second round picks. The second round is a massive crapshoot. Nobody thinks they're getting a great player there. If they did, they would draft said player earlier.

Travis_Knight · Post #18 » by **Travis_Knight** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:19 am

A Real GM's job can be categorized in three ways: drafting, trading, and free agent signing. Petrie's drafting acumen was superior to his trading skill and phenomenally better than his free agent signings. Drafting Predrag and Hidayet were stroke of genius - right up there with the spurs' drafting of manu. He got the best of the deal in both trades for bibby and webber. But the prices he paid to retain free agents was his undoing. Webber and Bibby were worth roughly half of what he paid them. Those two huge contracts pushed the Kings into the luxury tax and they were unable to add pieces to the team. Once one of the big pieces went down, so did the kings. However, the magoofs bear the ultimate responsibility, it was their 122 million they decided to give an aging, injury-prone webber.

Smills91 · Post #19 » by **Smills91** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:49 am

Travis_Knight wrote:A Real GM's job can be categorized in three ways: drafting, trading, and free agent signing. Petrie's drafting acumen was superior to his trading skill and phenomenally better than his free agent signings. Drafting Predrag and Hidayet were stroke of genius - right up there with the spurs' drafting of manu. He got the best of the deal in both trades for bibby and webber. But the prices he paid to retain free agents was his undoing. Webber and Bibby were worth roughly half of what he paid them. Those two huge contracts pushed the Kings into the luxury tax and they were unable to add pieces to the team. Once one of the big pieces went down, so did the kings. However, the magoofs bear the ultimate responsibility, it was their 122 million they decided to give an aging, injury-prone webber.

Are you trying to get banned? I mean seriously, hasn't this been hashed out in every thread you've posted in thus far?

cdt3 · Post #20 » by **cdt3** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:49 am

The only stat that matters about Petrie. The Kings last had a .500 team 15 years before Petrie arrived rebuilt the Kings only making the playoffs only 2 times during that stretch. The past 12 years he has been here they have 7 seasons above .500 and in the playoffs. He has this team now rebuilt to be there for the next 10 years again. Webber was pretty close to Dirk and Duncan's age and his injury killed the old playoff run and resulted in the re-rebuilding the past 5 seasons.

The Maloofs have now finally brought in a professional coach who works well with the group Petrie has drafted. It is a total myth that Petrie did not select the best coach, Westphal has a better career coaching winning % (in 7 seasons and on 2 teams) than Rick Adelman or Pat Riley or Jerry Sloan. Petrie has restocked this team to get to another long .500 and playoff run again. This is why we are BSing at Real GM and Petrie is the Kings' GM.