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Spencer not communicating with GP or coach Westphal about not participating in SL.
Is this a bad sign from Hawes in terms of our future, ie does he think he is a bit better than he actually is?
Or have we only got half the story here and jumping the gun?

not huge deal, spencer is just sort of a douche bag or whatever folks want to call him.

Here's the original article the wiretap is based on: http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2037535.html

As you can see it is by Ailene Voisin, which automatically means that it lacks any rational thought and should not be treated as a credible interpretation of reality.

Would Spencer and the team have benefited from him participating in Summer League? Absolutely. Could the communication with Petrie and Westphal been better? Most likely...but remember, we don't really know (and never will know) all the details of what was communicated, how it was communicated and when it was communicated.

The bottom line is that Spencer is still immature and has a lot to learn about living up to the commitments that come with his salary. He also needs to realize that he needs to start transitioning into more of a leadership role, which means that he has to set a standard for the new guys with his actions. These are things he would have learned had he played more than 1 year at UW...Lorenzo Romar would have pounded a leadership ethic into him.

Something else we need to keep in mind when it comes to not knowing the full story is whether there were any health-related issues that would have made it more appropriate to not play. Remember, he has a history with his knees...it's not a bad thing to let a guy with knees that have had multiple surgeries to rest for a couple of months. We also don't know the extent of individual development he may be doing in Seattle. There could be a lot of benefit long term for him to spend time intensively working to fine tune aspects of his game...more benefit that he would have received from playing 5 games in Vegas. I don't know the full story and don't know what he has been doing so far this summer. But in not knowing the full picture, it is foolish to jump to the "worst case" conclusion.

JT showed up and was so out of game shape from just lifting all offseason but played anyway because he is a leader. Who cares how many years Hawes has played we have a rookie PG and rookie coaches. The PG in the Princeton needs to get the ball to both the 4 & 5 because they are the base of the offense.

But Hawes gave everyone the finger the amount of minutes the guy played would have made no diffrenece this was mostly about a couple weeks of practice with new guys. In my opinion this was why Petrie waited for summer league to figure out who to sign. I think Petrie has gone with giving those minutes and letting Donte improve instead of Diogu. Because Rashard Lewis under Westphal improved from a 5pt a game rook to a 17pt a game guy in his 3rd year just in case Hawes continues the flakiness.

Hawes will be big guy #2 this year and the time he had to prove that he could be the #1 and he was a no show. There are no molehills on a 17 win team.

I knew exactly what this was going to be about before I clicked on it. No. I dont think it is a big deal, but you would hope that players would communicate better with their new coach. If it happens again, I would start to have a problemn with it.

I dont remember what it was, but wasn't there another incident that happened last off-season too with Hawes? Something similar to this, i think

cdt3 wrote:JT showed up and was so out of game shape from just lifting all offseason but played anyway because he is a leader. Who cares how many years Hawes has played we have a rookie PG and rookie coaches. The PG in the Princeton needs to get the ball to both the 4 & 5 because they are the base of the offense.

But Hawes gave everyone the finger the amount of minutes the guy played would have made no diffrenece this was mostly about a couple weeks of practice with new guys. In my opinion this was why Petrie waited for summer league to figure out who to sign. I think Petrie has gone with giving those minutes and letting Donte improve instead of Diogu. Because Rashard Lewis under Westphal improved from a 5pt a game rook to a 17pt a game guy in his 3rd year just in case Hawes continues the flakiness.

Hawes will be big guy #2 this year and the time he had to prove that he could be the #1 and he was a no show. There are no molehills on a 17 win team.

IIRC only 1st and 2nd year player are obligated to participate in SL.

I think this just needs to die now, should've handled it better, but it's probably for the better that we got a look at some other young guys. I for one would have been pissed had he played and then Brockman ended up playing 4 mpg. Maybe that secretly had something to do with it? Brockman got the time and ended up doing what was expected, dominating the boards.

SacKingZZZ wrote:I think this just needs to die now, should've handled it better, but it's probably for the better that we got a look at some other young guys. I for one would have been pissed had he played and then Brockman ended up playing 4 mpg. Maybe that secretly had something to do with it? Brockman got the time and ended up doing what was expected, dominating the boards.

hmmm interesting take. Hawes could have been looking out for Jon? Maybe he wanted to be sure that Brock got signed, and to give him more minutes what the way to do that.

He should have played in the summer league no matter how big his ego is. Hes the starting center but on a bad team. We need as much reps with him JT and tyreke as possible. Didn't RON ARTEST want play in a summer league? and SPENCER HAWES does not.

I think the importance of Summer League is over rated for Hawes in this instance. Tyreke, Casspi and Brock all needed to be there. Greene needed to be there. For the filler players hoping to catch on in the NBA it is relly important.

But for Hawes? C'mon fellas give the big guy a break.

KB

Also I don't see what JT gained by being there. Bulding team chemistry in SL is trying to put the cart before the horse. There is training camp, pre-season and in the case of this young rebuilding Kings team, the regular season.

Simmer down, relax and let it happen instead of trying to over hype SL.

KB

This team won 17 games got a new coach and new PG they need as much time together as they can and the summer league gives them extra time to work together. Of course he didn't have to be there but Hawes originally said yes and then flaked. Hawes is now officially the 2nd big guy. The Kings sent this article to ESPN, Fox, and RealGM, everyone to send a message to Hawes. JT is serious about winning the guy looked like he has been lifting all summer and put up a few 20/10s. If there was not so much chaos last year this wouldn't be an issue but it is because so much of a new core.

Brockman was very impressive and would have been even if Hawes played some minutes. He had 9 rebounds in 24 min a game while Griffin avgd 12 in 34 min a game. Brockman would have made the roster anyway because Petrie drafted him for his toughness in the paint.

The Maloofs wouldn't have sent this story if they were happy with Hawes. Yes it is a big deal to your bosses.

It's Alieen Vision diggin for a story to get readers, and she's just faining ignorance if any of the speculation and feelings she threw in are even viable.

FIVE measly games in a summer league and people are getting upset about this? And all of this hoopla over an article written by VOISIN makes it even worse. At least in future I know that I should just disregard your opinions as soon as I see them (like I do with Voisin). Thank God for the ignore button.

cdt3 wrote:JT showed up and was so out of game shape from just lifting all offseason but played anyway because he is a leader. Who cares how many years Hawes has played we have a rookie PG and rookie coaches. The PG in the Princeton needs to get the ball to both the 4 & 5 because they are the base of the offense.

But Hawes gave everyone the finger the amount of minutes the guy played would have made no diffrenece this was mostly about a couple weeks of practice with new guys. In my opinion this was why Petrie waited for summer league to figure out who to sign. I think Petrie has gone with giving those minutes and letting Donte improve instead of Diogu. Because Rashard Lewis under Westphal improved from a 5pt a game rook to a 17pt a game guy in his 3rd year just in case Hawes continues the flakiness.

Hawes will be big guy #2 this year and the time he had to prove that he could be the #1 and he was a no show. There are no molehills on a 17 win team.

Dude...you need to get over the "Princeton" argument. The Kings are NOT, repeat NOT going to be running the "Princeton" offense from here on out. Westphal may work some aspects of a Princeton style into his plan. But trying to characterize the system as "Princeton" is completely inaccurate. It's true that we really don't know exactly what the ultimate game plan is. However it is more likely that the plan will be more fast break/"ball pushing" oriented than half-court, high-post motion.

cdt3 wrote:This team won 17 games got a new coach and new PG they need as much time together as they can and the summer league gives them extra time to work together. Of course he didn't have to be there but Hawes originally said yes and then flaked. Hawes is now officially the 2nd big guy. The Kings sent this article to ESPN, Fox, and RealGM, everyone to send a message to Hawes. JT is serious about winning the guy looked like he has been lifting all summer and put up a few 20/10s. If there was not so much chaos last year this wouldn't be an issue but it is because so much of a new core.

Brockman was very impressive and would have been even if Hawes played some minutes. He had 9 rebounds in 24 min a game while Griffin avgd 12 in 34 min a game. Brockman would have made the roster anyway because Petrie drafted him for his toughness in the paint.

The Maloofs wouldn't have sent this story if they were happy with Hawes. Yes it is a big deal to your bosses.

What in the world are you talking about? "The Kings sent this article to ESPN, Fox, and RealGM..."? Do you think the Kings own the Bee? Do you think they pay Ailene Dimbulb to write articles? The Kings had absolutely nothing to do with that article. And the only reason it was on ESPN, Fox and RealGM's websites is because all of those sites republish stories from local media sources that contain certain keywords.

KingInExile wrote:[
What in the world are you talking about? "The Kings sent this article to ESPN, Fox, and RealGM..."? Do you think the Kings own the Bee? Do you think they pay Ailene Dimbulb to write articles? The Kings had absolutely nothing to do with that article. And the only reason it was on ESPN, Fox and RealGM's websites is because all of those sites republish stories from local media sources that contain certain keywords.

That's why you ignore his posts like I do!

KingInExile wrote:Dude...you need to get over the "Princeton" argument. The Kings are NOT, repeat NOT going to be running the "Princeton" offense from here on out. Westphal may work some aspects of a Princeton style into his plan. But trying to characterize the system as "Princeton" is completely inaccurate. It's true that we really don't know exactly what the ultimate game plan is. However it is more likely that the plan will be more fast break/"ball pushing" oriented than half-court, high-post motion.

I think it's very likely the Kings do run quite a bit of high post stuff. Maybe as much as we did before at some point in the future. We weren't strictly a "Princeton" team back in the day either. If we were we wouldn't have averaged more than 89 ppg.

With that said, if the idea is fast break, while I agree Spencer and Jason can be used in that fashion I want better fits in the frontcourt. They'll be using about 1/10th the potential Spencer has if his job is to play in that system. I think Westphal will focus on a cross utilization of matching skillsets....at least I hope he does. I think Spencer, Tyreke, Kevin, etc will get a chance to do what they do.

It's going to be the same like every year. We will run a variation of the Princeton that consist of high ball screens, picks, isolation opportunities, backdoor play, and high post play. It isn't all that different that we previously ran before. Just fits the ideals for our players.

This time Evans is our primary ball handler (assuming that he is the starting point guard from the getgo or will eventually) and he will initiate the offense from various play set calls and/or penetrate/reaction attribute.