2007 vs. 2008

[bill curley II]

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However, from picks 12-20 there may be all players that are 6'9 and above,mostly 6'10 or 6'11, and SF-C.....SO, this year has a lot of quality mid-1st round big men, just not Oden, Durant, and Horford.................................

Let's see. On Nbadraft.net, the bigs from pick 12 and on are Kevin Love, Robin Lopez, Darrell Arthur, Roy Hibbert, Jason Thompson, DJ White, Serge Ibaka. I don't get too many Congo games on TV, so I don't know about Ibaka, but that's a pretty underwhelming bunch of names with the exception of Love, and maybe Arthur. You're looking at guys that are bench players at best probably, and more than likely, a good portion of that group will be out of the league in a couple years.

[wetsthebed]

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And if you take out Lebron the 07 class matches up more with the 03 class.

Silly thing to say

I worded it poorly. I mean that if you take out the top pick in each draft, the 08 draft looks better. Oden made the whole top of the 2007 draft look better than it was.

[BMiller52]

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Let's see. On Nbadraft.net, the bigs from pick 12 and on are Kevin Love, Robin Lopez, Darrell Arthur, Roy Hibbert, Jason Thompson, DJ White, Serge Ibaka. I don't get too many Congo games on TV, so I don't know about Ibaka, but that's a pretty underwhelming bunch of names with the exception of Love, and maybe Arthur. You're looking at guys that are bench players at best probably, and more than likely, a good portion of that group will be out of the league in a couple years.

draft.net blows though. On Draft express they are:
Donte Greene
Darrel Arthur
Marreese Speights
Javale McGee
Roy Hibbert
Earl Clark
Hasheem Thabeet
Ty Hansbrough
Jason Thompson
Richard Hendrix

that's just in the 1st round btw.

[bill curley II]

draft.net blows though. On Draft express they are:
Donte Greene
Darrel Arthur
Marreese Speights
Javale McGee
Roy Hibbert
Earl Clark
Hasheem Thabeet
Ty Hansbrough
Jason Thompson
Richard Hendrix

that's just in the 1st round btw.

Ok. I still see a pretty underwhelming list of names. I didn't see McGee play so I don't have an opinion on him, but out of that group, I see Thabeet being an above average starter, and everyone else as having too many holes in their games to be anything more than a 7th, 8th guy at best.

[BMiller52]

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Ok. I still see a pretty underwhelming list of names. I didn't see McGee play so I don't have an opinion on him, but out of that group, I see Thabeet being an above average starter, and everyone else as having too many holes in their games to be anything more than a 7th, 8th guy at best.

Eh I disagree. Speights was a good player on an underachieving team. I haven't seen too much of him to be honest but he reminded me a little of Al Jefferson. I think he ends up being a beast.


Arthur came up big in the national championship game, has a good post game and is a nice defender with a lot of athleticism. I'm really high on his game. He's inconsistent for sure, but the ability is there. He's shown plenty of flashes for me to be a believer in him.

McGee is pretty raw but he's an athlete with decent numbers(14/7 or . He's extremely athletic actually, 7 feet tall, and has a ton of potential. Good J too I guess.

Earl Clark I like a lot. He is a PF IMO, reminds me of a stronger/less explosive Josh Smith with a little more height. The guy's a good shotblocker and rebounder. He can drive, seems to show flashes of a post game, and he has a lot of potential. He's a good athlete. I remember in the louisville game vs UNC specifically he had atleast 3 nice shots in the post, he just messed up because he traveled(but they all went in). But if he had someone work with him on his post game I could see him definitely developing one.

Hibbert is a bust IMO.

I dislike Thabeet(which is funny considering he's the only 1 you like).

Thompson I don't think either of us have seen enough of him but he has nice height, decent athlete, from what I've seen good J, obviously a good rebounder and shotblocker. He has some potential.

I can see atleast 5 of them being pretty damn good.

[BubbaTee]

Lots of promising players picked relatively low as well (Brandan Wright at 8th, Noah at 9th, Hawes at 10th, Thad at 12th, Julian Wright at 13th, Al Thornton at 14th, Stuckey at 15th, Nick Young at 16th, Sean Williams at 17th, Critt at 19th, Daequan at 21st, Dudley at 22nd, Rudy at 24th, Landry at 31st, big baby at 35th - all have shown a lot of potential this year).

This rookie class is only disapointing to those who had unreasonable expectations. It's been disappointing that Oden hasn't played, but other than that, it's looking like a pretty good draft year.

They've been pretty solid when they've actually gotten meaningful playing time. As of early April, when getting 20+ minutes:

- Javaris Crittenton - 14.6 pts, 2.8 ast, 5.1 reb, 53% FG
- Aaron Brooks - 12 pts, 3.5 ast, 4 reb, 51% FG
- Rodney Stuckey - 13.6 pts, 3.7 ast, 3.4 reb, 49% FG
- Nick Young - 16.7 pts, 1.3 ast, 3 reb, 59% FG
- Spencer Hawes - 13.6 pts, 1.8 ast, 4.7 reb, 57% FG
- Julian Wright - 9.8 pts, 1.5 ast, 4.4 reb, 53% FG
- Carl Landry - 13.4 pts, 0.4 ast, 6.4 reb, 67% FG
- Glen Davis - 10.6 pts, 0.6 ast, 6.2 reb, 69% FG

[pillwenney]

I'll take the lottery of 07, but the with rest of it, 08 has the advantage IMO.

[JN]

I think 07 is more top heavy and deeper. The 07 class is having a pretty dang good rookie year.

I must be watching a different season then you.

[UGA Hayes]

^ or have really warped expectations for how well rookies play. Also outside of Oden and durant last years rookie class was relatively old and was an unusually tall rookie class. This years class is actually oler than you thing b/c so many of the freshman were old freshman but w/o the experience. Its also a pretty short rookie class.

A whopping 30 rookies recieved double digit. minutes playing time this year in over 50 games played. I'm pretty skeptical that this upcoming class has 30 guys who are going to avg double digit minutes

[ponder276]

How can people actually think 2008 is going to be deeper than 2007? Acie Law and Marco Belinelli are the only two players in the top 24 picks of 2007 who don't really seem like they have the ability to eventually be starters in this league. Even the 2nd round has some potential steals like Glen Davis, Carl Landry, Ramon Sessions, Aaron Gray, Dominic McGuire, Marc Gasol, etc. Picks 4 through 7 (Conley, Green, Yi and Brewer) have been a bit disappointing so far considering where they were picked, but other than that, 2007 is shaping up to be a very nice, very deep draft, assuming you don't expect every draft to be like 2003.

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Actually Acie Law has shown starter potential as well. He just can't stay healthy.

Law turned out to be very quick off the dribble which was the big question about him coming into the league.

[JN]

^ or have really warped expectations for how well rookies play.

There was unreasnable expectations for the lotto picks last year outside of the top two, and as a group (the lotto picks), even considering age, they have not performed better then past classes as rookies. Maybe I just have a better handle on this stuff then you, and you just have something warped.

[UGA Hayes]

What class outside of 2003 has done better than this years class since 2000?

[XcalibuR]

don't forget 07 also had steals in the 2nd round like Carl Landry, Glen Davis, Aaron Gray. While the late first round was pretty damn good too.

[XcalibuR]

What class outside of 2003 has done better than this years class since 2000?

class of 08 or 07?

[bill curley II]

What class outside of 2003 has done better than this years class since 2000?

04.

Superstar in Dwight Howard.

Couple of future top 10 starting centers with Okafor and Biedrins.

Then you also have some nice pf's in Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.

Perimeter guys liek Devin Harris, Ben Gordon, Ray Felton, Luol Deng, Igoudala, Kevin Martin, JR Smith, Sasha Vujacic, Jameer Nelson, Josh Childress.

[UGA Hayes]

^ I'm talking about as rookies not overall.

[DanTown8587]

2003 is the best draft class of the 2000s, not even close. Best player in the league (LBJ), three legitimate superstars (Wade, Bosh, Melo), two all stars (West, Howard), many great role guys (Hinrich, Ford, Diaw, Outlaw, Barbosa, Perkins, Korver, Mo Williams, Blake). I think one of the most succesful drafts in terms of players still in the league.