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Lets jump on Bill Duffy, too for slamming Ricky Rubio. Let's call him an idiot and say he should shut the heck up. Lets dismiss him as a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about while we are at it.

Maybe Jennings isn't dumb after all? Maybe Petrie was right to pass on Rubio. Maybe the kid just can't play as well as we thought?

FYI I'm just throwing this out there because the board is dead right now. Keep the discussion respectful.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... overrated/

I don't think Rubio is overrated but I do think some of the hype surrounding around him, at times is ridiculous.

I still believe Rubio is going to be a very good player but Evans can be better and is projected to be better in some major sports outlets and etc too.

not surprised by this at all

ICMTM wrote:Lets jump on Bill Duffy, too for slamming Ricky Rubio. Let's call him an idiot and say he should shut the heck up. Lets dismiss him as a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about while we are at it.

Maybe Jennings isn't dumb after all? Maybe Petrie was right to pass on Rubio. Maybe the kid just can't play as well as we thought?

FYI I'm just throwing this out there because the board is dead right now. Keep the discussion respectful.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... overrated/

Regardless of whether he's overrated or not, the quoted guy is Jenning's agent, not exactly the address for an unbiased opnion.

I've been saying this since the discussion of Griffen Vs Rubio before the lottery, Rubio has a lot of questions marks and red flags around him, mainly his lack of scoring and athleticism of elite guards, anyone who thought of drafting should look deeply on how he can become a better (much better) jump shooter than he is now.

As long as Ricky Rubio finds a place in the NBA and suceeds there is all i want out of Rubio. His scoring will come along and i feel his toughness is already there because of how he won defensive player of the year last season. I still feel that we missed out by not drafting Rubio and his distribution abilitys over Tyrekes strenght and dribble drive. Rubio deserves a spot in the NBA weather it be Minni or New York or anywhere else.

I think the main thing about Rubio really is his ability to score. That at the end of the day will dictate his effectiveness both as a player and as a passer. If all teams are worried about is his passing, they'll weak off him and work the lanes and he won't be so effective. If he is a legit threat to score, then he'll draw attention and find more open teammates.

In the end I think Evans will be more effective, while perhaps not has flashy (or, even accurate) as a passer, at least for a while. Evans is gonna draw attention as a scorer and this will open guys like Garcia or Thompson who other teams may slack off of.

Is Rubio overrated? He's over hyped, certainly, but I think he'll be a fine player. I'd still take Evans over him.

It's a little bit different coming from an agent--just in the fact that it doesn't really matter. Nobody really cares too much if an agent is being a douche. A lottery pick is another story.

I agree that there are legitimate concerns for Rubio, I just think they're fixable. I think that if he can develop a strong outside shot, he'll be able to penetrate, and that's the key issue. If he can consistently penetrate, his playmaking will be very dangerous. But since he likely won't become much quicker (especially since he'd be well served to add some weight), he's going to need that outside shot. He appears to be pretty well on hi way with it, as he's already a good set shooter. But he still has a long way to go on his pull-up game.

I'm glad we passed on Rubio as I have said. I don't think he lives up to the hype. I mean didn't he backup Jose Calderon on the Spanish team? It may be a little different because international teams tend to run on a "seniority system."

I don't think Rubio ever makes an allstar team.

EDIT: Chris Paul and Deron Williams backed up Jason Kidd. I retract my statement.

^Haaha, not a good statement there. Way to retract it.

I think Rubio isn't overrated. He's overhyped. Big difference.

I like him and I wouldn't have minded if we drafted him, but there is no way someone could say that right now Rubio is a better basketball player than Evans.

If Rubio goes overseas, I'm disapointed. I was looking forward to having the oppertunity to see him play, especially against Evans. Then we'd see who really was the better pick.

.Jerry Reynolds compared Rubio to Luke Ridnour on the Rise Guys

Smills91 wrote:.Jerry Reynolds compared Rubio to Luke Ridnour on the Rise Guys

Link: http://www.sports1140.com/topic/play_wi ... Id=3912139

I think it's a dumb comment, and I still have serious doubts about the pick (I was absolutely furious that day), but it's clear the Kings didn't like him too much.

I would not have minded Rubio, but I am happy with Evans. In fact I think Evans will still prove to be the much better player between the 2. I think Rubio will eventually still prove to be a solid player in the league...not great, though, and not superstar great. In that respect, I can agree with Duffy's comments...even though the comments should be taken with a grain of salt.

So, did I hear it right?

We didn't consider Rubio at the #4 spot? Well, knowing that Reynolds has been around with Petrie at the workouts like the whole time this summer and knowing that he knows a little thing or two about this organization, I wouldn't be surprise if this was true. And I kinda do believe it.

I didn't listen to the clip, but I would assume that we at least had Rubio on our list. He probably just was not 1, 2, 3 or even top 5 on our list for the 4th pick.

Smills91 wrote:.Jerry Reynolds compared Rubio to Luke Ridnour on the Rise Guys

And this coming from the man who said Garcia could be an All-Star .

Smills91 wrote:


I think our big board looked like this:

1) Griffin
2) Evans
3/4) Flynn/Harden(not sure which way these two would go)
5) Curry
6) Rubio
7) Holiday

I was going to really disagree with this until I actually listened to the clip. For the record, I would definitely guess that Flynn would be the preference over Harden, although taking Harden if he was available, and holding his value for ransom might have been a possibility.

I really think that as fans we need to divorce ourselves for a moment from the "is Rubio BETTER than Evans" argument and look at some of the other factors that weigh into the decision of who to select with both available for a BUSINESS in the Kings' position.

1) The Kings need a franchise-caliber player who is identified NATIONALLY as the face of the franchise.

2) They need a player who can begin to show impact RIGHT NOW.

3) They need a player who MARKETS WELL in the United States.

4) They need a player who can become that face of the franchise at TWO POSITIONS so that they have some value to trade when it comes that other teams are ready to move All-NBA caliber players for a multi-player package.

So what you have is a Euro-player who probably has more actual basketball IQ RIGHT NOW and is also still at least three years away from really being as good as he is hyped to be in the NBA vs. an Aerican athletic black kid who will be able to tranlate all of his current skills IMMEDIATELY to NBA-style play in a dominant and HIGHLY MARKETABLE manner and has the growth room to add a lot of the skills and IQ items that normally come with age and maturity. He also gives you the ability to trade a near all-star caliber player (Martin) in a good package and can slide over and be your starting SG immediately.

All this and then you throw in the cost factor (assisting the buyout for Rubio) and I think that the business decision becomes pretty easy when you make the selection.

I only agree with #2, but the discussion doesn't make much sense now. Hope the Evans as the PG experiment goes well.