Patrick Baldwin Jr.

[EvanZ]

^ I think the Warriors wanted to draft Jovic, he went one pick earlier.. didn't want to draft a center to crush Wiseman's confidence and just threw this pick and the ankle explanation at the wall to see if it sticks.. if his ankle is still an issue after not playing since Feb or so.. thats a HUGE issue and so why waste a FRP on him

They wanted Braun.

Are you serious, Evan? Braun would have been a very good pick...

Well he was already gone too.

[Big J]

Yea, did a bit more scouting on this kid, and he reminds me of a less athletic Tim Thomas. He plays very effortlessly, and moves really well on offense for his size, he's quite unselfish, and can really stroke it. His defense is trash though, and I don't think it can be fixed. One move on him and he gets faked out of his shorts every single time. His instincts/reflexes on that end are just so bad.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I mean I feel like maybe (but I have no idea really) he's just so unathletic compared to TIm Thomas. I don't think he can really score much at the rim, though having people play up on his shot might help him a bit there, just because they're overplaying him. He's going to be a shooter, Tim Thomas could shoot a bit, but wasn't like a pure shooter or anything. I mean how much of his seeming effortlessness is related to lack of athleticism?

[BostonCouchGM]

he's huge. He was towering over Kuminga on the sidelines. I think he might be a legit 6'10" plus. As for his athleticism, they talked about it on the broadcast. Apparently he had a bad ankle injury in high school that never healed and he was never healthy all through college because he tried to play through it. It affected his testing at the combine. I look at his pre-injury highlights and he looks great. Not huge hops, he's more smooth, but he's so big and skilled I don't think his athleticism is a concern.

[Big J]

I mean I feel like maybe (but I have no idea really) he's just so unathletic compared to TIm Thomas. I don't think he can really score much at the rim, though having people play up on his shot might help him a bit there, just because they're overplaying him. He's going to be a shooter, Tim Thomas could shoot a bit, but wasn't like a pure shooter or anything. I mean how much of his seeming effortlessness is related to lack of athleticism?

How about Keith Van Horn? That might not be a bad comp if the kid puts it together.

[BlazersBroncos]

I mean I feel like maybe (but I have no idea really) he's just so unathletic compared to TIm Thomas. I don't think he can really score much at the rim, though having people play up on his shot might help him a bit there, just because they're overplaying him. He's going to be a shooter, Tim Thomas could shoot a bit, but wasn't like a pure shooter or anything. I mean how much of his seeming effortlessness is related to lack of athleticism?

How about Keith Van Horn? That might not be a bad comp if the kid puts it together.

KVH was a 16ppg career guy w/ nearly 7rpg. I think PBJ is a role player, 8th man type at best.

Trey Lyles is still my favorite comp, but I dont think PBJ plays as big as Lyles.

[Big J]

I mean I feel like maybe (but I have no idea really) he's just so unathletic compared to TIm Thomas. I don't think he can really score much at the rim, though having people play up on his shot might help him a bit there, just because they're overplaying him. He's going to be a shooter, Tim Thomas could shoot a bit, but wasn't like a pure shooter or anything. I mean how much of his seeming effortlessness is related to lack of athleticism?

How about Keith Van Horn? That might not be a bad comp if the kid puts it together.

KVH was a 16ppg career guy w/ nearly 7rpg. I think PBJ is a role player, 8th man type at best.

Trey Lyles is still my favorite comp, but I dont think PBJ plays as big as Lyles.

What did KVH do better than PBJ?

[BlazersBroncos]

How about Keith Van Horn? That might not be a bad comp if the kid puts it together.

KVH was a 16ppg career guy w/ nearly 7rpg. I think PBJ is a role player, 8th man type at best.

Trey Lyles is still my favorite comp, but I dont think PBJ plays as big as Lyles.

What did KVH do better than PBJ?

Really?

KVH at the same age was putting up 18/8 on 51/44/77 splits against better competition.

[Big J]

KVH was a 16ppg career guy w/ nearly 7rpg. I think PBJ is a role player, 8th man type at best.

Trey Lyles is still my favorite comp, but I dont think PBJ plays as big as Lyles.

What did KVH do better than PBJ?

Really?

KVH at the same age was putting up 18/8 on 51/44/77 splits against better competition.

Pats ankle was messed up all year last year.

[EvanZ]

How about Keith Van Horn? That might not be a bad comp if the kid puts it together.

KVH was a 16ppg career guy w/ nearly 7rpg. I think PBJ is a role player, 8th man type at best.

Trey Lyles is still my favorite comp, but I dont think PBJ plays as big as Lyles.

What did KVH do better than PBJ?

What did Shaq do better than Patrick O'Bryant? We may never be able to answer such philosophical questions.

[Big J]

Kid is showing out in preseason. Looks like he could be a massive steal.

[EvanZ]

PBJ put up all time bad numbers at the combine. I believe his vertical is less than 30 inches. He was also the slowest in multiple drills.

His measurements were crazy in a good way though. I think people are just misunderstanding his archetype completely. He went from being an incredibly bad version of KD (eg Kevin Knox) to possibly having a Kevon Looney type career. Could actually end up being quite valuable as a 5 down the road, and maybe even a floor spacing one. Just a thought.

Are you joking around or are you serious?

So your point is - by showing completely horribly in the drills teams will be forced to use him at the 5? And he could excel at the 5?

Talk about next level thinking lol

Next level thinking


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[EvanZ]

Turns out he really was playing on a bum ankle last year. He moves great for his size. We might be looking at a 6’10” version of Klay.


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[Big J]

Lotta dudes are eating crow about this kid right now.

[Catchall]

I thought if things worked out he could be a middling version of MPJ.

[Big J]

I thought if things worked out he could be a middling version of MPJ.

I'm not saying he's gonna be KD, but you can see it when you watch him run the floor in that Dubs jersey.

[azcatz11]

His measurements were crazy in a good way though. I think people are just misunderstanding his archetype completely. He went from being an incredibly bad version of KD (eg Kevin Knox) to possibly having a Kevon Looney type career. Could actually end up being quite valuable as a 5 down the road, and maybe even a floor spacing one. Just a thought.

Are you joking around or are you serious?

So your point is - by showing completely horribly in the drills teams will be forced to use him at the 5? And he could excel at the 5?

Talk about next level thinking lol

Next level thinking


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I’m not a draft expert. Never have been and never will be. If you think you dunked on me you did. I like your posts anyways

[clyde21]

Turns out he really was playing on a bum ankle last year. He moves great for his size. We might be looking at a 6’10” version of Klay.


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odd that he was even playing if he it was that bad.

[EvanZ]

If you add PBJ's 3PA from just these last 2 games to his college sample his 3P% increases from 26.6% to 30.6%. This is what people didn't understand. He looked bad but it was 11 games and a *tiny* sample of shooting. And it turns out he was playing on a bad ankle. It was like a storm of factors that all combined to drop him in our lap.

[Big J]

Turns out he really was playing on a bum ankle last year. He moves great for his size. We might be looking at a 6’10” version of Klay.


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odd that he was even playing if he it was that bad.

He was playing as a favor to his dad. Any other coach and he probably would have shut it down.