Trade Martin? No!

SacTown Kings · Post #1 » by **SacTown Kings** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:33 am

Been away for a while but I am catching up and I keep seeing posts on here and the trade board continually talking about trading Martin. It seems like half the people here are willing to trade him for expiring contacts and/or a late lotto pick. I'm sorry if I offend anyone but this would be super stupid. I don't see why on earth we would want to trade Martin?

The main arguement seems to be that people don't think Martin and Evans can play together. Again, I'm not buying it. Sure Evans numbers went up and he started playing well when Martin went out but maybe it has more to do with him playing his first games as a pro, more so than Martin hindering him. You can't expect Evans to come in right away for the first 6 games and be a stud and you can't blame Martin because at the start of the season he was our #1 guy.

I think Martin is the perfect compliment for Evans. With Evans being able to post up and get into the lane who better on our team is there to kick it out to but Kmart. That is Kmart's strength. Waiting/moving on the wing waiting for ball so he can shoot or drive by his defender and get to the line. Kmart's strength is not being a play maker/leader which is what everyone wanted him to be. Now we have a playmaker and leader in Evans and Martin can go back to doing what he does best and thats shooting, getting the line, and being one of the best and efficient scorers in the league. And yea Martin doesn't play much defense but with Evans we can put Evans on the other teams best guard and let Martin take the less dangerous player, again this minimizes Martins weakness. I just think these two will make a great fit.

And does anyone really think that we are going to get anyone better than Martin through free agency or with a late lotto? Unless we get a big who is close to being an all star there is absoluting no reason to trade Martin, I think the notion is absurd. Evans and Martin will be one of the most deadly backcourts in the league.

longfellow44 · Post #2 » by **longfellow44** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:17 am

there aren't really many kings fans who are looking to trade martin for expirings + a late lotto. A lot of other teams fans keep posting low ball offers that are getting ridiculous. What most of us are looking for is to get a nice defensive big thats young enough to be part of our core. the other idea is to find a great young combo guard that is a good ball handler and able to hit the outside shot at a great clip.

The type of guys were looking at are
Eric Gordon
Al Jefferson
marc gasol

Those type of guys are what we are trying to get hopefully. I'm all for trading martin if we can get one of these guys simply because the fit will be perfect. Martin may still be great with Evans but his lack of ball handling ability is a slight issue because Evans seems to play his best next to Udrih who is able to pass shoot and drive effectively.

one of the big trades that we were talking about recently was this.

Kaman
Gordon
for
Martin
Hawes

It seemed to make a lot of sense and would make the kings much better right now and should still provide us with a great future.

The ideal guy that the kings fans are looking at is okafor. Who seems to potentially be available for an expiring contract and a little extra incentive.
The idea with this was that the kings would offer KT and something else for Okafor. IF we could do that then i'm not sure that trading martin would be a great idea, but if we don't get something like that then we should really consider moving him for a good bigman

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #3 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:52 am

We wont trade Martin.

Post #4 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:09 am

There are a million other Martin threads you could've posted your opinion in, however I will say that I find it funny how nearly every Martin-homer conveniently overlooks his constant injuries.

SacTownKings4Life · Post #5 » by **SacTownKings4Life** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:05 am

longfellow44 wrote:there aren't really many kings fans who are looking to trade martin for expirings + a late lotto. A lot of other teams fans keep posting low ball offers that are getting ridiculous. What most of us are looking for is to get a nice defensive big thats young enough to be part of our core. the other idea is to find a great young combo guard that is a good ball handler and able to hit the outside shot at a great clip.

Why not just get one in the draft? We got Brockman, didn't we? Why can't we get another bigger version? Ye of little draft faith... Why would you trade your unquestioned best scorer for somebody you HOPE will develop into a halfway decent player?

And don't we already HAVE a guard that's an ok ball handler and MORE THAN able to hit the outside shot at a great clip? Why on earth would you trade a guy when you know that you'll have to get ANOTHER guy to replace the guy that you just traded who ALREADY fits that description? Or am I just crazy?

Wolfay wrote:There are a million other Martin threads you could've posted your opinion in, however I will say that I find it funny how nearly every Martin-homer conveniently overlooks his constant injuries.

I find it funny how every Martin-basher, in pointing out his constant injuries, conveniently overlooks the fact that for 3 years we've been asking a 180 lb guy to be our end-all-be-all "savior" all by himself. Interesting...
Plus, Evans just got hurt too. Say something.

XeOnagain · Post #6 » by **XeOnagain** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:09 pm

Wolfay wrote:There are a million other Martin threads you could've posted your opinion in, however I will say that I find it funny how nearly every Martin-homer conveniently overlooks his constant injuries.

dude hasn't played more than 80 games in his CAREER and SacTownKings4Life still tries to explain he's not injury prne. its just sad.. oh and funny. the magnitude of the Martin man-crush really amazes me

Post #7 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:44 pm

SacTownKings4Life wrote:I find it funny how every Martin-basher, in pointing out his constant injuries, conveniently overlooks the fact that for 3 years we've been asking a 180 lb guy to be our end-all-be-all "savior" all by himself. Interesting...
Plus, Evans just got hurt too. Say something.

I'm not a Martin-basher (I just point out what everybody fails to see), and are you really going to compare the two injuries? Evans took a bad step rather than being made out of glass like guess who, and Evans has missed only a few games compared to most of the season like again, guess who.

You talk as though Martin's your brother or something.

khoffman3113 · Post #8 » by **khoffman3113** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:14 pm

So Martin definately can't stay healthy anymore? That's just gonna be a fact right? He's been hurt a lot lately so that trend will continue right? Look at Camby, he was injury prone for a long time, now he's been healthy a lot more in the past several seasons. Just wait and see what happens.

Post #9 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:39 pm

khoffman3113 wrote:So Martin definately can't stay healthy anymore? That's just gonna be a fact right? He's been hurt a lot lately so that trend will continue right? Look at Camby, he was injury prone for a long time, now he's been healthy a lot more in the past several seasons. Just wait and see what happens.

Everybody and their mother admits that Martin is injury prone. He's a risk to go down on any night. Can a small-market franchise like ours afford that risk?

Camby still gets injured and as a matter of fact, he's injured right now (knee). Some people just don't have the body that can take the abuse. Look at Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady.

bjax24 · Post #10 » by **bjax24** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:47 pm

I remember last time we traded a player that people cnstantly whined about as far as injuries go. Man, the kings were sure scary after the Webber trade. And to think a year earlier people wanted him gone as well due to good performance without him.

Post #11 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:04 pm

bjax24 wrote:I remember last time we traded a player that people cnstantly whined about as far as injuries go. Man, the kings were sure scary after the Webber trade. And to think a year earlier people wanted him gone as well due to good performance without him.

Are you really comparing Webber and Martin? Webber wasn't injury prone, so you're not even close buddy.

Just to be super duper clear, I have no problem giving Martin time. I just have my doubts, which I think are legitimate.

longfellow44 · Post #12 » by **longfellow44** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:09 pm

The main issue for me as far as Martin goes isnthat he's a poor ball handler if he had better handles and better passing abilities henwould be exactly the player we want next to Evans but he's not.

bjax24 · Post #13 » by **bjax24** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:21 pm

Wolfay wrote:
bjax24 wrote:I remember last time we traded a player that people cnstantly whined about as far as injuries go. Man, the kings were sure scary after the Webber trade. And to think a year earlier people wanted him gone as well due to good performance without him.

Are you really comparing Webber and Martin? Webber wasn't injury prone, so you're not even close buddy.

So how exactly was Webber not injury prone but Martin was?

Webber 67, 54, and 23 games played his last 3 full seasons here. Word of advice, next time you want to correct someone, actually know what you're talking about.

I am not comparing them as players, I am comparing them as far as the target they had on their back due to the injuries.

khoffman3113 · Post #14 » by **khoffman3113** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:51 pm

Wolfay wrote:
Everybody and their mother admits that Martin is injury prone. He's a risk to go down on any night. Can a small-market franchise like ours afford that risk?

Camby still gets injured and as a matter of fact, he's injured right now (knee). Some people just don't have the body that can take the abuse. Look at Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady.

I am not saying Martin isn't injury prone, just don't be so quick to rule out that he won't be able to stay healthy. Injuries are unpredictable. Him getting hurt so early in the season was the best thing to happen because we saw what Tyreke is capable of as the man. We have also seen what Martin can do as a 2nd option. So I like the possibilities and potential in the Martin and Evans backcourt.

Post #15 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:52 pm

bjax24 wrote:
Wolfay wrote:
bjax24 wrote:I remember last time we traded a player that people cnstantly whined about as far as injuries go. Man, the kings were sure scary after the Webber trade. And to think a year earlier people wanted him gone as well due to good performance without him.

Are you really comparing Webber and Martin? Webber wasn't injury prone, so you're not even close buddy.

So how exactly was Webber not injury prone but Martin was?

Webber 67, 54, and 23 games played his last 3 full seasons here. Word of advice, next time you want to correct someone, actually know what you're talking about.

I am not comparing them as players, I am comparing them as far as the target they had on their back due to the injuries.

Yea, let's just conveniently ignore Webber's other seasons of 42 (lockout season), 75 and 70! Martin has yet to have a season like that when he's had significant minutes. Webber was a game-changer, Martin isn't, so it's not fair to either to compare whatever targets they had/have on their back anyway.

a-rod · Post #16 » by **a-rod** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:59 pm

Rational thinkers they dont criticize a player because he constantly getting injured...

Welcome back SacTown Kings, and I agree with everything you said.

Post #17 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:59 pm

khoffman3113 wrote:
Wolfay wrote:
Everybody and their mother admits that Martin is injury prone. He's a risk to go down on any night. Can a small-market franchise like ours afford that risk?

Camby still gets injured and as a matter of fact, he's injured right now (knee). Some people just don't have the body that can take the abuse. Look at Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady.

I am not saying Martin isn't injury prone, just don't be so quick to rule out that he won't be able to stay healthy. Injuries are unpredictable. Him getting hurt so early in the season was the best thing to happen because we saw what Tyreke is capable of as the man. We have also seen what Martin can do as a 2nd option. So I like the possibilities and potential in the Martin and Evans backcourt.

I see what you're saying, but unfortunately, players who become injury prone tend to stay that way, so it's not a terrible stretch to assume that Martin will miss a significant amount of time in the future. I want to see him shake off that label as much as anyone, but the odds are against him. Besides, we've shown that we're quite capable without him anyway.

Post #18 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:02 pm

a-rod wrote:Rational thinkers they dont criticize a player because he constantly getting injured...

Welcome back SacTown Kings, and I agree with everything you said.

I curious to know what kind of contract you would be willing to give someone like Yao Ming. Would you give him a big contract considering the time he's missed, which includes an entire season?

Website · Post #19 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:12 pm

Watch us trade Martin for Big Z and a first.

bjax24 · Post #20 » by **bjax24** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:15 pm

Wolfay wrote:
Yea, let's just conveniently ignore Webber's other seasons of 42 (lockout season), 75 and 70! Martin has yet to have a season like that when he's had significant minutes. Webber was a game-changer, Martin isn't, so it's not fair to either to compare whatever targets they had/have on their back anyway.

I'm not conveniently forgetting anything. I am talking about the last 4 years.

TMac had a stretch or four years where he played 79, 77, 76, 75, had a lesser year of 67, and then 78, so does that make him not injury proned now? I was saying after the initial injury. Would I be "conveniently forgetting" those years if I said he is now injury proned? Webber the last 4 years as a king was injury prone.

And just for fun, Martin's first year wth real pt, at 27 mpg, 70 games played, the next year at 35 mpg, 80 games played.