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JON is huge in comparison to Essengue man. Are you blind?
I mean the real monster in Beringer who is already 235 lbs. That dude can get to 250 easily. Some dudes are just narrow and you have to accept it. Essengue is narrow. Stop wishcasting adding 40 pounds and becoming these ohter dudes. You're lucky if he gets as big as Claxton.
I mean the real monster in Beringer who is already 235 lbs. That dude can get to 250 easily. Some dudes are just narrow and you have to accept it. Essengue is narrow. Stop wishcasting adding 40 pounds and becoming these ohter dudes. You're lucky if he gets as big as Claxton.
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Despite your bodybuilding avatar, it's clear you don't understand the differences between frame/skeletal structure, body mass, and progression of body mass.
Probably not worth explaining things to you.
Probably not worth explaining things to you.
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FrodoBaggins wrote:Despite your bodybuilding avatar, it's clear you don't understand the differences between frame/skeletal structure, body mass, and progression of body mass.
Probably not worth explaining things to you.
Ok bro I'll wait here while Essengue puts on 40 lbs in his rookie season.



I know you were just being contrarian but now you've locked into this absurd take. Good luck with that.
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EvanZ wrote:FrodoBaggins wrote:Despite your bodybuilding avatar, it's clear you don't understand the differences between frame/skeletal structure, body mass, and progression of body mass.
Probably not worth explaining things to you.
Ok bro I'll wait here while Essengue puts on 40 lbs in his rookie season.![]()
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Now you're just making things up. Let's stick to the salient points being made:
a) adding body mass is a choice. It requires effort & commitment
b) you can't predict how much body mass a player can put on without losing athletic function by simply looking at clavicle width (see referenced examples)
At 205 lbs with a draft age of 18.5, Noa is already 20 pounds heavier than Jaden McDaniels' 185 lbs rookie listing (19.72 draft age), nearly 10 pounds heavier than Giannis' 196 lbs draft weight (18.53 draft age) and Chet Holmgren's 195 lbs draft weight (20.13 draft age).
Giannis reached 222 by 2015-16 and 242 by training camp prior to the 2018-19 season. Chet is listed at 213 now, a nearly +20-pound increase. Hell, narrow-built Kevin Durant came in as a 215 lbs rookie (18.71 draft age) and added over 25+ pounds. He was reportedly 237 when he won his MVP and 242 the next season.
How much weight will Essengue add? I don't know. But he will add weight; I hope you're not suggesting otherwise (I don't think you are). If narrow-built KD and Chet added 20-25 pounds, Noa can. I'd be surprised if he doesn't reach 230 in his prime.
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FrodoBaggins wrote:EvanZ wrote:FrodoBaggins wrote:Despite your bodybuilding avatar, it's clear you don't understand the differences between frame/skeletal structure, body mass, and progression of body mass.
Probably not worth explaining things to you.
Ok bro I'll wait here while Essengue puts on 40 lbs in his rookie season.![]()
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Now you're just making things up. Let's stick to the salient points being made:
a) adding body mass is a choice. It requires effort & commitment
b) you can't predict how much body mass a player can put on without losing athletic function by simply looking at clavicle width (see referenced examples)
At 205 lbs with a draft age of 18.5, Noa is already 20 pounds heavier than Jaden McDaniels' 185 lbs rookie listing (19.72 draft age), nearly 10 pounds heavier than Giannis' 196 lbs draft weight (18.53 draft age) and Chet Holmgren's 195 lbs draft weight (20.13 draft age).
Giannis reached 222 by 2015-16 and 242 by training camp prior to the 2018-19 season. Chet is listed at 213 now, a nearly +20-pound increase. Hell, narrow-built Kevin Durant came in as a 215 lbs rookie (18.71 draft age) and added over 25+ pounds. He was reportedly 237 when he won his MVP and 242 the next season.
How much weight will Essengue add? I don't know. But he will add weight; I hope you're not suggesting otherwise (I don't think you are). If narrow-built KD and Chet added 20-25 pounds, Noa can. I'd be surprised if he doesn't reach 230 in his prime.
Yep. He already plays competitive at his current weight too much like my guy Buzelis. Reports are he has hit the weight room hard and is now dominating runs in LA.
I expect Noa to add 20lbs from now until the start of his 2nd training camp. At 225 he will become a threat much like Giannnis when he gets downhill. Noa is def already adding weight and muscle better than Chet and McD.
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FrodoBaggins wrote:EvanZ wrote:FrodoBaggins wrote:Despite your bodybuilding avatar, it's clear you don't understand the differences between frame/skeletal structure, body mass, and progression of body mass.
Probably not worth explaining things to you.
Ok bro I'll wait here while Essengue puts on 40 lbs in his rookie season.![]()
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Now you're just making things up. Let's stick to the salient points being made:
a) adding body mass is a choice. It requires effort & commitment
b) you can't predict how much body mass a player can put on without losing athletic function by simply looking at clavicle width (see referenced examples)
At 205 lbs with a draft age of 18.5, Noa is already 20 pounds heavier than Jaden McDaniels' 185 lbs rookie listing (19.72 draft age), nearly 10 pounds heavier than Giannis' 196 lbs draft weight (18.53 draft age) and Chet Holmgren's 195 lbs draft weight (20.13 draft age).
Giannis reached 222 by 2015-16 and 242 by training camp prior to the 2018-19 season. Chet is listed at 213 now, a nearly +20-pound increase. Hell, narrow-built Kevin Durant came in as a 215 lbs rookie (18.71 draft age) and added over 25+ pounds. He was reportedly 237 when he won his MVP and 242 the next season.
How much weight will Essengue add? I don't know. But he will add weight; I hope you're not suggesting otherwise (I don't think you are). If narrow-built KD and Chet added 20-25 pounds, Noa can. I'd be surprised if he doesn't reach 230 in his prime.
Just out of curiosity, do you even lift?
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Chi town wrote:
I expect Noa to add 20lbs from now until the start of his 2nd training camp. At 225 he will become a threat much like Giannnis when he gets downhill. Noa is def already adding weight and muscle better than Chet and McD.
LMAO well there you go. It must be true.



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20 pounds over two off seasons seems reasonable for a 6'11.25" (in shoes), 205-pound, 18.5 year old FWD draftee.
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FrodoBaggins wrote:20 pounds over two off seasons seems reasonable for a 6'11.25" (in shoes), 205-pound, 18.5 year old FWD draftee.
I think that's a bit aggressive. I'd say if he adds 10-15 pounds in his first 2 seasons they'll be ecstatic. That's assuming he's never really been weight training and has noobie gains incoming. If he's already been lifting and eating and is a hard gainer, it's going to be a worse than "expected" outcome. You never know for sure. Poku never put on that weight. Chet has put on some not a whole lot.
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I dont think the weight is that worrisome. Noa plays tougher than his size and is agressive attacking the rim despite his weight. He is like Chet in that way, toughness that overcomes the skinny frame a bit.
That isnt to say he wont add weight, he will. But I think he can be effective even if he just gets up to 215-220 like Holmgren.
That isnt to say he wont add weight, he will. But I think he can be effective even if he just gets up to 215-220 like Holmgren.
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BlazersBroncos wrote:I dont think the weight is that worrisome. Noa plays tougher than his size and is agressive attacking the rim despite his weight. He is like Chet in that way, toughness that overcomes the skinny frame a bit.
That isnt to say he wont add weight, he will. But I think he can be effective even if he just gets up to 215-220 like Holmgren.
Chet is listed as 208 in the NBA website. Where are you getting 215-220?
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EvanZ wrote:BlazersBroncos wrote:I dont think the weight is that worrisome. Noa plays tougher than his size and is agressive attacking the rim despite his weight. He is like Chet in that way, toughness that overcomes the skinny frame a bit.
That isnt to say he wont add weight, he will. But I think he can be effective even if he just gets up to 215-220 like Holmgren.
Chet is listed as 208 in the NBA website. Where are you getting 215-220?
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Did someone hit someone else with a "Do you even lift bro?"
What a draft season to be alive for.
What a draft season to be alive for.
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JMAC3 wrote:Did someone hit someone else with a "Do you even lift bro?"
What a draft season to be alive for.
Hahaha.
That’s the exact way I read it too.
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I don't think Noa's weight is a big issue because he knows how to use his strength well. He's wiry strong and has unique body control for a guy his size. He creates immediate disadvantages for opponents going full speed towards the rim resulting in the crazy foul rate. So he's definitely good at leveraging his mobility & length to make plays.
I just worry his skill level is so modest that he's not much more than an energy guy who can hit the ocassional 3.
I just worry his skill level is so modest that he's not much more than an energy guy who can hit the ocassional 3.
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FWIW - Batum shot 26% at age 17 and 34% at age 18 in international comp. FT was 64% and 73%.
Noa is at 25% and 29% w/ FT of 72% and 73%.
So the shooting for these 2 really isnt that far off. I dont see much fundamental issues with Essengue's shot form or anything. I think he can definatley develop into at least a guy that can hit an open 3. If he can develop more than that, he is a huge 'hit'.
Noa is at 25% and 29% w/ FT of 72% and 73%.
So the shooting for these 2 really isnt that far off. I dont see much fundamental issues with Essengue's shot form or anything. I think he can definatley develop into at least a guy that can hit an open 3. If he can develop more than that, he is a huge 'hit'.
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Dat2U wrote:I don't think Noa's weight is a big issue because he knows how to use his strength well. He's wiry strong and has unique body control for a guy his size. He creates immediate disadvantages for opponents going full speed towards the rim resulting in the crazy foul rate. So he's definitely good at leveraging his mobility & length to make plays.
I just worry his skill level is so modest that he's not much more than an energy guy who can hit the ocassional 3.
That who he is for year one.
He has plenty of time to develop the shot and handle and moves on ball.
He will be elite at the energy guy role and play super efficient like he is for ULM.
I think he could be dominant once he adds muscle as he knows how rude his body so well and already is a FT magnet
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Elite super efficient energy guy in Y1?
I didn’t know the BBL is an elite of a league as the NBA is
Killian Hayes - Pacome Dadiet - Noa Essengue?
I see a lot of wild projection going on here about this guy, as good as Cooper Flagg? The next Giannis or Siakam? Oh boy, it is definitely draft season
Maybe he ends up great, maybe he never really finds a niche other than high motor big, but either way almost every scouting report I have read/watched has reflected the same sentiment, it is going to take some time to find out just what he actually is as an NBA player
That does scream sure fire star to me?
I didn’t know the BBL is an elite of a league as the NBA is
Killian Hayes - Pacome Dadiet - Noa Essengue?
I see a lot of wild projection going on here about this guy, as good as Cooper Flagg? The next Giannis or Siakam? Oh boy, it is definitely draft season
Maybe he ends up great, maybe he never really finds a niche other than high motor big, but either way almost every scouting report I have read/watched has reflected the same sentiment, it is going to take some time to find out just what he actually is as an NBA player
That does scream sure fire star to me?
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Walton1one wrote:Elite super efficient energy guy in Y1?
I didn’t know the BBL is an elite of a league as the NBA is
Killian Hayes - Pacome Dadiet - Noa Essengue?
I see a lot of wild projection going on here about this guy, as good as Cooper Flagg? The next Giannis or Siakam? Oh boy, it is definitely draft season
Maybe he ends up great, maybe he never really finds a niche other than high motor big, but either way almost every scouting report I have read/watched has reflected the same sentiment, it is going to take some time to find out just what he actually is as an NBA player
That does scream sure fire star to me?
Don’t see anyone saying sure fire.
More like ceiling.
Noa just moves different and his IQ is elite. Knows when to cut. Where to cut. How to draw fouls. Great at pump faking for easier shots. Seeing the play before the play. Anticipation. Also has great motor and he’s a competitor.
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Dat2U wrote:I don't think Noa's weight is a big issue because he knows how to use his strength well. He's wiry strong and has unique body control for a guy his size. He creates immediate disadvantages for opponents going full speed towards the rim resulting in the crazy foul rate. So he's definitely good at leveraging his mobility & length to make plays.
I just worry his skill level is so modest that he's not much more than an energy guy who can hit the ocassional 3.
The importance & degree of potential weight, strength, & power development are dependent on his skill progression as an outside shooter. If his perimeter game never comes along, he may be more suited to becoming a PF/C as opposed to a SF/PF. Added size, strength, & power are an amplifier for his rim pressure.
We just saw Evan Mobley take a big leap forward, largely due to putting on size & strength. It allowed him to hold his driving lanes better and finish stronger inside/at the rim. He came into the league at 215 lbs with a draft age of 20--10 pounds heavier & 1.5 years older than Essengue.
Mobley was only 20 years old when the Cavs drafted him. The 6-foot-11 center/forward is listed at 215 pounds, but he says he is heavier than that after using the weight room in his home “basically almost every day,” to use his words.
“I’m not going to put a number on it, but I definitely gained weight and I’m definitely stronger,” Mobley said.
Jaden McDaniels is a good example of a big wing who's struggled with his outside shot, but then offensively broken out playing as more of a screening & rolling big:
On Offense, instead of having Jaden stick to the corner and shoot 3's when the ball swings to him the Wolves are asking Jaden to be a lot more aggressive off the catch, to handle the ball more on the perimeter, and to get to the rim and get to spots in the mid range floater area. This has been a huge success for Jaden. He is averaging over 60% on 2 point shots despite lots of contested mid range and floater shots. He's just so long at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan and his touch and body control allows him to win. I would argue that the most reliable shot that the Wolves have right now is a Jaden drive into a mid range fadeaway or Jaden rising through contact and getting to his floater game.
In addition to this, the Wolves are also playing him a lot more in traditional big spots on the floor. They are asking him to screen and role, catch the ball in the middle of the floor, and attack from that spot. This has been huge for the Wolves because it gets McDaniels into his best spots on the floor and also means he doesn't have to do as many dribbles to get to the rim which helps him because his handle is improved but still not quite as tight as it should be.
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In addition to this, McDaniels is playing more in the dunker spot where again his length and finishing ability allows him to be a finisher. As he does all of this and operates closer to the basket and in more traffic, he's getting a lot more offensive rebounds and getting to the line. When he's involved in all of these ways, he's still taking some 3's but it's no longer his primary focus. And while the percentages are roughly still the same as his career averages, the flow of his game is a lot better when he's confident and impacting the game and then taking 3 point shots.
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On defense, Jaden will still play PoA defense but we're playing him a lot more in a traditional "4" spot. Jaden is great in this spot because it allows him to be a free safety and a disruptor. He has the length and body control to be a really strong rim protector and the mobility to really be trouble as the helper in 2-man actions honestly in many similar ways to Anthony Davis. I think Jaden is arguably one of the top 5 PoA defenders in the league, one of the top 5 screen navigators, one of the top 5 help defenders, and one. of the top 5 players in more of a free safety role.
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During his last 23 games Jaden is averaging:
36 mpg
18 points (61% from 2 - 33% from 3 - 89% from the FT line)
8 rebounds
3 assists
3 blocks + steals
Giannis was the most extreme version ever of this. Kidd had him playing like a big wing, and he was good, but continued physical development unlocked his true potential as a PF/C. Bruno Caboclo has had the most success of his career since dropping the big wing/FWD pretensions and bulking up to become a PF/C. That's occurred in Europe and in FIBA competition, though. NBA teams had a strong look at bringing him back to the NBA.