Luka Doncic

UcanUwill · Post #301 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:46 pm

Doncic has player index rating (PIR) of 20 at the half against Maccabi.
Super impressed with his defense and rebounding. He flat out shut down Sonny Weems in the first quarter, and did a good job on Devin SMith.
Every other aspect game is kinda mediocre to be honest, but by saying this, I understand that I hold such a huge double standard for this guy. I already expect to see something NBA star esque from him. Most Euros his age are playing in domestic second divisions now, while this guy is flirting with a triple double in an Euroleague game, its crazy.

UcanUwill · Post #302 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:44 pm

Near triple double in less than 26 minutes, wow. 32 PIR, new personal best.

saphan · Post #303 » by **saphan** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:48 pm

MVP of the game, and for the 2nd time MVP of the Euroleague week.

10p, 11r, 7a, 1s ..17y

Sports Geek · Post #304 » by **Sports Geek** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:55 pm

There are always pluses and minuses when you have a big PG. But I think you guys are only pointing out the minuses. Now imagine Chris Paul defending Doncic on the post. Can he defend him? I don't think so. So he can't play in the NBA. :lol:

And we are making him defend and being defended by NBA supertars. He is just 17, for God's sake. Don't you realize how much a body changes from 17 y.o. to 20 something?

This is LeBron in his rookie year:

Not even close to the body he has now. So please, let's understand Doncic should be playing high school basketball and let him and his body, mind and skills grow as the teen he is.

BTW he has been the player of the game in today's Euroleague game again. 10 points, 11 rebounds, 8 assists and 32 efficiency points in 26 minutes in Real Madrid's win over Maccabi Fox Tel Aviv. 2 assists shy of a triple double.

Sports Geek · Post #305 » by **Sports Geek** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:02 pm

And the most important thing, something that numbers don't say: the team plays much better with him on the court as a PG. The more contact he has with the ball, the better the team plays.

Sports Geek · Post #306 » by **Sports Geek** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:07 pm

I have just realized: 8 assists, 0 turnovers

XTraderXL · Post #307 » by **XTraderXL** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:12 pm

He had by far the best +/- today, +18. The team was -13 without him on the floor. The same story is in ACB, he has the highest +/- for the season there of all the players. He is effective even when he is not scoring, today he barely got any touches in the 2nd half and still managed to influence the game. Llull took over the offense and almost blew the game, without Luka Real would definitely loose today.

a3r0d · Post #308 » by **a3r0d** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:18 pm

saphan wrote:MVP of the game, and for the 2nd time MVP of the Euroleague week.

10p, 11r, 7a, 1s ..17y

Disgusting.Watched the game and he completely affects how the team plays. Also Laso kept on sticking him on the most important defensive assignments all night, so I don't know where those stupid "he's going to be a bad defender" opinions are coming from.

reanimator · Post #309 » by **reanimator** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:27 pm

No one said he is going to be a bad defender or can't play in the NBA. At least respond to what is being wrote.

I agree, he still has to mature physically (as I've stated prior) but comparing him to teenage Lebron is silly. Lebron was freakishly explosive despite being relatively skinny. I simply don't see Doncic suddenly gaining an elite 1st step or multiple gears to get separation from most NBA starting guards nor do I think he can stay in front of most of them. I think his playmaking ability and defensive versatility will shine at the forward spots....Curious about his ability to get to his pull-up or finish once he comes over, too. I really like him as a prospect but this is a draft forum where healthy and valid critique keeps the discussion going.

Sports Geek · Post #310 » by **Sports Geek** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:30 pm

XTraderXL wrote:He had by far the best +/- today, +18. The team was -13 without him on the floor. The same story is in ACB, he has the highest +/- for the season there of all the players. He is effective even when he is not scoring, today he barely got any touches in the 2nd half and still managed to influence the game. Llull took over the offense and almost blew the game, without Luka Real would definitely loose today.

32 PIR and just taking 5 shots. I don't know if there is another player in the Euroleague that can do that. Every day that goes by he seems to be better and better. I am shocked.

Sports Geek · Post #311 » by **Sports Geek** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:36 pm

reanimator wrote:No one said he is going to be a bad defender or can't play in the NBA. At least respond to what is being wrote.

I agree, he still has to mature physically (as I've stated prior) but comparing him to teenage Lebron is silly. Lebron was freakishly explosive despite being relatively skinny. I simply don't see Doncic suddenly gaining an elite 1st step or multiple gears to get separation from most NBA starting guards nor do I think he can stay in front of most of them. I think his playmaking ability and defensive versatility will shine at the forward spots....Curious about his ability to get to his pull-up or finish once he comes over, too. I really like him as a prospect but this is a draft forum where healthy and valid critique keeps the discussion going.

I didn't compare him to LeBron. I meant that even the best body in the game wasn't that big as a rookie either, so we should expect Doncic to become a much stronger and physically developed player. Obviously Lebron is one of the best bodies this game has ever seen.

reanimator · Post #312 » by **reanimator** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:39 pm

Sports Geek wrote:
reanimator wrote:No one said he is going to be a bad defender or can't play in the NBA. At least respond to what is being wrote.

I agree, he still has to mature physically (as I've stated prior) but comparing him to teenage Lebron is silly. Lebron was freakishly explosive despite being relatively skinny. I simply don't see Doncic suddenly gaining an elite 1st step or multiple gears to get separation from most NBA starting guards nor do I think he can stay in front of most of them. I think his playmaking ability and defensive versatility will shine at the forward spots....Curious about his ability to get to his pull-up or finish once he comes over, too. I really like him as a prospect but this is a draft forum where healthy and valid critique keeps the discussion going.

I didn't compare him to LeBron. I meant that even the best body in the game wasn't that big as a rookie either, so we should expect Doncic to become a much stronger and physically developed player. Obviously Lebron is one of the best bodies this game has ever seen.

I mean....I don't disagree? I can easily see him getting stronger and adding more verticality but speed/shift/agility are innate.

kayath · Post #313 » by **kayath** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:19 pm

reanimator wrote:
Sports Geek wrote:
reanimator wrote:No one said he is going to be a bad defender or can't play in the NBA. At least respond to what is being wrote.

I agree, he still has to mature physically (as I've stated prior) but comparing him to teenage Lebron is silly. Lebron was freakishly explosive despite being relatively skinny. I simply don't see Doncic suddenly gaining an elite 1st step or multiple gears to get separation from most NBA starting guards nor do I think he can stay in front of most of them. I think his playmaking ability and defensive versatility will shine at the forward spots....Curious about his ability to get to his pull-up or finish once he comes over, too. I really like him as a prospect but this is a draft forum where healthy and valid critique keeps the discussion going.

I didn't compare him to LeBron. I meant that even the best body in the game wasn't that big as a rookie either, so we should expect Doncic to become a much stronger and physically developed player. Obviously Lebron is one of the best bodies this game has ever seen.

I mean....I don't disagree? I can easily see him getting stronger and adding more verticality but speed/shift/agility are innate.

True i agree with that what you typed that it is highly possible that he wont gain much on speed and those attributes but that is not what makes him good, his high BB IQ is. Team leading usually comes with years of experience but not for him he just has it already so thinking about him improving on both those areas is simply just mind blowing. Can he become superstar in Nba?

3baller9 · Post #314 » by **3baller9** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:03 am

kayath wrote:Can he become superstar in Nba?

If he was drafted by the Lakers 1st overall in 1979 he would be in conversation for top 10 all time. The League has changed and only time will tell how well Magic reincarnated can adapt.

Sports Geek · Post #315 » by **Sports Geek** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:24 am

I don't know if someone posted this video before, but we are discussing about him being able to defend or attack really athletic NBA guards and we forgot he already played against Oladipo and Westbrook. Two super athletes.

Watch on YouTube

It wasn't his best game this season, but still it can help us to understand if he will be able to be dominant in the NBA in the future. After watching the video carefully, I have the same impression I had. Nothing wrong in his legs. As you will see in the video, he was able to make a good defense in a 1vs1 on Westbrook and beat 1vs1 Oladipo too, with a first step plus shoulder move. And he was able to rebound, block shots and all those things he does in Europe. I think he could already help in the NBA, not as a star obviously, but he is mature enough to be a rotation player. Popovich would give him quality minutes.

Kentavicius · Post #316 » by **Kentavicius** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:32 am

Watch on YouTube

SportsGuy8 · Post #317 » by **SportsGuy8** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:52 am

UcanUwill wrote:Doncic is destroying Rubio's records, but that doesn't mean he is better than Rubio. Rubio was exceptional talent, better than Doncic IMO for sure, his impact was always beyond the stat sheet.

I might be the biggest Rubio fan/homer, and I do agree that his talents were/are a lot more special and/or unique, but even playing for both Barca and Spain, Rubio showed the same flaws he has now, in that he's just not effective if he isn't the focal point of the offense. His whole contribution takes a nosedive, to the point where he even becomes a liability.

Doncic has no such flaws, since his game is extremely well-rounded. Sure, many NBA teams could completely misuse him also, however, even if that happens, he still has lots of ways to contribute nicely. And that's the main difference. Rubio needs a perfect situation to flourish, Doncic doesn't.

oddwolfhooligan · Post #318 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:44 pm

I remember that preseason game and Doncic looked pretty underwhelming when trying to stay in front of Oladipo and Westbrook. There's no question that his lateral quickness leaves a lot to be desired if he's defending guards. I don't really think that's a big deal though because no one should expecting that out of him. There are very few people his size who can pull that off. He'll be much better guarding 3s or 4s depending on the matchup.

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Sports Geek · Post #319 » by **Sports Geek** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:34 am

MVP of Euroleague's 17th round. For the second time in the last 5 rounds.

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UcanUwill · Post #320 » by **UcanUwill** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:03 pm

He is good defender at Euroleague level already. Coach Laso already uses him as primary defensive stopper it seems. Laso trusts his D more than Llull's, who I always thought was incredibly overrated on defense. Or at least I got that impression from Maccabi game.

Doncic started the game defending Sonny Weems, and did a great job, then for a limited time he guarded Devin Smith. And at the end of the game, Laso put Doncic on Goudelock, who was causing the most problems to Real Madrid on offense. Goudelock was hardest assignment for sure, Doncic struggled a lil bit with that match up.