Garcia/Martin

cdt3 · Post #1 » by **cdt3** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 12:25 am

I saw in the Bee today about Garcia practicing already. Martin is supposed to get his scan on the 10th and could be ready then. These guys could both be back in 1-2 weeks.

I am so excited because this team will play the second half with Martin and Garcia.

What if this team starts to gel with the whole team together? Right now, Evans and Beno can win games for us. When Martin and Garcia are back they can win some games too. Lookout for this team in the second half. Imagine JUST not missing some big free throws will improve the win column. Look for an improved second half out of this team.

Any predictions for the second half?

dozencousins · Post #2 » by **dozencousins** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 12:42 am

Reguardless when they come back nobody should expect alot from them right away Kmart will need likely as much as 5 games under his belt to start getting back into game shape , rythem with his shooting etc. & knowing what his other teammates will do !
Garcia will likely need more games i would guess around 10 as he has seen no action yet this year all things mentioned in reguards to Kmart applies to Garcia as well !

I am glad both will be back before the trade deadline as this will help Petrie as well as W.paul to eveluate who fits were into our teams future plans , team chemistry etc. & then he can assess possible trades based on those factors .
I don't see any significant trades done by our team until we have eveluated both KMART & GARCIA to see were they fit into our current system .
I like what the KINGS are doing as a whole I do not think anyone or coach on our team has to change anything to revolve around Kmart or Garcia It will be their job to fit into & around the current system we have now & they will have to adapt to our current starters & key role players at this point !

Post #3 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 1:08 am

There's not enough minutes to go around.

cdt3 · Post #4 » by **cdt3** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 1:52 am

The all star game is Feb 14th. Martin/Garcia will be playing at 100% by the end of Jan. This team still has time to make a playoff run.

If they make a run at the #8 spot in the playoffs this year they may not even trade anyone until the offseason.

Who knows with this team?

I can tell you this team has not had this kind of young depth since the Hedo/Peja/Wallace/Pollard days. That is a great problem to have.

dozencousins · Post #5 » by **dozencousins** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:44 am

WOLFAY agreed that basically is my point to Petrie & Westpal evaluating talent i believe Garcia is the odd man out when both KMART & he return
I truly believe either or both might be dealt this year or before next season
Martin i believe we will command alot for him if he is dealt
Garcia can be had i believe for a bit less with the emergence of GREEN & CASSPI

cdt3 · Post #6 » by **cdt3** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 3:15 am

Garcia can also play the 1/2/3 offensively, Noci the 3/4 offensively. Garcia and Nocioni are identical as shooters at the FT line or 3ptrs. Garcia can defend on the perimeter, Nocioni is better in the in the paint.

I would argue both Garcia and Noci are disposable because of our depth but they will have to keep one vet. Donte, Casspi, plus Brockman have made Noci's toughness disposable. Beno, Tyreke, Casspi and Donte made Garcia shooting disposable.

It may also boil down to who is interested either first.

deNIEd · Post #7 » by **deNIEd** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:18 am

cdt3 wrote:The all star game is Feb 14th. Martin/Garcia will be playing at 100% by the end of Jan. This team still has time to make a playoff run.

If they make a run at the #8 spot in the playoffs this year they may not even trade anyone until the offseason.

Who knows with this team?

I can tell you this team has not had this kind of young depth since the Hedo/Peja/Wallace/Pollard days. That is a great problem to have.

We will never go anywhere with the talent we have in our frontcourt.

Ya, playoffs maybe, but never come close to truly contending.

cuad · Post #8 » by **cuad** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:56 am

We'll never get anywhere if Tyreke keeps killing his ankles.

Post #9 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 5:02 am

cuad wrote:We'll never get anywhere if Tyreke keeps killing his ankles.

Opened your mouth too son buddy.

SacKingZZZ · Post #10 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 5:53 am

Wolfay wrote:There's not enough minutes to go around.

Pretty much. Unless they go really small and squish Hawes and Brockman, which better not happen!

No, there is only one way out of this pickle! Trade time!!!

SacKingZZZ · Post #11 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 5:57 am

deNIEd wrote:
We will never go anywhere with the talent we have in our frontcourt.

Ya, playoffs maybe, but never come close to truly contending.

Not true, especially if the bulk of our "talent" is situated in the backcourt or on the wing. Don't know if it will work but Tyreke is starting to really look like a number 1 option type and Martin as a 30ppg 2nd option??? Not too shabby. Stick a tough nosed defender/rebounder like Brockman at PF and a big space eater on defense in the middle and you might have a pretty decent shot if you have a solid 3rd wheel at SF.

deNIEd · Post #12 » by **deNIEd** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 7:46 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
deNIEd wrote:
We will never go anywhere with the talent we have in our frontcourt.

Ya, playoffs maybe, but never come close to truly contending.

Not true, especially if the bulk of our "talent" is situated in the backcourt or on the wing. Don't know if it will work but Tyreke is starting to really look like a number 1 option type and Martin as a 30ppg 2nd option??? Not too shabby. Stick a tough nosed defender/rebounder like Brockman at PF and a big space eater on defense in the middle and you might have a pretty decent shot if you have a solid 3rd wheel at SF.

Few things.

Martin won't be getting 30ppg. He's only done it this year, mainly because he took over our offense. He will be getting close to 22-25 pts...which is still good.

Currently, we don't have a "tough nosed defender/rebounder" or a "big space eater." Brockman will never be anything more than a 4th or 5th big off a contending team. Him as our starter would be a disaster...nothing against the guy, but it's just like no contending team would have Scott Pollard be a full season starter.

Currently we are simply lacking one other big. A defensive big (SideshowBob/Noah/Perkins) type player.

SacKingZZZ · Post #13 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:15 am

deNIEd wrote:
Few things.

Martin won't be getting 30ppg. He's only done it this year, mainly because he took over our offense. He will be getting close to 22-25 pts...which is still good.

Currently, we don't have a "tough nosed defender/rebounder" or a "big space eater." Brockman will never be anything more than a 4th or 5th big off a contending team. Him as our starter would be a disaster...nothing against the guy, but it's just like no contending team would have Scott Pollard be a full season starter.

Currently we are simply lacking one other big. A defensive big (SideshowBob/Noah/Perkins) type player.

Tsk-tsk, someone isn't paying attention.

Sometimes there's more than one way to skin a cat, especially when you have a unique tool for the job. A team with one of the few players to get you 20, 5, and 5 while also being one of...well...the most physically dominant PG and matching that up with one of the most efficient offensive players in the league in the backcourt has the potential to be one of those unique combination's. Maybe even one you build around based on need. Maybe even the kind where a Scot Pollard type finds a major role within. Stranger things have happened. You ever hear the term, "less is more".

And what did you think I meant by "big space eater."??? Maybe taking a step back overall in talent and satisfying a need to compliment other positions overloaded with talent is the way to go. You basically argued something that is apparently agreed upon, although I certainly disagree with the names, there's better options IMO.

Post #14 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 10:00 am

Do you guys think a guy like Brendan Haywood can be part of our core? I know he is a bit old (29 I think?) but he is an elite defensive player around the post, an awesome offensive rebounder and very good shot blocker. If I was the Kings, I will throw some money at him and bank on the fact that this team within 2-3 years is a playoff/contending-level.

perezident · Post #15 » by **perezident** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:43 pm

Haywood is trash KF10, lol a poor man's Kevin Willis lolol. Nahhh not that bad but he just doesnt do ANY thing for me.

darkadun · Post #16 » by **darkadun** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 7:25 pm

I think Martin/Garcia will help us out alot. Here is how I see it.

Martin will give our starting lineup a boost in scoring, which should help us from falling behind early, which we do to often. Then, you bring in Beno/Garcia/Donte/Nocioni/Brockman as our second unit and you have a damn good bench. Our bench has already been better than alot of teams and this will solidify it.

Alot of it might be matchups as well. Westphal plays guys who matchup well with opposing players. For instance, Garcia might be able to guard someone better than Donte or vice versa. Every game, everyone won't get minutes, but they will play alot. Like Brockman last night. He doesn't play huge minutes every night, but he played most of the 2nd half or whenever Amare was on the floor.

Post #17 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:24 pm

perezident wrote:Haywood is trash KF10, lol a poor man's Kevin Willis lolol. Nahhh not that bad but he just doesnt do ANY thing for me.

I wouldn't say he is trash.

He is very valuable to a team that lacks post presence. (Like the Kings) And Haywood brings that. And top it off, Haywood is one of the best post defenders in this league. Having a guy like Haywood on this team would be beneficiary IMO.

Post #18 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:27 pm

I'd love to get Haywood. I think he'd be a big dose of what we need. I'd be curious to see what he goes for in FA this summer.

Post #19 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:35 pm

I think the Thunder will be biggest bidders for Haywood. Haywood fits in with the Thunder awesomely. If the Thunder attained Haywood, this is what the lineup is for them:

Westbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Green
Haywood

And having guys like Collison, Thomas and Weaver off the bench is solid.

That team will do massive damage if everything gelled together nicely.

If the Kings want Haywood, I think they have to overpay him a bit. Much more than the MLE IMO.

SacTownKings4Life · Post #20 » by **SacTownKings4Life** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:35 pm

deNIEd wrote:
cdt3 wrote:The all star game is Feb 14th. Martin/Garcia will be playing at 100% by the end of Jan. This team still has time to make a playoff run.

If they make a run at the #8 spot in the playoffs this year they may not even trade anyone until the offseason.

Who knows with this team?

I can tell you this team has not had this kind of young depth since the Hedo/Peja/Wallace/Pollard days. That is a great problem to have.

We will never go anywhere with the talent we have in our frontcourt.

Ya, playoffs maybe, but never come close to truly contending.

We aren't going anywhere this year regardless. That much is obvious. We are still a couple years away from TRULY contending anyway. The point is to see how good we can be with the lineup that we DO have. Adjustments can be made later as we go. I wouldn't mind seeing Nocioni go, once Garcia gets back.

I realize that minutes might be scarce once EVERYBODY becomes available, but with all the newfound depth, is there a chance that we might actually rotate guys depending on the opponent and the situation? Obviously everybody can't play in the SAME game, but certain guys may give us advantages or simply better matchups against certain other teams. I think its better to have TOO MUCH talent than to have NOT ENOUGH talent.