The thoughts on Evans thread

[rpa]

I've seen a lot of "Evans for ROY", etc. type threads but haven't really seen any general Evans threads so I figured I'd start one. Feel free to put your thoughts on Evans in this thread.


Through just under 1/4 of the season here are my thoughts on Evans, including his strengths, weaknesses, projection, & what I think he really needs to focus:


Strengths:
1) Attacking the basket. As we all know, Evans has been a monster attacking the basket just about whenever he wants to and on anybody. He doesn't have the quickness of a Wade or a Lebron and he doesn't body his way to the spot he wants but the guy is slippery smooth and can seemingly break down any defender with ease and get to where he wants on the floor.
2) Basketball IQ. When he came into the league I had Evans pegged as a guy who could probably play point in stretches but would never really amount to a full time PG because I believed he had a scorer's mentality (and had been taught as such since high school) and wasn't one of the super high b-ball IQ players that could change. I was wrong. To me, one of the markers of a high b-ball IQ player is how often he makes bad decisions. Watching Evans play, I very rarely see him make a bad decision or take a horrendous shot. Sometimes I'll cringe when he takes a long jumper but, more often than not, he hits it. For a rookie to be playing with so few mistakes (relatively) is amazing to me.
3) Size. For a PG he's an absolute giant and has the arms of Mr. Fantastic. This gives him the ability to play top notch defense and flat out bully the opposing PG at will. Over the years I could definitely see Evans developing a post game and taking his man into the block every so often.

Weaknesses:
1) Aggression. Evans is a very aggressive player when he has the ball in his hands but there are times when I feel he goes to long playing passively (particularly with respect to demanding the ball). Think of Wade on the Heat or Lebron on the Cavs; there's no way either of these guys watch their teams go through an offensive drought without demanding the ball and willing some points to end the drought. Evans, at times, let's this happen. It's good that he's willing to try and play off the ball and not force it but I think he needs to learn that there's a time when he needs to say "give me the ball and get the hell out of my way".
2) Fouling. Particularly over the past few games I've noticed that Evans has a propensity for picking up some bad fouls and rather quickly. There was one play in particularly that caught my eye. In the 2nd half of the game Evans was guarding Wade at the top of the key. Wade got by Evans going to his (Wade's) right and Evans either used his hands to play D or wrapped him up purposely (I couldn't tell which). This tells me one of 2 things: a) He's playing more defense with his hands than he should (fairly common coming out of college) or b) He's going the "smart veteran" move of wrapping up a player when points are all but assured. While (b) shows basketball IQ I actually have a problem with it. Rarely do you see guys like Kobe and Lebron wrap up their man like that. Why? Because they know that them being on the floor is paramount to the team's success. If it were Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Anthony Parker doing it it'd be great. But you can't have your star picking up cheap fouls at the cost of a couple points.
3) Long range game. Right now, Evans is just a poor outside shooter--basically on 3pters and "Mitch Richmond 3pters" (toe/foot on the line). I have a feeling that Evans' biggest cold streak this season is going to be due to this part of his game (and the next thing I'll mention in #4). Teams are going to start playing WAY off him and daring him over and over and over to shoot the 3. They're going to crowd & pack the lane (they already do) to show him that they aren't going to let him get to the basket--to tell him: we DARE you to shoot it.
4) Mid range game. For the most part, when Evans attacks he's doing to the rim for a layup or he's pulling up for a 5 footer. Rarely does he ever think to make space and then pull up for a 12-15 foot jump shot. This is one of the things that has made Wade such a good player. Because you have to respect his ability to get into the lane (and to pass) but you also have to respect his ability to pull up from midrange and hit the jumper.

What Tyreke needs to improve upon (in order):
1) Mid range game. I think he can get by being a 30-32% 3pt shooter for the time being but only if he learns to pull up and take midrange jump shots (and make them consistently) to keep the defense honest. The reason I think this is the #1 thing he needs to improve is because getting better from 10-16 feet is a LOT easier than getting better from twice that distance (3pters) and developing either one (midrange or a 3pt game) is going to keep the defense honest enough to open up the lane for him to attack.
2) Fouling. The simplest way I can put it: he needs to stay on the floor. Don't wrap up guys if they're going to definitely score. Two points isn't worth missing Evans for 10 minutes in a half because of foul trouble.
3) Aggression. Demand the ball when the team is cold. Because if you don't, Nocioni is going to take an ugly ass jumper. Did you know that God kills a kitten every time Nocioni takes a jumper?
4) 3pt shooting. I don't think he needs to develop this so soon in his career because there are other ways to keep defenders honest. However, I think eventually he needs to become competent/average for a couple reasons. The primary reasons being because of how 3pters can change momentum in a game and how 3pt shooting is extremely important when you're down very late in a game. If the Kings are down 3 with 5 seconds left can you really put the ball in Evans' hands?

Projection:
When Evans entered the league I pegged him as a Larry Hughes type. I wasn't even close. Over the past month and a half I've seen people call him a Roy/JJ hybrid, a Lebron-lite, & a Wade-lite. After a quarter of the season I'd say the last 2 comparisons are looking pretty good--but only if you take away Lebron's epic court vision & athleticism (and Wade's athleticism as well).


In closing, new nickname for Evans: Mr. Fantastic.

[Smills91]

Pretty spot on...the thing that HAS impressed me the most about Evans that I didn't know he had, was that he's actually a DECENT perimeter shooter. For all the scouts saying how poor of a shooter he is, he isn't half bad. In fact, I see the potential there for him to become a lethal shooter. He's jut a fabulous scorer.

Totally agree on the mid-range game though. If he can learn to pull up and hit the shot from anywhere, there's no stopping this guy. I do think, however, he's just as 'quick' as D-Wade with less leaping ability(but more height and a longer wingspan). To project him to being a D-Wade-lite is a little low IMO. He's already D-Wade-lite. I think he could turn into another D-Wade caliber player. He's been THAT good, and I think Martin next to him CAN make him THAT much better as I think PW will adjust the offense to have Reke dominate the ball more and have K$ be more opportunistic in his scoring(Less volume).

[KF10]

I really like Evans now. I love the kid.

He already solidified that in his first couple of games. But before the NBA draft, I had somewhat bad vibes towards Evans (but knowing that he is very talented). Evans was a very close 2nd behind my draft board fwiw. I thought he is going to be very ball dominant player and an inefficient scorer for the most part. But as I collected more data and watching the kid play, Evans changed my entire view about him.

Evans' feel of the game is beyond his years. His general basketball IQ and decision making attributes are high for a rookie. And as we know, he is a freak at going to the basket and assert his will. Outstanding defensive potential based on his length, strength and defensive foundation. He is arguably the best defensive player in this draft already.

I think his athleticism is somewhat understated. Yeah, he isn't an elite high leaper like LBJ or Wade but I think he has enough athleticism to be total game changer combined his style of game. I always describe Evans' athleticism as "quiet explosive". Similar to guys like Kevin Martin and Brandon Roy. Both guys rarely use their peak athleticism on a consistent basis during games. But these guys are athletic as hell when they need to use it.

Evans' shooting in general is actually better than I have envisioned. Like Smills said, he has the potential to become a very good shooter.

I think Evans' need to develop a consistent mid range game. Like you said, every elite offensive players practically has this in their repertoire. I think as Evans' develop, you will see a consistent one soon. When he does, boy oh boy! He is going to be special player.

[rpa]

Pretty spot on...the thing that HAS impressed me the most about Evans that I didn't know he had, was that he's actually a DECENT perimeter shooter. For all the scouts saying how poor of a shooter he is, he isn't half bad. In fact, I see the potential there for him to become a lethal shooter. He's jut a fabulous scorer.

I wouldn't call him a DECENT perimeter shooter yet. I mean, the guy's shooting 28% from 3pt range currently; I honestly wouldn't call that "decent" (or even relatively close to decent).

This doesn't really concern his percentages or ability to hit the shot but my God his shot is fugly.

I do think, however, he's just as 'quick' as D-Wade with less leaping ability(but more height and a longer wingspan).

I think he's more crafty than Wade is but just not as quick. To me, Wade (and other really quick guys) have the ability to get by their man with 2 moves or less (usually less actually) whereas with Tyreke it usually takes him a few more than that to get to his spots. I think in the end it doesn't matter so much but I just don't see him as being as quick as Wade is.

To project him to being a D-Wade-lite is a little low IMO. He's already D-Wade-lite.

Disagree. I think Evans' lack of aggression at times and his lack of a midrange game eliminate him from "already being" a Wade-lite kind of player. Those are 2 big parts of who Wade is and why he's so good--so much so that I think that because they're such big holes in Evans game he can't be called Wade-lite until he brings those 2 skills up.

I'm not entirely sure he reaches Wade status, just because Wade is one of the best couple players in the league. I mean, I think it's really premature to say that Evans will be THAT good. However, I think saying he can be a lite version of Wade, given that he plays a similar game, is realistic at this point.

I think he could turn into another D-Wade caliber player. He's been THAT good, and I think Martin next to him CAN make him THAT much better as I think PW will adjust the offense to have Reke dominate the ball more and have K$ be more opportunistic in his scoring(Less volume).

If Martin plays his role correctly we could see Mr. Fantastic putting up even better numbers. The 2 things Martin should do for MF:
1) Force defenses to stay at home on at least ONE outside shooter. Defenses would love for guys like Greene, Clankioni, & Hawes to shoot 20 footers all game long (contested or not). But add in Martin and suddenly the defense can't completely collapse. Hopefully this opens the lane up more for Evans.
2) If Martin plays more off-ball as he's done in the past it could lead to more assists for Evans.

[Smills91]

Pretty spot on...the thing that HAS impressed me the most about Evans that I didn't know he had, was that he's actually a DECENT perimeter shooter. For all the scouts saying how poor of a shooter he is, he isn't half bad. In fact, I see the potential there for him to become a lethal shooter. He's jut a fabulous scorer.

I wouldn't call him a DECENT perimeter shooter yet. I mean, the guy's shooting 28% from 3pt range currently; I honestly wouldn't call that "decent" (or even relatively close to decent).

This doesn't really concern his percentages or ability to hit the shot but my God his shot is fugly.

I do think, however, he's just as 'quick' as D-Wade with less leaping ability(but more height and a longer wingspan).

I think he's more crafty than Wade is but just not as quick. To me, Wade (and other really quick guys) have the ability to get by their man with 2 moves or less (usually less actually) whereas with Tyreke it usually takes him a few more than that to get to his spots. I think in the end it doesn't matter so much but I just don't see him as being as quick as Wade is.

To project him to being a D-Wade-lite is a little low IMO. He's already D-Wade-lite.

Disagree. I think Evans' lack of aggression at times and his lack of a midrange game eliminate him from "already being" a Wade-lite kind of player. Those are 2 big parts of who Wade is and why he's so good--so much so that I think that because they're such big holes in Evans game he can't be called Wade-lite until he brings those 2 skills up.

I'm not entirely sure he reaches Wade status, just because Wade is one of the best couple players in the league. I mean, I think it's really premature to say that Evans will be THAT good. However, I think saying he can be a lite version of Wade, given that he plays a similar game, is realistic at this point.

I think he could turn into another D-Wade caliber player. He's been THAT good, and I think Martin next to him CAN make him THAT much better as I think PW will adjust the offense to have Reke dominate the ball more and have K$ be more opportunistic in his scoring(Less volume).

If Martin plays his role correctly we could see Mr. Fantastic putting up even better numbers. The 2 things Martin should do for MF:
1) Force defenses to stay at home on at least ONE outside shooter. Defenses would love for guys like Greene, Clankioni, & Hawes to shoot 20 footers all game long (contested or not). But add in Martin and suddenly the defense can't completely collapse. Hopefully this opens the lane up more for Evans.
2) If Martin plays more off-ball as he's done in the past it could lead to more assists for Evans.

Not all perimeter shooting is 3 point shooting..he's taken AND MAKEN a lot of 18-22 footers. I don't think he has the 23-24 foot range down yet, but the fact that he hits the long two ball relatively consistently shows me he's a decent PERIMETER shooter.

[KF10]

I have to agree with Smills here. He has been awesome making 16-23 foot shots. If you look at this:

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Tyreke%20Evans
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

In the hoopdata link, he is hitting at a 48% FG clip on those shots. And that is a very high percentage. I skim through other players with respectable mid range games, oddly enough, Evans is doing much better percentage-wise than those player iirc.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Using those stats KF10, I see a tiny point I've argued since the beginning of the season - why Martin will do well with Tyreke. Tyreke is obviously very strong going to the basket - 57% shooting at the rim - and when he does pass, which he does well when driving to the rim - he gets 1.8 assists per game from guys making threes. I expect that to go up with Martin, especially if Tyreke drives the side with Martin on it and Martin's defense shakes off to help stop Evans.

Tyreke's midrange game is pretty solid. He doesn't really shoot any shots that aren't at the rim or are less than 16 or so feet out - <10 feet he shoots only 1.4 a game, and 10-15 feet he shoots just .4 a game, lol. But his distance shot looks good.

Honestly, he's already surpassed my expectations. It's hard to say who he plays like. He's not as crazy athletic as Wade, but he is more atheltic than most people give him credit for. He'll be the same kind of star Brandon Roy is IMO, and I love it.

[pillwenney]

I have to agree with Smills here. He has been awesome making 16-23 foot shots. If you look at this:

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Tyreke%20Evans
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

In the hoopdata link, he is hitting at a 48% FG clip on those shots. And that is a very high percentage. I skim through other players with respectable mid range games, oddly enough, Evans is doing much better percentage-wise than those player iirc.

Wow, I didn't totally realize that, but he is really money with those long 2's--or at least he has been so far. That's awesome. If he can just work on extending that range a bit, that guy is going to be incredible.

Anyway, some other notes:

-His playmaking has been really impressive in most instances so far. He really often shows a great ability when he penetrates to see exactly where the defense is and to make the right pass in a pinch. Having said that, he can still get a lot better, and he almost certainly will with time. I think we kind of saw the difference between where he is, and where he can be just last night. Wade's playmaking (and to be fair, the fact that his teammates were shooting incredibly well) was a big difference-maker in that game. Tyreke has the talent to be that kind of playmaker. You can really see it on given plays. But he's not quite there yet, and he still will have to work very hard to get there.

-Turnovers - As great as he has been, he still makes some rookie mistakes. I think he's been called for palming more than any player I've ever seen--which kind of sucks since that could be called about 10 times as much as it is within any NBA game. But it's still something he needs to work on, because it's so easily fixable, and it accounts for a chunk of his turnovers. The interesting thing is that, right now, his ast/TO doesn't look great, but not too many of those TO's are really coming from bad playmaking. They are just coming from some rookie mistakes. If eliminates those, he can probably get to a 2/1 Ast/TO ratio. That's still not great, but it's an improvement.

-Regarding his outside shot, I think part of the problem is that it often looks bad. A lot of his misses are bad, bad misses. And he does appear to look like something of a ball-stopper every now and then. Let's be honest. Part of it is that the team seems to stand still when he has the ball. Often, he is still able to make something out of it, but that is nonetheless something the whole team needs to work on. Part of it is just continuing to look to improve the system and to institute an offense.

-One thing that I love is that Tyreke is a little selfish. I think we can agree on that to an extent, and I think that is often one of the markings of a superstar player (along with the necessary talent, obviously). You have to be a little selfish. I agree that he could be more aggressive at times, but at times he gets a little too much tunnel vision, and he makes a bad play because of it. But it's the kind of thing that, in the long run, will be a good thing. We see it at the end of games. The guy wants that last shot, and he knows he's going to make it. Which of course leads me to the fact that he has mostly been very clutch so far. Even the shots that often don't fall for him in other parts of the game fall for him in the final minutes. That's a great, great sign.

[cdt3]

Yes we do really need Martin back because the paint is getting packed with defenders and it is also hurting Thompson who is having the same crowd of hands on entry passes.

Evans has been really what the Kings needed as far as their best crunch time performer since Bibby. Evans also really doesn't do little things like a rookie. Evans is very good at saving his energy for late game success. He will only dunk if the team really needs a big one or to set a tone. He never wastes energy on things that won't help his team win and saves his energy for winning a game late.

He still needs to work on getting the bigs easy baskets to get their confidence going but that is really the most pressing issue for him.

[BlzSldr8692]

hey everyone this is actually my first post on RealGM but i have seen all of you guys for like the last two years so im not a newbie i get how it all works lol. anyways back on topic, i have loved Evans development so far he really has impressed me. i was a big Rubio fan but we def won with this pick. needs to improve that jumper but damn can he just score at will!! his fouling does bug me at times, but he cant be perfect i suppose. yay first post over, this feels great heres to more awesome discussion about my favorite sports team

[Wolfay]

One thing I don't think anybody has mentioned yet is how good of a defender he is. I remember one night in particular he was guarding Chris Paul. CP3 was still hitting shots, but Tyreke SEVERELY limited his ability to make plays for others. He had only 4 assists that night which is far below what he usually averages, and you could clearly see the look of frustration on CP3's eyes.

Tyreke's length and his natural feel for the game allows him to be a real force on the defensive end.

[KF10]

One thing I don't think anybody has mentioned yet is how good of a defender he is. I remember one night in particular he was guarding Chris Paul. CP3 was still hitting shots, but Tyreke SEVERELY limited his ability to make plays for others. He had only 4 assists that night which is far below what he usually averages, and you could clearly see the look of frustration on CP3's eyes.

Tyreke's length and his natural feel for the game allows him to be a real force on the defensive end.

I remember making various claims specifically about that. I'm glad that someone saw that too. I looked up how much sub-4 assists type games that Paul had throughout his career, iirc it was only like 4 games out of his career! Evans was great defensively to limit Paul's playmaking abilities.

[KF10]

hey everyone this is actually my first post on RealGM but i have seen all of you guys for like the last two years so im not a newbie i get how it all works lol. anyways back on topic, i have loved Evans development so far he really has impressed me. i was a big Rubio fan but we def won with this pick. needs to improve that jumper but damn can he just score at will!! his fouling does bug me at times, but he cant be perfect i suppose. yay first post over, this feels great heres to more awesome discussion about my favorite sports team

Welcome to the board!

[SadKingsFan]

This team really excites me and of course Tyreke In particular. The guy is just so much better than i imagined. With the way people were talking about his jumpshot before the season, i was expecting him to be a terrible shooter but he has really surprised me with his quick improvement in that area. The main thing i love about the guy is his all around abilities...i mean the guy just fills the stat sheet so effortlessly, and we haven't had a player like that in a LONG time.

Maybe since good old # 4 Left town.

[OGSactownballer]

I think that we are all so desperate for a star here in Sac that we miss somethiing very important when we are dissecting his game...HE'S A FRIGGIN ROOKIE AND ONLY 19!!!

I have to disagree with the assesments as a Wade-lite. Wade has made himself into a much more skill player than when he came in the league, but his game still starts and ends with his speed and athleticism. Tyreke isn't like that. He has the tools and skills that make it so that he can be great at ANY aspect of basketball that he wants to at that moment. I can see the comparison to Roy - NOW - but really if I had to pick one player that I would call him a lite version of, it would be Kobe. Now I know that is going to bring out the flamethrowers, but the overall ability to be the BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER ON THE COURT is what I am seeing. I don't think that he has Kobe's athleticism, and obviously he has some developmental time to go on his shot (not at all unusual for a 19 year old rookie), but who else at that size has that inate ability to take over WHATEVER aspect of a game needs to be dominated. I predict that by the time he is 25 he WILL be one of the top 5 players in the game - and you can sig that all you want!

[XeOnagain]

Pretty spot on...the thing that HAS impressed me the most about Evans that I didn't know he had, was that he's actually a DECENT perimeter shooter. For all the scouts saying how poor of a shooter he is, he isn't half bad. In fact, I see the potential there for him to become a lethal shooter. He's jut a fabulous scorer.

I wouldn't call him a DECENT perimeter shooter yet. I mean, the guy's shooting 28% from 3pt range currently; I honestly wouldn't call that "decent" (or even relatively close to decent).

This doesn't really concern his percentages or ability to hit the shot but my God his shot is fugly.

I do think, however, he's just as 'quick' as D-Wade with less leaping ability(but more height and a longer wingspan).

I think he's more crafty than Wade is but just not as quick. To me, Wade (and other really quick guys) have the ability to get by their man with 2 moves or less (usually less actually) whereas with Tyreke it usually takes him a few more than that to get to his spots. I think in the end it doesn't matter so much but I just don't see him as being as quick as Wade is.

To project him to being a D-Wade-lite is a little low IMO. He's already D-Wade-lite.

Disagree. I think Evans' lack of aggression at times and his lack of a midrange game eliminate him from "already being" a Wade-lite kind of player. Those are 2 big parts of who Wade is and why he's so good--so much so that I think that because they're such big holes in Evans game he can't be called Wade-lite until he brings those 2 skills up.

I'm not entirely sure he reaches Wade status, just because Wade is one of the best couple players in the league. I mean, I think it's really premature to say that Evans will be THAT good. However, I think saying he can be a lite version of Wade, given that he plays a similar game, is realistic at this point.

I think he could turn into another D-Wade caliber player. He's been THAT good, and I think Martin next to him CAN make him THAT much better as I think PW will adjust the offense to have Reke dominate the ball more and have K$ be more opportunistic in his scoring(Less volume).

If Martin plays his role correctly we could see Mr. Fantastic putting up even better numbers. The 2 things Martin should do for MF:
1) Force defenses to stay at home on at least ONE outside shooter. Defenses would love for guys like Greene, Clankioni, & Hawes to shoot 20 footers all game long (contested or not). But add in Martin and suddenly the defense can't completely collapse. Hopefully this opens the lane up more for Evans.
2) If Martin plays more off-ball as he's done in the past it could lead to more assists for Evans.

Not all perimeter shooting is 3 point shooting..he's taken AND MAKEN a lot of 18-22 footers. I don't think he has the 23-24 foot range down yet, but the fact that he hits the long two ball relatively consistently shows me he's a decent PERIMETER shooter.

i agree with rpa. Smills91, can you back these claims up(tyreke's DECENT outside shot) with any sort of stats? because tyreke, although i think is a phenomenal player, no way has a decent game even between 18-22 footers. he bricks most of them. and counting the bricks i can say no, he's no way decent on his outside game. and no, he's not D-wade lite. his athletic ability is nowhere near Wade. he'll be Tyreke Evans, he'll find his game.

[pillwenney]

i agree with rpa. Smills91, can you back these claims up(tyreke's DECENT outside shot) with any sort of stats? because tyreke, although i think is a phenomenal player, no way has a decent game even between 18-22 footers. he bricks most of them. and counting the bricks i can say no, he's no way decent on his outside game. and no, he's not D-wade lite. his athletic ability is nowhere near Wade. he'll be Tyreke Evans, he'll find his game.

I have to agree with Smills here. He has been awesome making 16-23 foot shots. If you look at this:

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Tyreke%20Evans
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

In the hoopdata link, he is hitting at a 48% FG clip on those shots. And that is a very high percentage. I skim through other players with respectable mid range games, oddly enough, Evans is doing much better percentage-wise than those player iirc.

[Smills91]

I think he's more crafty than Wade is but just not as quick. To me, Wade (and other really quick guys) have the ability to get by their man with 2 moves or less (usually less actually) whereas with Tyreke it usually takes him a few more than that to get to his spots. I think in the end it doesn't matter so much but I just don't see him as being as quick as Wade is.

To project him to being a D-Wade-lite is a little low IMO. He's already D-Wade-lite.

Disagree. I think Evans' lack of aggression at times and his lack of a midrange game eliminate him from "already being" a Wade-lite kind of player. Those are 2 big parts of who Wade is and why he's so good--so much so that I think that because they're such big holes in Evans game he can't be called Wade-lite until he brings those 2 skills up.

I'm not entirely sure he reaches Wade status, just because Wade is one of the best couple players in the league. I mean, I think it's really premature to say that Evans will be THAT good. However, I think saying he can be a lite version of Wade, given that he plays a similar game, is realistic at this point.




If Martin plays his role correctly we could see Mr. Fantastic putting up even better numbers. The 2 things Martin should do for MF:
1) Force defenses to stay at home on at least ONE outside shooter. Defenses would love for guys like Greene, Clankioni, & Hawes to shoot 20 footers all game long (contested or not). But add in Martin and suddenly the defense can't completely collapse. Hopefully this opens the lane up more for Evans.
2) If Martin plays more off-ball as he's done in the past it could lead to more assists for Evans.

Not all perimeter shooting is 3 point shooting..he's taken AND MAKEN a lot of 18-22 footers. I don't think he has the 23-24 foot range down yet, but the fact that he hits the long two ball relatively consistently shows me he's a decent PERIMETER shooter.

i agree with rpa. Smills91, can you back these claims up(tyreke's DECENT outside shot) with any sort of stats? because tyreke, although i think is a phenomenal player, no way has a decent game even between 18-22 footers. he bricks most of them. and counting the bricks i can say no, he's no way decent on his outside game. and no, he's not D-wade lite. his athletic ability is nowhere near Wade. he'll be Tyreke Evans, he'll find his game.[/quote]

If you want to ignore facts and choose to be wrong, be my guest.

[Pearljam]

If he improves his jumpshot... it's over.

[Smills91]

If he improves his jumpshot... it's over.

Even if he doesn't, it's not looking good for the rest of the NBA, that's for sure.