Coach Westphal Making Mistake?

SadKingsFan · Post #1 » by **SadKingsFan** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:01 pm

In my Honest opinion, our new coach is making his first mistake as our coach with Hawes not starting tonight. We need to put our BEST players on the floor at all times, and i think we can agree that May is not one of them, regardless of his performance in Preseason. Coach Westphal was quoted in the Sac Bee saying that 'Its not who starts, its who finishes' but shouldn't we start our best players?

Website · Post #2 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:04 pm

Let Hawes Start!

Post #3 » by **KF10** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:09 pm

I'm indifferent about this. I need to see several games to fully evaluate the situation. We only have direct quotes only from Westphal and Hawes.

Ultimately, I think it is a gutsy move by Westphal and he would look like a genius if this will work out to the advantage of the Kings and Hawes. But if not, it can be very bad. Almost like a mini-implosion.

SadKingsFan · Post #4 » by **SadKingsFan** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:23 pm

I just dont see the upside in the situation at all. He is a veteran coach so i will give him the benefit of the doubt, but i definitely dont like it at the moment...and im 100% sure that Hawes doesnt.

Post #5 » by **KF10** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:35 pm

I still think it is a bit too early to say anything about the situation. At first glance, sure, it seems like Hawes should have been starting center for the Kings. But as of right now, I'm going to sit back and watch and read everything I know about this situation's progress.

That's my personal opinion.

bflewis · Post #6 » by **bflewis** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:53 pm

It may be a smart move. The only two people on our team that can play Center is Thompson & Hawes. So if we have them on the floor at the same time then when they both need rest, we are left with Sean May or Brockman or god forbid KT as our Center, and we give up 10 points in two minutes from our "Center" being posted up. So until we get a look at how this works or until we sign a backup big man, give Westphal a break.

Post #7 » by **KingInExile** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:14 am

A starting spot on a rebuilding team are earned, not bestowed. If Hawes has not earned a starting role, then he has to be the one to man up and do what it takes to earn it. Besides, the whole "starter" role is often overrated. What's important is working you're butt off within your role to help the team.

longfellow44 · Post #8 » by **longfellow44** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:44 am

I honestly think that this is specifically because of the height issue. Our lack of Height in our reserves is a serious problem when one of Hawes or Thompson isn't on the floor. We get abused in the post by the weakest of 7 footers when we don't have atleast one of the two on the floor. Kings really need to get a decent reserve C. If the Knicks don't start to use Milicic maybe we should try to make a switch of KT and a 2nd for Darko atleast then we would have some height in the second unit and the coach could feel comfortable with Hawes starting.

Post #9 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:51 am

KingInExile wrote:A starting spot on a rebuilding team are earned, not bestowed. If Hawes has not earned a starting role, then he has to be the one to man up and do what it takes to earn it. Besides, the whole "starter" role is often overrated. What's important is working you're butt off within your role to help the team.

I basically agree with this. The only problem I have is that it's not as if May has been tearing it up either.

But Spencer really needs to get his butt in gear. He's better than this, and he needs to man up.

SacKingZZZ · Post #10 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:57 am

I can totally see Westphals point in sending one of the bigger guys to the bench in fear of foul trouble, but he did make a mistake in choosing Hawes over Thompson. Hawes isn't the type of player that will come off the bench with the kind of energy Jason can. We could use Jason's hustle off the bench, and Hawes' skill in the starting lineup. I'd go with May/Hawes, actually, I'd consider Brockman/Hawes since they are both fundamental and know eachothers games, but Hawes needs to start IMO. Jason should come off the bench because I think he'd flourish in that role.

RIPskaterdude · Post #11 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:29 am

May/Hawes would be one of the worst frontcourts in the NBA...not that May/Thompson is a good one, but May and Hawes are both terrible post up players. Thompson at least tries to score some points in the paint.

Post #12 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:55 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:May/Hawes would be one of the worst frontcourts in the NBA...not that May/Thompson is a good one, but May and Hawes are both terrible post up players. Thompson at least tries to score some points in the paint.

Spencer's good in the post when he actually tries to play down there and doesn't let himself get pushed around. At this point, I would be all for any situation that got Spencer in the post more.

SacKingZZZ · Post #13 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:37 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:May/Hawes would be one of the worst frontcourts in the NBA...not that May/Thompson is a good one, but May and Hawes are both terrible post up players. Thompson at least tries to score some points in the paint.

Yeah but he does it moreso through hustle plays. He had a nice half hook in the post but other than that, Spencer still probably had a better move or two with limited touches.

Post #14 » by **KF10** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:48 am

I think all of Hawes points were in the post if I can recall. So, this isn't Hawes shooting perimeter jumpers like crazy last game.

Anyways, I think Hawes would have his hands full with Okafor in the next game. Okafor is a very good defender.

RIPskaterdude · Post #15 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:10 am

KF10 wrote:I think all of Hawes points were in the post if I can recall. So, this isn't Hawes shooting perimeter jumpers like crazy last game.

Anyways, I think Hawes would have his hands full with Okafor in the next game. Okafor is a very good defender.

And yet, Hawes still took two 3's that he BADLY missed. Especially the last one near the end of the game. He was wide open and yet it wasn't even close, apparently (didn't watch him shoot that one).

nolimit0820 · Post #16 » by **nolimit0820** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:14 am

I agree with the notion that Hawes must work his tail off in order to obtain that starting spot. The last thing we need is to hand things to players and baby them. This will be a true test of Spencer's character and if he is willing to do the things that will make him successful. Nothing needs to be handed to players, especially on a rebuilding team. May has done a decent job, but has not earned the position. However, I do agree with the move because I want to see if Hawes has the character to respond to this adversity. If he does not, it is a true testament to his lack of commitment. He will earn that spot though, I have confidence in that. There are two directions he can go...is he going to go in the tank? Or is he going to step up to the occasion?

SadKingsFan · Post #17 » by **SadKingsFan** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:50 pm

Coach is on the radio with grant and Mike right now, explaining his rotation.

Smills91 · Post #18 » by **Smills91** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:01 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
KF10 wrote:I think all of Hawes points were in the post if I can recall. So, this isn't Hawes shooting perimeter jumpers like crazy last game.

Anyways, I think Hawes would have his hands full with Okafor in the next game. Okafor is a very good defender.

And yet, Hawes still took two 3's that he BADLY missed. Especially the last one near the end of the game. He was wide open and yet it wasn't even close, apparently (didn't watch him shoot that one).

Well if you didn't see it, don't comment. You love to hate on Hawes for some reason. He was short. But that's irrelevant, who cares if he airballed it, or it went down and out, it's still a miss. They happen. It's one game. Hawes showed too much promise last season at a young age to give up on him. I find your post both ignorant and irrational about Hawes.

SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:50 am

SadKingsFan wrote:Coach is on the radio with grant and Mike right now, explaining his rotation.

Good cause he's got a lot of explaining to do. :wink:

What did he say?

Post #20 » by **KF10** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:55 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
And yet, Hawes still took two 3's that he BADLY missed. Especially the last one near the end of the game. He was wide open and yet it wasn't even close, apparently (didn't watch him shoot that one).

Again, all of his points seemed to be in the post area. This isn't when Hawes was very perimeter orientated. Not at all.

This does not have to do how Hawes missed his threes. A miss is still a miss. *And by the way, it wasn't badly as you said. That's an exaggeration from your part*