Did Augustin's stock take a hit by being dominated by Rose?

[CB4MiamiHeat]

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I would have figured that Kansas, UCLA and Tennessee have NBA caliber athletes.

i like Augustine as a prospect.....but GMs definitely put a lot of value on what happens in the tournament. If a guy like Collison, Westbrook or Lawson who are in the same range as Augustine end up winning it all then they wil l definitely move up.

and that in turn is gonna move Augustine down. Dont be fooled by Texas being a 2 seed..most people expected them in the Final 4 given that they were playing at home vs. Memphis.

[UKF]

If it did, I would have no problem if he fell the the Kings at 11 or 12.

Honestly I dont think his stock fell at all. He had one bad game against one of the best backcourts in the Nation. If Texas upset Memphis, we would have a different story...

[BigSlam]

If Texas upset Memphis, we would have a different story...

This is a VERY valid point.

If Texas beat Memphis and DJ had posted a 20/10 game on 50% shooting and Rose had a shocker, does that mean that Rose would have been on the other side of the top 5 and DJ would all of a sudden be a top 5 pick?

[UKF]

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This is a VERY valid point.

If Texas beat Memphis and DJ had posted a 20/10 game on 50% shooting and Rose had a shocker, does that mean that Rose would have been on the other side of the top 5 and DJ would all of a sudden be a top 5 pick?

If DJ was able to lead his team over Memphis I think there would have been a lot of questions of Rose.

I dont think the loss would have brought him down the draft very far but a key factor that scouts take in is how they play in big games, and Rose would have taken a hit if they did lose.

[Cammo101]

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i like Augustine as a prospect.....but GMs definitely put a lot of value on what happens in the tournament. If a guy like Collison, Westbrook or Lawson who are in the same range as Augustine end up winning it all then they wil l definitely move up.

and that in turn is gonna move Augustine down. Dont be fooled by Texas being a 2 seed..most people expected them in the Final 4 given that they were playing at home vs. Memphis.

Auggy had a great tourney. One game does not make a tournament.

[BubbaTee]

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i like Augustine as a prospect.....but GMs definitely put a lot of value on what happens in the tournament. If a guy like Collison, Westbrook or Lawson who are in the same range as Augustine end up winning it all then they wil l definitely move up.

and that in turn is gonna move Augustine down. Dont be fooled by Texas being a 2 seed..most people expected them in the Final 4 given that they were playing at home vs. Memphis.

Maybe if all those guys were having great, Rose-like tourneys and Augustin stunk it up there'd be a case for that.

Lawson's been good this March, but:

- Collison got schooled by Western Kentucky's Tyrone Brazelton, scoring 4 points and fouling out while Brazelton put 31 on him. Brazelton's a good college player, but he's nowhere close to Rose, and he dominated Collison.

- Westbrook shot 8/32 in the first 3 rounds.

I don't see why you'd move them up just because they're teammates with Kevin Love. Their play in the tournament thus far doesn't warrant them leapfrogging DJ if you've had DJ ranked higher all year.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

i acually agree with you but thats not the line of thinking some GMs have..look at Paxson, he loves drafting "winners"

[Cammo101]

i acually agree with you but thats not the line of thinking some GMs have..look at Paxson, he loves drafting "winners"

We see how well that theory has worked in Charlotte and Chicago. Take all those winners and combine those 2 teams and they still are an 8 seed in the East.

[andyhop]

I think rather than the performance moving DJ down it kills his chance of moving up further in the draft than the 10 or so spot he is presently ranked at.

With a win or even a much better game against Memphis he could have put himself into the reckoning with the combo guards ahead of him in most mocks for a higher draft position.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

He'll be a star. One game ain't nothing. It happens. There are plenty of players in the NBA who don't match up well with other players. Bad games happen.

[Cammo101]

As stated earlier. Westbrook and Collison have had below par tourneys, yet no one seems to be talking about them falling.

[BrooklynBulls]

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Auggy had a great tourney. One game does not make a tournament.

Could you elaborate on that? Because it seems he had a really bad tourney. Besides being able to dish out the assists, he only had one good scoring game. How the hell is that a GOOD tourney?

IMO, this is what makes his stock drop.

[Cammo101]

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Could you elaborate on that? Because it seems he had a really bad tourney. Besides being able to dish out the assists, he only had one good scoring game. How the hell is that a GOOD tourney?

IMO, this is what makes his stock drop.

He averaged 14.5 ppg. and 6.5 apg. And that is counting the Austin Peay game where it was over before it started. Augustin controlled every game until the Memphis game and was the maestro behind the Texas juggernaut. He had a solid statistical tourney, but stats only show some of the story. Especially with point guards. Aside from Rose and possibly Brazelton, Auggy had the best tourney of any PG.

[sims]

i think it's pretty clear that DJ will be a better pro point guard than he was in college - he's going to thrive on the open space, better teammates, and more accommodating rules he'll see in the league than he has in college. unfortunately college really favors athleticism and length because the game is more congested. i mean there's no way all those no-calls happen on his drives to the hoop in the first half of the memphis game.

the pro game is more rewarding to players who can read defenses, find seams, and play the game intelligently and i expect his performance to reflect that. his size will always be his biggest issue but it's in no way a deal-breaker.

the mem/texas game didn't hurt DJ's stock as much as it helped rose's. this was really his coming out game where everyone's jaw hit the floor and put him squarely in the #1 overall discussion. honestly, he did things in that game that college point guards just don't do, and he hadn't done thus far in the season. it was an amazing performance.

[BigSlam]

Just have to say, I'm really enjoying this thread. Congrats to all involved for contributing in a civil and insightful manner. Pity it doesn't happen more!!

I agree with sims. DJ is one of those guys who, if he finds a seam in the D, can get to the rim and more importantly, when there, finish. With illegal D and more man to man in the NBA, he's going to find holes every where and get into the paint. He has that one footed fade away like Nash that he can use as well as super quick decision making to get others easy looks if the D collapses on him.

I also agree that the Texas/Memhis game helped Rose more than it hurt DJ.

[BubbaTee]

i acually agree with you but thats not the line of thinking some GMs have..look at Paxson, he loves drafting "winners"

True, for Paxson it's a huge deal.

Though, since Texas hasn't been ranked #1 all year, Paxson probably never had Augustin ahead of Rose, Collison, Westbrook, or Lawson to begin with. There has to be a reasonable limit to it, however. If Kansas wins it you can't go drafting Mario Chalmers ahead of DJ.