Tracy McGrady

[Dustin5566]

Should we go after him? Great scorer/closer. HUGE expiring contract that could be flipped at the deadline for a really good player playing on a cash strapped team or a team looking to get into the 2010 frey

Martin
Nocioni
Thomas

for

McGrady
Cook

Evans
McGrady
Casspi
JT
Hawes

look good to me. If we got him we could become big time trade partners at the deadline or over the summer. I think his name would also bring people back to Arco sooner. He has looked good when given a chance to play this year and he says he is healthy and not even wearing a wrap on is knee.

[JSrose115]

too old and injury prone.

[Dustin5566]

too old and injury prone.

This trade is sort of like buying an old run down house, putting a little paint on it and flipping it to an eager buyer looking for some relief.

I could see his contract at the dealine be able to land someone like David West and possibly some other goood players/picks. We could look at players like Beasley as Miami will proabaly try to land Bosh. Possibilities are out there.

[Draino]

$23mil in expirings... I'm ALL FOR IT... I love T-Mac, yea he's not even close to what he was, and yea he is injury prone, but Martin is injury prone as well, but yea did I mention $23mil in expirings.... (come on petrie time to make up for the Webber trade)

[Dustin5566]

I did the math and if we did this trade we would only have 21 million in salaries next year, before signing draft picks. That is potentially upwards of 32 million in cap space (more or less depending on the cap number). Could be a very fun summer.

[OGSactownballer]

Unless you can get some kind of written promise from two of the top FA's, no way. We could very easily end up stuck with two second rate overpriced contracts here. I just don't see that type of guy intentionally coming to sign with us, so it's not worth what you give up.

[XeOnagain]

ummm, why would houston do this? No way MOrey trades for Nocioni, it is much better to just let T-Mac expire, or buy him out. If they are that stupid o do it, i'd say do this. but no way Houston takes on Andres Nocioni's ugly deal for that HUUGE expiring.

[Dustin5566]

ummm, why would houston do this? No way MOrey trades for Nocioni, it is much better to just let T-Mac expire, or buy him out. If they are that stupid o do it, i'd say do this. but no way Houston takes on Andres Nocioni's ugly deal for that HUUGE expiring.

It is the only trade i have seen that gives them a legit player (martin), but they need to take Nocioni which they have already came out and said they will take on multiyear deals in order to get rid of McGrady. Make no mistake, Houston wants him gone.

[rpa]

Unless you can get some kind of written promise from two of the top FA's, no way. We could very easily end up stuck with two second rate overpriced contracts here. I just don't see that type of guy intentionally coming to sign with us, so it's not worth what you give up.

+1

This whole "cap space is awesome" thing needs to stop. Let's look at the 2010 free agency class right now:

Top tier: Wade, Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Dirk, Yao (player option, doubtful to opt out)
2nd tier: Camby, Boozer, Manu, Rudy Gay (restricted), Luis Scola, Brendan Haywood, Tyrus Thomas, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Ray Allen
Role players: Ronnie Brewer (restricted), Randy Foye (restricted), Raymond Felton, Morrow (restricted I think)

Now, let's say the Kings did the trade and had 30 some-odd million in cap space. The minimum cap would be set around $40 mil so the Kings would need to use at LEAST $19mil or else they'd incur a penalty. The Kings aren't getting ANYONE in tier 1. In tier 2 or 3 they could probably get anyone except Manu if they overpay. So now the question is: would you pay $19mil combined, and on longterm contracts mind you, for any combination of tier 2 & 3 players? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Boozer doesn't fit the interior defense we need. Camby & Ray Allen are too old. Gay is a chucker. David Lee & Nate Robinson are allergic to defense. Scola isn't the defender we need. Haywood will be on the wrong side of 30. Thomas is decent, brings good defense & athleticism, but would you be comfortable paying him $8-10mil a year (his likely asking price) and HOPING he develops into a player who's worth that? The role players are decent but not spectacular at all. I'd consider Morrow but probably for something around the MLE or less but no more.

Basically, if you do this trade you're saying that you want the Kings to overpay for mediocre players.

[Dustin5566]

Unless you can get some kind of written promise from two of the top FA's, no way. We could very easily end up stuck with two second rate overpriced contracts here. I just don't see that type of guy intentionally coming to sign with us, so it's not worth what you give up.

+1

This whole "cap space is awesome" thing needs to stop. Let's look at the 2010 free agency class right now:

Top tier: Wade, Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Dirk, Yao (player option, doubtful to opt out)
2nd tier: Camby, Boozer, Manu, Rudy Gay (restricted), Luis Scola, Brendan Haywood, Tyrus Thomas, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Ray Allen
Role players: Ronnie Brewer (restricted), Randy Foye (restricted), Raymond Felton, Morrow (restricted I think)

Now, let's say the Kings did the trade and had 30 some-odd million in cap space. The minimum cap would be set around $40 mil so the Kings would need to use at LEAST $19mil or else they'd incur a penalty. The Kings aren't getting ANYONE in tier 1. In tier 2 or 3 they could probably get anyone except Manu if they overpay. So now the question is: would you pay $19mil combined, and on longterm contracts mind you, for any combination of tier 2 & 3 players? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Boozer doesn't fit the interior defense we need. Camby & Ray Allen are too old. Gay is a chucker. David Lee & Nate Robinson are allergic to defense. Scola isn't the defender we need. Haywood will be on the wrong side of 30. Thomas is decent, brings good defense & athleticism, but would you be comfortable paying him $8-10mil a year (his likely asking price) and HOPING he develops into a player who's worth that? The role players are decent but not spectacular at all. I'd consider Morrow but probably for something around the MLE or less but no more.

Basically, if you do this trade you're saying that you want the Kings to overpay for mediocre players.

It is not just about free agents, but also the ability to make trades. It opens up your options. Flipping him at the deadline could be explored also.

[rpa]

It is not just about free agents, but also the ability to make trades. It opens up your options. Flipping him at the deadline could be explored also.

First off, The Kings are already a good deal under next years cap (10-15mil pending what the cap comes in at and where our 1st round pick falls). That's more than enough flexibility for non-free agent moves (like taking back salary in exchange for a draft pick/prospect)

Second off, the Kings HAVE to use that space (or they get fined to the tune of the difference). Flexibility is great but what you're talking about actually ISN'T flexibility because the Kings are being forced to make moves necessary to hit the min cap.

Third, having $30mil in cap room is much more than flexibility. It's just huge overkill--like killing a mosquito with a bazooka.

Fourth, trading for a player with the intention (be it forced or just a possibility) of trading him later on is never a good idea and almost ALWAYS leads to you getting less than what you paid.

[Bac2Basics]

Trading for T-Mac boils down to what we'd have to give to get him.

He wouldn't be in the long term future of the team, so it would be entirely a salary cap move.

I wouldn't give up Martin to get him, as Martin may and probably is still in the long term future of the Kings.

If the bulk of the deal included Kenny Thomas and either Beno or Nocioni and maybe Garcia, well that would be worth consideration, but I wouldn't give up anyone real significant for him.


I also think that the idea that too much cap space isn't necesarily a good thing. Sacramento isn't exactly a destination most free agents would have in their top 3 or 4 choices, so unless we significantly overpay, we'd be signing guys that are going to be somewhat disappointing in comparison to the expectations of having that much cap space.

Who would you expect to sign were the Kings to have that kind of cap space that we'd have a realistic shot at?

[AnDrOiDKing4]

No.

Expiring dont mean **** if you cant draw a big name free agent.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

$23mil in expirings... I'm ALL FOR IT... I love T-Mac, yea he's not even close to what he was, and yea he is injury prone, but Martin is injury prone as well, but yea did I mention $23mil in expirings.... (come on petrie time to make up for the Webber trade)

We are paying 11 million a year for a guy that can go off for 50 any given night, and will get you 25-30 points a game. That is dirt cheap. He is a great off the ball player that can hit any shot.

Why are we trying to run him out of town ?

[cdt3]

Garcia/Nocioni/Thomas(EC) works and would be what Petrie would consider. Adelman knows Garcia and they need a backup SG. Noci can play backup 3/4/5. The Rockets would break McGrady into pieces like we did with Webber.They will likely have this group together for 3-5 years and are looking at role players to make the playoffs. Thomas' expiring would give the Rockets $8mil in expirings next year.

The Kings only have space for maybe 1 big guy free agent next year. How many touches a game will a free agent (like Amare) get with with Martin/Evans/JT all getting 12-15 touches? Add in an emerging Donte and Casspi plus a clutch Beno and where exactly are the touches for many FAs? There are only so many shots on an NBA roster. Also Garcia and Noci are more likely stuck here and will put up 10 a game. Where are the touches for free agents?

[Wolfay]

$23mil in expirings... I'm ALL FOR IT... I love T-Mac, yea he's not even close to what he was, and yea he is injury prone, but Martin is injury prone as well, but yea did I mention $23mil in expirings.... (come on petrie time to make up for the Webber trade)

We are paying 11 million a year for a guy that can go off for 50 any given night, and will get you 25-30 points a game. That is dirt cheap. He is a great off the ball player that can hit any shot.

Why are we trying to run him out of town ?

Why didn't he tonight? Oh yea, he's injured. Don't say any night when he doesn't even play every night. 11 mil for someone who's constantly injured isn't exactly "dirt cheap". Fair value MAYBE, but definitely not cheap.

That said, I'm sort of 50/50 on this deal. As others have said, you can have all the money in the world but it doesn't mean you'll sign anybody.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

You cant blame injury on a player. Hes been hurt yes, but atleast give the guy a chance with the a new young team, he finally doesnt have to carry the load, he wont have to rush into opposing defenses head on because he feels like he has to score by himself.

We need his shooting, we need his FTs.

[Wolfay]

You cant blame injury on a player. Hes been hurt yes, but atleast give the guy a chance with the a new young team, he finally doesnt have to carry the load, he wont have to rush into opposing defenses head on because he feels like he has to score by himself.

We need his shooting, we need his FTs.

We also need him healthy. I will give him a chance (I've said that repeatedly), but if he gets injured again, his contract isn't exactly a bargain, wouldn't you agree?

I know getting injured isn't necessarily his fault, but the fact still remains that he's missed considerable time the past three seasons including this one. Like it or not, missing games does factor into your value.

[SacTownKings4Life]

Ok, I'm kinda torn on this. On one hand, Tracy McGrady is one of my favorite players and I would love to see him in a Sacramento jersey. On the other hand, he's 30, has an injury-filled history, and we already have too many wing players as it is. But if somehow he DOES come "back" to optimum form, how scary would...

Evans
Martin
McGrady
Thompson
Hawes

look? Plus, if the experiment for whatever reason doesn't work, we can always just let him walk and receive a BOATLOAD of cap space for next summer. (again, unlikely that we actually SIGN anybody of significance, but still...)

The wiretap says that Houston simply wants to get rid of McGrady, perhaps at ANY cost. I've been fidling around with the trade checker, and it appears that there are 3 possible deals that might work.

Sacramento Sends:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Beno Udrih

Sacramento Receives:
Tracy McGrady

Trade ID #5348795

or

Sacramento sends:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Francisco Garcia

Sacramento Receives:
Tracy McGrady

Trade ID #5348796

or

Sacramento Sends:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Sean May
Sergio Rodriguez

Sacramento Receives:
Tracy McGrady

Trade ID #5348803
(not sure if you can trade 4 for 1 though)

I'd hate to part with Beno or Garcia right now, But I think if we could pull a Garnett-to-Boston/Gasol-to-L.A. type of deal (trash for a star), then why the heck not? Like I said we don't even have to worry about him next year AND we get cap space. It's probably not gonna ACTUALLY ever happen, but at least it's something interesting to talk about.

[XeOnagain]

Ok, I'm kinda torn on this. On one hand, Tracy McGrady is one of my favorite players and I would love to see him in a Sacramento jersey. On the other hand, he's 30, has an injury-filled history, and we already have too many wing players as it is. But if somehow he DOES come "back" to optimum form, how scary would...

Evans
Martin
McGrady
Thompson
Hawes

look? Plus, if the experiment for whatever reason doesn't work, we can always just let him walk and receive a BOATLOAD of cap space for next summer. (again, unlikely that we actually SIGN anybody of significance, but still...)

The wiretap says that Houston simply wants to get rid of McGrady, perhaps at ANY cost. I've been fidling around with the trade checker, and it appears that there are 3 possible deals that might work.

Sacramento Sends:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Beno Udrih

Sacramento Receives:
Tracy McGrady

Trade ID #5348795

or

Sacramento sends:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Francisco Garcia

Sacramento Receives:
Tracy McGrady

Trade ID #5348796

or

Sacramento Sends:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Sean May
Sergio Rodriguez

Sacramento Receives:
Tracy McGrady

Trade ID #5348803
(not sure if you can trade 4 for 1 though)

I'd hate to part with Beno or Garcia right now, But I think if we could pull a Garnett-to-Boston/Gasol-to-L.A. type of deal (trash for a star), then why the heck not? Like I said we don't even have to worry about him next year AND we get cap space. It's probably not gonna ACTUALLY ever happen, but at least it's something interesting to talk about.

why why why why why would Houston do this? Get real, Beno and Nocioni are awful contracts, Morey is not an idiot. The only way the do it is if we include Martin, which i supoort BTW, because he's ALWAYS injured.