Ace Bailey

[zero rings]

Right, my point is people just act like Ace is terrible and has no above average skills... yet he was ranked #2.
Cam Reddish, Wiseman and Barrett still were high lottery picks- I don't remember this type of negativity for any of them heading into their drafts. So clearly people must have still believed in their skillsets even though post draft they didn't work out.

Are you 5 years old?

I ask because Wiseman and Reddish were picked to shreds. Some people had Okongwu over Wiseman, and there were tons of question marks surrounding Wiseman.

Many people doubted both Wiseman and Reddish.

Wiseman was almost the #1 pick, and sure they may have people who doubted him but there was still more positive talk about him then I see for Ace.

Reddish was truly awful in college 35.6% fg%, 33% from three, 46% efg% and scored 13.5 ppg.
Ace is much better 46% fg%, 35% from three and 51 efg% on 17.6 ppg.

And even still I think there was a more positive buzz around Reddish being a good 3D player.

We are probably 10+ posts into the convo and nobody has said 1 positive thing about Ace, just negative and comparing him to failed prospects....

I don’t think anyone is arguing Ace is a worse prospect than Reddish.

If Ace is receiving more scrutiny than Reddish, it’s only because he's widely projected to go 3rd in the draft, with certain NBA players claiming he’s better than Flagg!

I don’t remember anyone claiming Reddish had more upside than Zion Williamson lol

[HadAnEffectHere]

Are you 5 years old?

I ask because Wiseman and Reddish were picked to shreds. Some people had Okongwu over Wiseman, and there were tons of question marks surrounding Wiseman.

Many people doubted both Wiseman and Reddish.

Wiseman was almost the #1 pick, and sure they may have people who doubted him but there was still more positive talk about him then I see for Ace.

Reddish was truly awful in college 35.6% fg%, 33% from three, 46% efg% and scored 13.5 ppg.
Ace is much better 46% fg%, 35% from three and 51 efg% on 17.6 ppg.

And even still I think there was a more positive buzz around Reddish being a good 3D player.

We are probably 10+ posts into the convo and nobody has said 1 positive thing about Ace, just negative and comparing him to failed prospects....

I don’t think anyone is arguing Ace is a worse prospect than Reddish.

If Ace is receiving more scrutiny than Reddish, it’s only because he's widely projected to go 3rd in the draft, with certain NBA players claiming he’s better than Flagg!

I don’t remember anyone claiming Reddish had more upside than Zion Williamson lol

Reddish had absurd hype for some reason from his peers who often thought he should go #2 or #3. It was very odd.

But from fans and scouts, Reddish was not viewed as a great prospect at all.

[Special_Puppy]

Who was the last player to get drafted this high who was almost universally hated by draft nerds?

[azcatz11]

Who was the last player to get drafted this high who was almost universally hated by draft nerds?

RJ Barrett? People hated him also

[babyjax13]

An important difference between Ace, RJ, and Reddish is that Ace can shoot.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I mean, there's a difference between "takes a lot of shots" and "is just a stupid guy."

Kuminga and Mathurin can't play in the NBA in the playoffs because they're the later.

gotta say, for a 22 y/o guy who "can't play in the NBA in the playoffs" it sure was strange seeing Mathurin put up 20/2/2 in 12 minutes in the Eastern Conference Championship Game 5 win. I don't think he got the HadAnEffectHere memo

Kuminga scored 25 a game in the last three games against the Wolves and the Warriors have no intent of bringing him back and no one is interested in signing him because he's not smart enough to play winning basketball.

Trying to argue in favor of a volume scorer who doesn't understand basketball very well by... pointing out their volume scoring stats is...... interesting.

hey remember those two guys laughably insisting Mathurin "can't play in the NBA"??

27 points tonight to help put the Pacers up 2-1 in the series. The next good take from you two will be your first

[Dat2U]

Use him as a bigger Klay Thompson = a movement shooter & spot up weapon. Limit his handling to attacking closeouts. I think he could provide excellent value in a simplified role where he's not tasked to be an on-ball shot creator until he expands his handle.

[JMAC3]

Use him as a bigger Klay Thompson = a movement shooter & spot up weapon. Limit his handling to attacking closeouts. I think he could provide excellent value in a simplified role where he's not tasked to be an on-ball shot creator until he expands his handle.

I think Mikal Bridges is a good model for him to follow early in his career. Focus on defense and being a great catch and shoot guy for now, but still have the freedom to hunt a mindrange shot in the right scenarios. That would be my vision and scale his usage up from there once he is mastering that role.

[babyjax13]

I think I was the early Ace skeptic and now I'm one of the more optimistic people about him on the board. I think he does have some functional ballhandling that can develop. The weird thing with him is that he basically had three different periods with Rutgers where he played really differently. The first 10 games he didn't get to the rim well and was ancillary to Harper. The middle 10 games he took on more ball handling responsibilities and was able to turn the corner on defenders + shake them with his handle when he could not do this at all in the first 10. The last 10 he was bad.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think I was the early Ace skeptic and now I'm one of the more optimistic people about him on the board. I think he does have some functional ballhandling that can develop. The weird thing with him is that he basically had three different periods with Rutgers where he played really differently. The first 10 games he didn't get to the rim well and was ancillary to Harper. The middle 10 games he took on more ball handling responsibilities and was able to turn the corner on defenders + shake them with his handle when he could not do this at all in the first 10. The last 10 he was bad.

I'm the opposite. I have championed him and had him #2 on my board but with the realization that he was very raw and would need great work ethic and maturity to develop into the star his physical and athletic ability suggests. But after watching him interview I'm pretty discouraged. I think he's dumb and immature and while he's still worth the risk he's not as certain a prospect as I previously thought. I'm still taking him over the other mid-lottery guys because it's a weak draft but I no longer view him as any better a prospect than Buzelis or Holland.

[babyjax13]

I think I was the early Ace skeptic and now I'm one of the more optimistic people about him on the board. I think he does have some functional ballhandling that can develop. The weird thing with him is that he basically had three different periods with Rutgers where he played really differently. The first 10 games he didn't get to the rim well and was ancillary to Harper. The middle 10 games he took on more ball handling responsibilities and was able to turn the corner on defenders + shake them with his handle when he could not do this at all in the first 10. The last 10 he was bad.

I'm the opposite. I have championed him and had him #2 on my board but with the realization that he was very raw and would need great work ethic and maturity to develop into the star his physical and athletic ability suggests. But after watching him interview I'm pretty discouraged. I think he's dumb and immature and while he's still worth the risk he's not as certain a prospect as I previously thought. I'm still taking him over the other mid-lottery guys because it's a weak draft but I no longer view him as any better a prospect than Buzelis or Holland.

People said similar about Edwards. Not saying it doesn't matter, but it also isn't reliable.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think I was the early Ace skeptic and now I'm one of the more optimistic people about him on the board. I think he does have some functional ballhandling that can develop. The weird thing with him is that he basically had three different periods with Rutgers where he played really differently. The first 10 games he didn't get to the rim well and was ancillary to Harper. The middle 10 games he took on more ball handling responsibilities and was able to turn the corner on defenders + shake them with his handle when he could not do this at all in the first 10. The last 10 he was bad.

I'm the opposite. I have championed him and had him #2 on my board but with the realization that he was very raw and would need great work ethic and maturity to develop into the star his physical and athletic ability suggests. But after watching him interview I'm pretty discouraged. I think he's dumb and immature and while he's still worth the risk he's not as certain a prospect as I previously thought. I'm still taking him over the other mid-lottery guys because it's a weak draft but I no longer view him as any better a prospect than Buzelis or Holland.

Ngl, this is why we need a negative and 1 counter, like a foul count lol.

We’re all entitled to our opinions here, but to put him on equal ground to Buzelis and Holland is nasty work imho.

He’s an insanely good gamble anywhere past 6.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think I was the early Ace skeptic and now I'm one of the more optimistic people about him on the board. I think he does have some functional ballhandling that can develop. The weird thing with him is that he basically had three different periods with Rutgers where he played really differently. The first 10 games he didn't get to the rim well and was ancillary to Harper. The middle 10 games he took on more ball handling responsibilities and was able to turn the corner on defenders + shake them with his handle when he could not do this at all in the first 10. The last 10 he was bad.

I'm the opposite. I have championed him and had him #2 on my board but with the realization that he was very raw and would need great work ethic and maturity to develop into the star his physical and athletic ability suggests. But after watching him interview I'm pretty discouraged. I think he's dumb and immature and while he's still worth the risk he's not as certain a prospect as I previously thought. I'm still taking him over the other mid-lottery guys because it's a weak draft but I no longer view him as any better a prospect than Buzelis or Holland.

Ngl, this is why we need a negative and 1 counter, like a foul count lol.

We’re all entitled to our opinions here, but to put him on equal ground to Buzelis and Holland is nasty work imho.

He’s an insanely good gamble anywhere past 6.

you are not lying. You'd be the KAT of these boards if we did. You have 51000 posts but only 3800 and1 . Meanwhile I've got 2300 and1s on only 3100 posts.

[Bloodbather]

I haven't watched him, just going off what people are saying here and looking at stats and stuff.

Where would he be based on your expectations if he became Jabari Smith 2.0? Do you expect better or worse or about that level?

[KembaWalker]

I'm the opposite. I have championed him and had him #2 on my board but with the realization that he was very raw and would need great work ethic and maturity to develop into the star his physical and athletic ability suggests. But after watching him interview I'm pretty discouraged. I think he's dumb and immature and while he's still worth the risk he's not as certain a prospect as I previously thought. I'm still taking him over the other mid-lottery guys because it's a weak draft but I no longer view him as any better a prospect than Buzelis or Holland.

Ngl, this is why we need a negative and 1 counter, like a foul count lol.

We’re all entitled to our opinions here, but to put him on equal ground to Buzelis and Holland is nasty work imho.

He’s an insanely good gamble anywhere past 6.

you are not lying. You'd be the KAT of these boards if we did. You have 51000 posts but only 3800 and1 . Meanwhile I've got 2300 and1s on only 3100 posts.

this kind of historical knowledge and statistical analysis would put you in the upper echelon of thinkers on the PC board

[ReggiesKnicks]

I haven't watched him, just going off what people are saying here and looking at stats and stuff.

Where would he be based on your expectations if he became Jabari Smith 2.0? Do you expect better or worse or about that level?

He has a better floor game than Jabari Smith Jr and better handle. Jabari Smith's problem was he couldn't dribble.

Jabari was a better defender.

[JMAC3]

I haven't watched him, just going off what people are saying here and looking at stats and stuff.

Where would he be based on your expectations if he became Jabari Smith 2.0? Do you expect better or worse or about that level?

A big difference is Jabari shot a crazy high percentage from three(42%)in college which bouyed his shooting percentages and caused him to be overrated. He is career 34% from three in NBA, mainly shooting open catch and shoot assisted threes.

Jabari shot 43.5% from 2 pt range as a 6-10 forward, on a very functional good college team. Auburn went 28-6.
Ace shot 51.1% from 2 pt range on a dysfunctional bad team in college.

Outside of that, they are probably similar rebounders, defenders, passers. Ace is a much better athlete in the open floor though, he can get out and run jump like a true wing whereas Jabari is a bit more stiff and more of a good athlete mover for a big.

Ace also has irrational confidence for better or worse. Jabari lacks confidence to me.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm the opposite. I have championed him and had him #2 on my board but with the realization that he was very raw and would need great work ethic and maturity to develop into the star his physical and athletic ability suggests. But after watching him interview I'm pretty discouraged. I think he's dumb and immature and while he's still worth the risk he's not as certain a prospect as I previously thought. I'm still taking him over the other mid-lottery guys because it's a weak draft but I no longer view him as any better a prospect than Buzelis or Holland.

Ngl, this is why we need a negative and 1 counter, like a foul count lol.

We’re all entitled to our opinions here, but to put him on equal ground to Buzelis and Holland is nasty work imho.

He’s an insanely good gamble anywhere past 6.

you are not lying. You'd be the KAT of these boards if we did. You have 51000 posts but only 3800 and1 . Meanwhile I've got 2300 and1s on only 3100 posts.

Not that I especially even care about any of this, but probably 30k+ of my posts are pre-and 1 era of this board.