Rumor: Dalembert for Nocioni+Thomas

[Crimson King]

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3 way deal:

Celtics: Nocioni
76ers: Thomas, Tony Allen, Scalabrine
Kings: Dalembert, Giddens

[_SRV_]

That would kill '10 cap space, but will bring a needed piece, I'm leaning towards being in favour.

[KingInExile]

meh...I generally don't get too excited over Marc Stein rumors. Half the time they are as made up as Peter Vescey's garbage.

[KF10]

I'm actually be ok with it. We are a bad defensive team and we need a defensive presence down low in the worst way. We actually save 3 million this year (assuming that Giddens is in the deal). And Dalembert's contract only runs one more year vs Nocioni's three years (or two). So, I'm pretty sure everything will balance out in the end in terms of salary. But my only concern is that, Dalembert has a low basketball IQ. So, I don't know. (but then again, I think he will thrive under Westphal).

[darkadun]

hmmm...dunno about Dalembert. I guess I don't see him play a whole lot since they're on the east, but I've never been impressed. I'd be more in favor of the Okafor, but if Dalamberts salary is less and still gives us some room for next off season, it might not be a bad deal, I mean he is a quality big man.

Interesting to say the least, if it has any truth to it.

[cuad]

Not in favor.

[rpa]

Why not just Noc to Boston for the expiring contracts and sign some aging vet like Voshkul (or trade for one even--with an expiring contract of course). That way we aren't killing '10 cap space.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Ya i would not like this trade

[truth serum]

I'm interested to see.....what if the Knicks traded places with the Sixers in this deal and Sacramento got Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler instead of just Dally?

Don't laugh yet. For those who haven't seen, Eddy is in unbelievable shape right now and ready to return to action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWo8vsaVqw). I'm sure you'd like to see him prove he's able to play again first, but say he comes back and gives you something to similar to what he gave the Knicks in 06 (and he's in way better condition now than he ever was for us). Then on top of that you add Chandler who is a young, all-around player that would sure up your defense and give you a nice piece at the 3.

Adding a SF like that to your core of Evans, K-Mart and Thompson would look pretty nice IMO. As for Curry, at the very least he gives you a much better option off the bench than any of your other bigs behind Hawes, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting games at some point if he can return to his old form. On top of that, you guys don't seem to be in the hunt for a FA in 2010 and Eddy's contract expires after next year anyway. Unless your owner is weary of spending extra money which the current Dalembert rumor signals he doesn't, this isn't a very big risk for you guys. Despite the bad rep Curry has right now, IMO, he'd be a small price to pay for a nice pickup like Chandler who fits perfectly with your team.

Most Knick fans would probably say no to this, but especially at this point in the season where the Knicks are 1-9 and looking terrible, I think it's more important for us to clear that extra cap for 2010 to lure a second max FA. What do you guys think?

[RIPskaterdude]

The Sixers are doing EVERYTHING they can to get rid of Dalembert, when they desperately need size just like us...what does that tell you about him? NO. THANKS.

[a-rod]

I'm interested to see.....what if the Knicks traded places with the Sixers in this deal and Sacramento got Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler instead of just Dally?

Don't laugh yet. For those who haven't seen, Eddy is in unbelievable shape right now and ready to return to action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWo8vsaVqw). I'm sure you'd like to see him prove he's able to play again first, but say he comes back and gives you something to similar to what he gave the Knicks in 06 (and he's in way better condition now than he ever was for us). Then on top of that you add Chandler who is a young, all-around player that would sure up your defense and give you a nice piece at the 3.

Adding a SF like that to your core of Evans, K-Mart and Thompson would look pretty nice IMO. As for Curry, at the very least he gives you a much better option off the bench than any of your other bigs behind Hawes, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting games at some point if he can return to his old form. On top of that, you guys don't seem to be in the hunt for a FA in 2010 and Eddy's contract expires after next year anyway. Unless your owner is weary of spending extra money which the current Dalembert rumor signals he doesn't, this isn't a very big risk for you guys. Despite the bad rep Curry has right now, IMO, he'd be a small price to pay for a nice pickup like Chandler who fits perfectly with your team.

Most Knick fans would probably say no to this, but especially at this point in the season where the Knicks are 1-9 and looking terrible, I think it's more important for us to clear that extra cap for 2010 to lure a second max FA. What do you guys think?

^Please don't disrespect the intelligence of kings fans, we have no use for curry, we need a good shot blocker with movable contract, so if things doesn't work out we still can use him as trading chip in the off season to land a good free agent( via sign-and-trade)....


Dalembert is ok, but i rather Go after Dan Gadzuric....

[RIPskaterdude]

Agreed! I have wanted the Kings to get Gadzuric for a while, and I don't think we would need to give up too much to get him (he's not worth a straight up expiring).

[rpa]

I'm interested to see.....what if the Knicks traded places with the Sixers in this deal and Sacramento got Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler instead of just Dally?

Even when he's in shape Eddy Curry is one of the worst players in the league. Why do the Kings want him again? He does absolutely NOTHING for us. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't spread the floor, he can't pass, he can't shoot free throws, he doesn't block shots, he doesn't alter shots, he doesn't create turnovers. The ONLY thing Curry does is score at a reasonable FG% when you feed him in the post. That's it.

Even if you disregard costs I'd rather have Kenny Thomas & Brockman over Eddy Curry. Once you add in cost Curry is a complete and utter joke.

As for Wilson Chandler: I know Knick fans thought he was a future allstar before the year started but like I said a number of times: he just ain't that good.

[ICMTM]

I'd rather KEEP Kenny Thomas than have Dalembert. The more I think about it the more I'm not too mad at the idea of keeping Thomas and resigning him for the vets minimum next year.

I understand Okafur but this one I don't like.

[rpa]

One other thing about Dalembert:

There are only 2 positives I see from a trade like this:
1) It gives us a backup center, something that we really don't have now, who can challenge some shots and rebound (can't do much else though).
2) I'd say it could be a buy low and hope to sell high situation. Dalembert's played well in the past (thus why he has his current contract--well that and the stupidity of Philly's management) and his value is probably at an all time low right now. Who knows, maybe he flourishes in a backup role and the Kings sell high on him later on.


Still, though, I'm really against this trade unless the Kings are also picking up some kind of other asset (decent draft pick--i.e. not a 2nd rounder, young player, etc.)

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Ehhhhhhh.... isn't Dalembert just a two year contract? Idk. Saves us from Noci's poor longer term deal.

[perezident]

Here's my take on the situtation:

This is not even a plausable deal imho. This shoots the cap room like a drive by. I think we all have come up with an unspoken rule here in this forum. When Kenny plays terrible we hate him and want him to go far away from this team; when he plays solid that is, rebounding, good defense, hustle plays -- we love him and as ICMTM says "keep him around and offer him the vet's mim".

Yes our need is at the Center spot. But Sammy's not the answer. And at this point -- where we're playing solid-- I wouldnt trade Kenny and Noc together for Dally. I just don't know WHY we cant formulate a trade with the three teams being Sac/C's/NO. Send Noc to C's; Kenny and the C's capspace to NO with a pick, and we acquire Okafor and Armstrong.

Lineup (when healthy)
Okafor/Armstrong/May
JT/Hawes/Brock
Cisco/Donte
Martin/Casspi
Evans/Beno/SerRod

Petrie has to figure something out and "be patient" like he always preaches. Continue to field offers for Noc. And for God's sake please don't trade BENO!!

[JSrose115]

Ehhhhhhh.... isn't Dalembert just a two year contract? Idk. Saves us from Noci's poor longer term deal.

i think people are complaining more of what he can bring to the table in terms of talent than contract, i personally am all for this trade, maybe get more in return for noc, but k9 for dalembert is good for me. jr giddens is really nothing more than a highflyer, he can defend, but i dont see him getting much floor time.

[truth serum]

I'm interested to see.....what if the Knicks traded places with the Sixers in this deal and Sacramento got Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler instead of just Dally?

Even when he's in shape Eddy Curry is one of the worst players in the league. Why do the Kings want him again? He does absolutely NOTHING for us. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't spread the floor, he can't pass, he can't shoot free throws, he doesn't block shots, he doesn't alter shots, he doesn't create turnovers. The ONLY thing Curry does is score at a reasonable FG% when you feed him in the post. That's it.

Even if you disregard costs I'd rather have Kenny Thomas & Brockman over Eddy Curry. Once you add in cost Curry is a complete and utter joke.

As for Wilson Chandler: I know Knick fans thought he was a future allstar before the year started but like I said a number of times: he just ain't that good.

Ouch...you have a sharp tongue. You must feel cool, huh?

Look wise guy, it's not like I'm trying to trick you guys into saying yes to the trade lol. Obviously none of you have any power in the Kings' front office and I doubt Petrie as a Realgm account. Like I said, I just wanted to see what you guys thought about it. Unfortunately, you're the only one who has responded and unfortunately, you had to be a d*ck face about it which I guess is your internet gimmick so I'll let you have your shine. I think you're wrong about Chandler but I won't argue your points. Have a nice day.

[rpa]

Ouch...you have a sharp tongue. You must feel cool, huh?

Look wise guy, it's not like I'm trying to trick you guys into saying yes to the trade lol. Obviously none of you have any power in the Kings' front office and I doubt Petrie as a Realgm account. Like I said, I just wanted to see what you guys thought about it. Unfortunately, you're the only one who has responded and unfortunately, you had to be a d*ck face about it which I guess is your internet gimmick so I'll let you have your shine. I think you're wrong about Chandler but I won't argue your points. Have a nice day.

If the truth about Eddy Curry hurts maybe you shouldn't be going to other teams' boards asking about him.