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Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:59 am
by jerold182
So i spencer hawes in the doghouse for good? or is this part of a statement westphal is trying to make on this kid ?
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:29 pm
by Smills91
jerold182 wrote:So i spencer hawes in the doghouse for good? or is this part of a statement westphal is trying to make on this kid ?
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Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:12 pm
by darkadun
You know I was thinking the same thing. I think coach is was trying to send a statement to spencer that we need him to be a phsyical presence down low for us. Haywood was killing us in the 2nd half. At about the right time he brought spence in and other than that one play late, he seemed to keep haywood at bay.
Hopefully spence gets the point, he is the only legit C big we have to keep the haywoods and pryzbilla's at bay..lol
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:31 pm
by pillwenney
darkadun wrote:You know I was thinking the same thing. I think coach is was trying to send a statement to spencer that we need him to be a phsyical presence down low for us. Haywood was killing us in the 2nd half. At about the right time he brought spence in and other than that one play late, he seemed to keep haywood at bay.
Hopefully spence gets the point, he is the only legit C big we have to keep the haywoods and pryzbilla's at bay..lol
Haywood wasn't in when Spence was. Spence was playing against Blatche. He ended up getting burned a couple of times (Blatche made some nice shots), but he made some nice plays as well.
But yeah, I certainly don't think this is a permanent thing. Spencer just needs an over all attitude adjustment though. I think maybe he was too confident for his own good. I think it may have hurt his work ethic or something. But that's purely speculation on my part.
He can also only be in the dog house so much. Like we saw last night--at some point we just need use his size if nothing else.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:38 pm
by villatrynity154
exactly it would be stupid on the part of the coaching staff to maintain spencer in the dog house for an extended period of time cause of how valuable RIGHT now he is to the team....cause like someone on another thread said.....he's the only true center we have and at some point....we are gonna need what he brings to the table or else we are gonna lose more than we have to (and that would be considered tanking.....something the kings are above of since the start of THIS season)
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:23 pm
by ICMTM
Spencer Hawes plays like the cowardly lion! It's frustrating to watch.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:28 pm
by XeOnagain
he **** deserves it! this was actually evident since the summer league incident. this guy is NOT a hard woker, let's hope he becomes one...
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:05 pm
by Smills91
I just want Spencer to shoot those opens jumpers he has. He's a GREAT shooter. His confidence is lacking for some odd reason. If he took and made those 15-24 footers he'd be invaluable to us with Tyreke driving and dishing. It pulls the other teams center away from being goal tender. That's just such an important component of having Tyreke on our roster. A center and PF(JT does this) that can bring the big men away from the basket.
I'd rather watch Spencer chuck himself into rhythm, rather than Nocioni, because of this. I want to trade Noc for a burly, back-up Center(Nazr Mohammed anyone?) and those shots that Noc was taking and missing, let that be Spencer cuz we need to get all pistons firing simultaneously to move this team to the next level.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:35 pm
by villatrynity154
we know spencer can shoot.....but is he capable day in day out as a post player? when you have spencer on the floor with nocioni he forces spencer out of the top of the key.....in floor spacing when noci is on the floor spencer has to play the post......this forces spencer into not playing his game and maybe that is why we have seen such inconsistency out of him, and maybe that's where the problem with his release is (i remember someone on the casspi FT thread said his release from long range was off)......if spencer, through being forced by nocioni, can develop into a decent-solid post player, then think about it.....we have a center that can post you up and take the ball outside for the J......now that's priceless........then, having nocioni all this time would have been worth it, and hence a successfull trade....cause lets face it....what good is a center that can only shoot jumpers?
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:54 pm
by pillwenney
villatrynity154 wrote:we know spencer can shoot.....but is he capable day in day out as a post player? when you have spencer on the floor with nocioni he forces spencer out of the top of the key.....in floor spacing when noci is on the floor spencer has to play the post......this forces spencer into not playing his game and maybe that is why we have seen such inconsistency out of him, and maybe that's where the problem with his release is (i remember someone on the casspi FT thread said his release from long range was off)......if spencer, through being forced by nocioni, can develop into a decent-solid post player, then think about it.....we have a center that can post you up and take the ball outside for the J......now that's priceless........then, having nocioni all this time would have been worth it, and hence a successfull trade....cause lets face it....what good is a center that can only shoot jumpers?
Spencer absolutely is fully capable in the post. He's just not fed down there enough. Having said that, he also needs to get his confidence up,
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:57 pm
by XeOnagain
hawes=career backup
we should accept this fact IMO. He's soft, and has no work ethic. FAIL
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:22 pm
by pillwenney
XeOnagain wrote:hawes=career backup
we should accept this fact IMO. He's soft, and has no work ethic. FAIL
I just don't understand how someone can say this with any certainty about a 21-year-old that shows flashes of great talent.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:31 pm
by villatrynity154
mitchweber wrote:villatrynity154 wrote:we know spencer can shoot.....but is he capable day in day out as a post player? when you have spencer on the floor with nocioni he forces spencer out of the top of the key.....in floor spacing when noci is on the floor spencer has to play the post......this forces spencer into not playing his game and maybe that is why we have seen such inconsistency out of him, and maybe that's where the problem with his release is (i remember someone on the casspi FT thread said his release from long range was off)......if spencer, through being forced by nocioni, can develop into a decent-solid post player, then think about it.....we have a center that can post you up and take the ball outside for the J......now that's priceless........then, having nocioni all this time would have been worth it, and hence a successfull trade....cause lets face it....what good is a center that can only shoot jumpers?
Spencer absolutely is fully capable in the post. He's just not fed down there enough. Having said that, he also needs to get his confidence up,
yeah that's what i meant has he shown to be capable day in day out.....not yet.....maybe his inconsistency is due to the fact he doesn't want to play down low and is having trouble spacing himself with nocioni on the court.....if he would commit to the post for a while and show that he could be consistantly dependable in the post area then i consider that having nocioni on the team FOR NOW isn't such a bad idea......i don't want spencer to be over-confident with his jumper and want to overuse it in situations where he should post up but feels more comfortable shooting...
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:52 pm
by Smills91
XeOnagain wrote:hawes=career backup
we should accept this fact IMO. He's soft, and has no work ethic. FAIL
You should really know better by now. Seriously.Has he struggled this year, ABSOLUTELY. But a 21 year old career CENTER back-up? Com'n, he shown WAY too much promise even this season alone to be labeled that. Just a stupid comment on your part. (I call it the way it is). Hawes worked his tail off this past summer, or else you're calling Jon Brockman a liar. He's still 21 years old and needs to continually add muscle each off-season. It's obvious he's in a slump, because he's had games where he's shown he's capable of 20/10 and last season he was actually quite consistent. He's learning, adjusting and will be one of the top centers in the league in just a few short years, believe you me. You're foolish if you're writing Hawes off after 6 weeks, just derelict thoughts to think that.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:38 pm
by ICMTM
ICMTM wrote:Spencer Hawes plays like the cowardly lion! It's frustrating to watch.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:54 am
by KingInExile
ICMTM wrote:ICMTM wrote:Spencer Hawes plays like the cowardly lion! It's frustrating to watch.
I'll requote for truth!
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:42 am
by Smills91
Smills91 wrote:XeOnagain wrote:hawes=career backup
we should accept this fact IMO. He's soft, and has no work ethic. FAIL
You should really know better by now. Seriously.Has he struggled this year, ABSOLUTELY. But a 21 year old career CENTER back-up? Com'n, he shown WAY too much promise even this season alone to be labeled that. Just a stupid comment on your part. (I call it the way it is). Hawes worked his tail off this past summer, or else you're calling Jon Brockman a liar. He's still 21 years old and needs to continually add muscle each off-season. It's obvious he's in a slump, because he's had games where he's shown he's capable of 20/10 and last season he was actually quite consistent. He's learning, adjusting and will be one of the top centers in the league in just a few short years, believe you me. You're foolish if you're writing Hawes off after 6 weeks, just derelict thoughts to think that.
Seriously what? He said something stupid, I called him out on it. There was no name-calling, but I'll let you know if you say something stupid, which absolutely took place there.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:05 am
by rpa
Can we please put an end to the myth that Hawes is a good jumpshooter? I'm sure everyone watches him and will say "but his stroke looks so good" and sees him hit a jumper now and again and thinks that's the "real" Hawes but the FACTS aren't good:
eFG% on jumpshots this year: 33.8%
eFG% on jumpshots in 08-09: 40.2%
Most "good" jumpshooting bigs have an eFG% between 45% & 50% depending on if they step out to hit 3s or not.
If he wants to continue getting minutes in this league he needs to stop taking outside jump shots and get his ass in the post--if he wants to continue to take jumpers then he better get his ass into a gym and make sure he's going to hit them at a reasonable clip because right now he's looking at a similar eFG% on jumpshots as guys like Kenyon Martin & Elton Brand (2 guys who are NOT good jumpshooting bigs). Having even an iota of desire to rebound the ball would also help.
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:50 am
by jerold182
i think spencer should get more minutes now.....kenny thomas over spencer? i get what the coach is doing..but he should let spencer play... spencer is better than thomas no matter how bad spencer plays...come on...
Re: Hawes in the dog house for good?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:43 pm
by KingInExile
jerold182 wrote:i think spencer should get more minutes now.....kenny thomas over spencer? i get what the coach is doing..but he should let spencer play... spencer is better than thomas no matter how bad spencer plays...come on...
Hawes has had his opportunities and has flat out blew them off...much like he did summer league. And frankly there is one simple stat that makes KT the better choice over Hawes. KT is not allergic to rebounding. It's unacceptable for a 7-foot center to play more than 25 minutes a game and average less than 6 boards. Until he mans up and starts playing like a center is supposed to play, he deserves to park his ass on the pine.