2007 draft: overrated?

[yearsago]

Sorry, I guess I let exaggeration get the best of me. But, there was plenty of discussions on the trade board that would come back to anything short of Lebron or Kobe wouldn't move one of those top picks.

And that is being over exaggerated? We don't know where Durant will be in 2-3 years. But we like the possibilities.

I'd trade Durant for Lebron and Chris Paul..and Dwight Howard..Maybe Chris Bosh...but other than that? Not so much. I love Kobe, but Durant has alot less mileage on the odometer.

[yearsago]

Durant has really improved his offensive efficency since the start of the year...at the start..all he did was jack up 3 pt'ers.

Now Durant is taking the ball to the rack..and getting to the FT line.

[abark]

In the past 16 games since the all star break Durant is averaging 20/4/2 on 45.8 shooting. He is shooting 0.8 threes per game in those games as opposed to 3.4 threes in games before the all star break. His free throws attempts are up by over 1.5 per game and he is shooting almost 2 shots less. Overall he really seems to be improving his efficiency (now he needs to work in that rebounding).

[AQuintus]

(Conley and Brewer jump to mind, although I still see a ton of potential in Conley)

In defense of Brewer, most of his impact on the game doesn't show up in a game's box score. In order to see the kind of effect that he has on a game, you really need to actually watch him play.

There's a good post on the Wolve's board here: http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=773916 that really articulates what I'm talking about.

One quote from the article: "Corey can go 0-for-10 and still have the biggest impact of any player on the floor, because of his ability to play defense, his effort and hustle and rebounding."
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Wade averaged 16/4/5 on almost 47% shooting. Bosh put up 12/7/1. Not many rookies set the league on fire, but it could be argued that Wade and Bosh were more impressive as rookies than Horford and Durant.

It could be argued but the point is that they are not far off if off at all. No one ever said that this draft would supplant the 03 class in terms of star talent, they said it would match up favorably and could potentially have more depth outside the big 3-4 players.

12/7/1 is impressive for Bosh but close to 10/10/1 is just as impressive for Horford

Durant may not have shot the ball as efficiently as Wade but he's shown signs of improvement in his shot selection to raise that percentage.

His season matches up favorably to Melo.

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In defense of Brewer, most of his impact on the game doesn't show up in a game's box score. In order to see the kind of effect that he has on a game, you really need to actually watch him play.

There's a good post on the Wolve's board here: http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=773916 that really articulates what I'm talking about.

One quote from the article: "Corey can go 0-for-10 and still have the biggest impact of any player on the floor, because of his ability to play defense, his effort and hustle and rebounding."
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I absolutely loved him in college because of his d, and thought he'd be a lockdown defender in the pros with decent offense. I admit I haven't seen very much of him in the pros, but even if he's already playing great d, 5.4 ppg in 22.7 mpg shooting .359 from the floor and .176 from 3 is disappointing for a 7th overall pick. 3.6 rpg is also a bit disappointing when you consider his athleticism, size for his position, and ridiculous wingspan.
Not saying he won't be awesome someday, but at the moment I'd have to think his ugly offense is pretty much negating any positives from his lockdown d.

[revprodeji]

His shooting is improving a ton. With that his confidence is as well. I see him being aggressive now with the ball and being a playmaker. Earlier in the year Brewer had the deer-in-headlights look.

Corey will be fine. I am happy with the pick.

[giberish]

The depth of the draft was certainly overrated. The bottom of the 1st round and the 2nd round are weaker than 06 and much weaker than 05. I believe that the depth of the 08 draft will also be stronger than the 07 draft.

Injury problems and youth have limited a lot of the top 10 - especially for people who heard projections of what players would do in the peak of their careers and assumed they'd be that good as rookies.

[Idunkon1stdates]

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I absolutely loved him in college because of his d, and thought he'd be a lockdown defender in the pros with decent offense. I admit I haven't seen very much of him in the pros, but even if he's already playing great d, 5.4 ppg in 22.7 mpg shooting .359 from the floor and .176 from 3 is disappointing for a 7th overall pick. 3.6 rpg is also a bit disappointing when you consider his athleticism, size for his position, and ridiculous wingspan.
Not saying he won't be awesome someday, but at the moment I'd have to think his ugly offense is pretty much negating any positives from his lockdown d.

FYI, his wingspan is fairly pedestrian. Most people's wingspans are within 1 - 2 inches of their height. Brewer's wingspan is 6' 8.25" and his height is 6' 6.75" without shoes on. The skinny arms might be creating an optical illusion. Now, Kevin Durant... 6'9'' with a wingspan of 7' 4.75". That's impressive.

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FYI, his wingspan is fairly pedestrian. Most people's wingspans are within 1 - 2 inches of their height. Brewer's wingspan is 6' 8.25" and his height is 6' 6.75" without shoes on. The skinny arms might be creating an optical illusion. Now, Kevin Durant... 6'9'' with a wingspan of 7' 4.75". That's impressive.

Really? His arms look extremely long, but maybe it is somewhat of an optical illusion as you say. Or maybe he has somewhat narrow shoulders, but still has very long arms, making for an average wingspan?

[AQuintus]

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Really? His arms look extremely long, but maybe it is somewhat of an optical illusion as you say. Or maybe he has somewhat narrow shoulders, but still has very long arms, making for an average wingspan?

If I had to guess (and I do because I'm not in a position to measure his arms myself), I would say that this is exactly it.

I posted about this in another thread.

Brewers height w/o shoes: 6' 6.75"
w/ shoes: 6' 7.75"
wingspan: 6' 8.25"
Standing reach : 8' 7"

He certainly doesn't have freakishly long arms, but he doesn't have "extremely short arms" either.

A comparison with Jeff Green (6' 9.5" height, 7' 1.25" wingspan, 8' 7" standing reach) shows that Green has the bigger wingspan, but because they have the same standing reach, shorter arms. The difference in the wingspans comes about because Green has a much broader chest and shoulders.

[Tha King]

Do people think before they post? First off you cant judge a draft class after a few months. This class especially, how many 19 year olds were in this draft? This class had a bunch of underclassmen, guys who just aren't ready to dominate. In a few years when Thad Young, Durant, Oden, Hawes, Horford, and Brandon Wright are the premier players on their team(s) we'll talk about how overrated this class is. Not to mention all the other guys like Nick Young, Carl Landry, Julian Wright, Thronton, YI, Conley, Jeff green, and Noah who can be (or already are) very good starters. This class is deep, very very deep.

[blueNorange]

Wilson Chandler is looking like a good player, he's probably the only Isiah Thomas draft pick that can shoot and defend.

He's now in the starting line-up but wasn't doing that good until the past 3 games.

Past 3 games he's averaging 14.6 ppg and 6.0 rpg on 50% shooting from the floor. Small sample but we haven't had anything positive to look at this year.