Kira Lewis Jr.

[jezzerinho]

Dotson shot 36% last year and shoots 83% FTs (78% last year).

It's a question mark for him, his 3pt%, as is his tendency to rush things.

[Stillwater]

Dotson shot 36% last year and shoots 83% FTs (78% last year).

It's a question mark for him, his 3pt%, as is his tendency to rush things.

30% from 3 on 4 attempts per game is not good as a sophomore so if anything he declined from his 36% as a frosh. Look anyone can see he gets to the line ,has a decent iq and athleticism as well as
decent on ball defense, but the defense will not transfer with a 6 3" ws even if he is smart enough to read plays hed have to overcommit to ever get steals in the NBA or trying to pick the pocket of a bad ball handler

[jezzerinho]

Dotson shot 36% last year and shoots 83% FTs (78% last year).

It's a question mark for him, his 3pt%, as is his tendency to rush things.

30% from 3 on 4 attempts per game is not good as a sophomore so if anything he declined from his 36% as a frosh. Look anyone can see he gets to the line ,has a decent iq and athleticism as well as
decent on ball defense, but the defense will not transfer with a 6 3" ws even if he is smart enough to read plays hed have to overcommit to ever get steals in the NBA or trying to pick the pocket of a bad ball handler

4 of the top 5 PGs in 2019/20 by Defensive Win Shares are of fairly similar physical build to Dotson (Lowry, Van Vleet, Bledsoe, Paul). Nor is the top half dominated by long rangy PGs. Defense is as much an attitude as anything else (anticipation, foot speed and hip turn obvs help too).

Kira Lewis could turn out to be waaay better than Devon Dotson in the NBA. I just don't think it'll be because one guy was 2" taller than the other...

[Stillwater]

Dotson shot 36% last year and shoots 83% FTs (78% last year).

It's a question mark for him, his 3pt%, as is his tendency to rush things.

30% from 3 on 4 attempts per game is not good as a sophomore so if anything he declined from his 36% as a frosh. Look anyone can see he gets to the line ,has a decent iq and athleticism as well as
decent on ball defense, but the defense will not transfer with a 6 3" ws even if he is smart enough to read plays hed have to overcommit to ever get steals in the NBA or trying to pick the pocket of a bad ball handler

4 of the top 5 PGs in 2019/20 by Defensive Win Shares are of fairly similar physical build to Dotson (Lowry, Van Vleet, Bledsoe, Paul). Nor is the top half dominated by long rangy PGs. Defense is as much an attitude as anything else (anticipation, foot speed and hip turn obvs help too).

Kira Lewis could turn out to be waaay better than Devon Dotson in the NBA. I just don't think it'll be because one guy was 2" taller than the other...

No it will maybe be because lewis has a higher iq at a younger age entering the draft has a better first step handle etc and thats about it.
Nobody should count out dotson as a solid pro backup but there wasnt much interest last year enough for him to return and tbh his game declined fron 1st to 2nd years which says his priorities are not what nba scouts pine over

[TheSuzerain]

Lewis does not have a better first step than Dotson. Dotson is probably best in the draft in that regard.

[Stillwater]

Lewis does not have a better first step than Dotson. Dotson is probably best in the draft in that regard.

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

[TheSuzerain]

Lewis does not have a better first step than Dotson. Dotson is probably best in the draft in that regard.

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

I don't think so. Dotson plainly looks like the most explosive guard in the draft in terms of speed/quickness. He has other shortcomings obviously, but he's elite in that regard, and it's not at all subtle.

It's not like Kansas had good spacing. Dotson was just a complete mismatch at the college level with his speed/quickness/strength.

Lewis was a good slasher too, but he'd often rely on euro-steps and long strides to create separation. For Dotson, it was just pure speed/strength.

[Stillwater]

Lewis does not have a better first step than Dotson. Dotson is probably best in the draft in that regard.

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

I don't think so. Dotson plainly looks like the most explosive guard in the draft in terms of speed/quickness. He has other shortcomings obviously, but he's elite in that regard, and it's not at all subtle.

It's not like Kansas had good spacing. Dotson was just a complete mismatch at the college level with his speed/quickness/strength.

Lewis was a good slasher too, but he'd often rely on euro-steps and long strides to create separation. For Dotson, it was just pure speed/strength.

he is explosive but he is not long and lacks a change of pace game that Lewis has etc.
You can make an argument Dotson could outperform expectations but just going on draft stock I am thinking its
fairly below average at best based on not only the decline in shooting % by him but also his average at best creation ability in the right areas compared to Lewis who creates a ton of open 3's with over 50% of his dimes were to 3 point range shooters due too his pressure inside.
Overall imo Lewis is ranked 25-35 picks higher even if Dotson closes the gap after the draft.

[TheSuzerain]

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

I don't think so. Dotson plainly looks like the most explosive guard in the draft in terms of speed/quickness. He has other shortcomings obviously, but he's elite in that regard, and it's not at all subtle.

It's not like Kansas had good spacing. Dotson was just a complete mismatch at the college level with his speed/quickness/strength.

Lewis was a good slasher too, but he'd often rely on euro-steps and long strides to create separation. For Dotson, it was just pure speed/strength.

he is explosive but he is not long and lacks a change of pace game that Lewis has etc.
You can make an argument Dotson could outperform expectations but just going on draft stock I am thinking its
fairly below average at best based on not only the decline in shooting % by him but also his average at best creation ability in the right areas compared to Lewis who creates a ton of open 3's with over 50% of his dimes were to 3 point range shooters due too his pressure inside.
Overall imo Lewis is ranked 25-35 picks higher even if Dotson closes the gap after the draft.

Neither of those things relate to first-step quickness which is what we were debating. And I think you pretty clearly overrate Lewis' passing/creating ability. He seems mediocre there at the moment.

Lewis is 2 years younger, has the taller/longer frame, and is further along as a shooter. For this reason, I think he's the better prospect. But Dotson is a significantly better basketball player today, and if he goes 25-35 picks lower than Kira Lewis that'll mean Lewis was drafted too high or Dotson too low.

[BlazersBroncos]

Dotson has pretty outstanding advanced metrics but that 31% 3PT shot is going to tank him as he doesnt have the young label either.

I have said it before, but this draft has the best PG depth I have ever seen. No superstars, but just loads of guys who should at least be quality backups. Dotson, Lewis Jr, Winston, Flynn, Howard, Hagans, Madar, Mannion, Tre, Maladon, etc. I think all these guys have the talent to be backup PG's in this league and some will be avaliable in the 40's and 50's. There are just too many and teams will get reachy on the much less bountiful forwards and bigs.

[Stillwater]

I don't think so. Dotson plainly looks like the most explosive guard in the draft in terms of speed/quickness. He has other shortcomings obviously, but he's elite in that regard, and it's not at all subtle.

It's not like Kansas had good spacing. Dotson was just a complete mismatch at the college level with his speed/quickness/strength.

Lewis was a good slasher too, but he'd often rely on euro-steps and long strides to create separation. For Dotson, it was just pure speed/strength.

he is explosive but he is not long and lacks a change of pace game that Lewis has etc.
You can make an argument Dotson could outperform expectations but just going on draft stock I am thinking its
fairly below average at best based on not only the decline in shooting % by him but also his average at best creation ability in the right areas compared to Lewis who creates a ton of open 3's with over 50% of his dimes were to 3 point range shooters due too his pressure inside.
Overall imo Lewis is ranked 25-35 picks higher even if Dotson closes the gap after the draft.

Neither of those things relate to first-step quickness which is what we were debating. And I think you pretty clearly overrate Lewis' passing/creating ability. He seems mediocre there at the moment.

Lewis is 2 years younger, has the taller/longer frame, and is further along as a shooter. For this reason, I think he's the better prospect. But Dotson is a significantly better basketball player today, and if he goes 25-35 picks lower than Kira Lewis that'll mean Lewis was drafted too high or Dotson too low.

I am not debating it. Dotson is not the same stock in this draft regardless of how you feel about his game transferring and I am not at all the only one that thinks that.

[TheSuzerain]

he is explosive but he is not long and lacks a change of pace game that Lewis has etc.
You can make an argument Dotson could outperform expectations but just going on draft stock I am thinking its
fairly below average at best based on not only the decline in shooting % by him but also his average at best creation ability in the right areas compared to Lewis who creates a ton of open 3's with over 50% of his dimes were to 3 point range shooters due too his pressure inside.
Overall imo Lewis is ranked 25-35 picks higher even if Dotson closes the gap after the draft.

Neither of those things relate to first-step quickness which is what we were debating. And I think you pretty clearly overrate Lewis' passing/creating ability. He seems mediocre there at the moment.

Lewis is 2 years younger, has the taller/longer frame, and is further along as a shooter. For this reason, I think he's the better prospect. But Dotson is a significantly better basketball player today, and if he goes 25-35 picks lower than Kira Lewis that'll mean Lewis was drafted too high or Dotson too low.

I am not debating it. Dotson is not the same stock in this draft regardless of how you feel about his game transferring and I am not at all the only one that thinks that.

Stop moving the goal posts. Makes for bad discussion. I responded to the below. You're Stillwater, right?

Lewis does not have a better first step than Dotson. Dotson is probably best in the draft in that regard.

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

[Stillwater]

Neither of those things relate to first-step quickness which is what we were debating. And I think you pretty clearly overrate Lewis' passing/creating ability. He seems mediocre there at the moment.

Lewis is 2 years younger, has the taller/longer frame, and is further along as a shooter. For this reason, I think he's the better prospect. But Dotson is a significantly better basketball player today, and if he goes 25-35 picks lower than Kira Lewis that'll mean Lewis was drafted too high or Dotson too low.

I am not debating it. Dotson is not the same stock in this draft regardless of how you feel about his game transferring and I am not at all the only one that thinks that.

Stop moving the goal posts. Makes for bad discussion. I responded to the below. You're Stillwater, right?

Lewis does not have a better first step than Dotson. Dotson is probably best in the draft in that regard.

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

This draft is loaded with ball dominant guards and all it takes is one org to like him for me to be proven wrong on the surface but the truth is I cant in very many scenarios see him going before similar prospects as far as floor and upside as the floor general like Jones Pritchard or even a less proven one like Terry or Mannion. Thats after the likes of other questionable floor pgs like Mannion Maledon etc.
Not too mention the early round guards like Anthony Halliburton Ball Hayes Lewis etc one or two of whom will slide some and impact team decisions with better prospects available than picking for needs at the 1 guard spot in the first round.
I think Dotson falls into a similar draft range as Breein Tyree as a late 2nd target for a lot of orgs and maybe he moves up for one of the rosters that lacks pg depth but it wouldnt surprise me at all if he went UDFA even if he deserves a mid 2nd pick or higher.

[doordoor123]

I am not debating it. Dotson is not the same stock in this draft regardless of how you feel about his game transferring and I am not at all the only one that thinks that.

Stop moving the goal posts. Makes for bad discussion. I responded to the below. You're Stillwater, right?

c'mon really ? clearly a biased statement there imo

This draft is loaded with ball dominant guards and all it takes is one org to like him for me to be proven wrong on the surface but the truth is I cant in very many scenarios see him going before similar prospects as far as floor and upside as the floor general like Jones Pritchard or even a less proven one like Terry or Mannion. Thats after the likes of other questionable floor pgs like Mannion Maledon etc.
Not too mention the early round guards like Anthony Halliburton Ball Hayes Lewis etc one or two of whom will slide some and impact team decisions with better prospects available than picking for needs at the 1 guard spot in the first round.
I think Dotson falls into a similar draft range as Breein Tyree as a late 2nd target for a lot of orgs and maybe he moves up for one of the rosters that lacks pg depth but it wouldnt surprise me at all if he went UDFA even if he deserves a mid 2nd pick or higher.

Dotson apparently worked out with Donovan Mitchell today and the Jazz are really liking what they're seeing. I think a lot of these guards could really go anywhere between the late first all the way to the end of the second and possibly undrafted.

I think a good amount of these guys can learn to play off-ball. Cassius Winston couldn't play off-ball when he first started college and is now one of the better off-ball shooters. I also think there is a lot of potential with a lot of these guys to play off ball. There actually isnt a player in this bunch I wouldn't draft. I'm really a fan of them all.

LaMelo Ball
Killian Hayes
Tyrese Haliburton
Kira Lewis Jr
Tyrese Maxey
RJ Hampton
Cole Anthony
Tyrell Terry
Grant Riller
Theo Maledon
Tre Jones
Ty-Shon Alexander
Nico Mannion
Devon Dotson
Malachi Flynn
Immanuel Quickly
Sam Merrill
Payton Pritchard
Cassius Winston

[SeattleJazzFan]

i watched lewis a ton over the last couple years and he's always looked big to me. like 6'5". I think he measures at least 6'3", but generally guys with longer wingspans look bigger on TV, so i wouldn't be surprised to see a 6'9" or so wingspan on him regardless of how tall he measures.

[SamFlow]

Apparently the Suns really like him. They’ve worked him out twice. I wonder if they’re either taking him at 10 or if they’re going to trade back a little for him.

They should take him at 10. Knicks should at 8.

Not sure why Killian Hayes is rated higher but whatever.

Hayes, they say the pistons like. I watch the video and just don't quite get it.

[doordoor123]

Apparently the Suns really like him. They’ve worked him out twice. I wonder if they’re either taking him at 10 or if they’re going to trade back a little for him.

They should take him at 10. Knicks should at 8.

Not sure why Killian Hayes is rated higher but whatever.

Hayes, they say the pistons like. I watch the video and just don't quite get it.

I don’t think the Pistons necessarily like Hayes, but he’s close with Sekou Doumbouya and the Pistons have said they’re going to draft a PG. I actually think Haliburton has just as much of a chance. Haliburton said he would love to stay in the Midwest and play closer to home, which he mentioned after Detroit interviewed him.

[SamFlow]

They should take him at 10. Knicks should at 8.

Not sure why Killian Hayes is rated higher but whatever.

Hayes, they say the pistons like. I watch the video and just don't quite get it.

I don’t think the Pistons necessarily like Hayes, but he’s close with Sekou Doumbouya and the Pistons have said they’re going to draft a PG. I actually think Haliburton has just as much of a chance. Haliburton said he would love to stay in the Midwest and play closer to home, which he mentioned after Detroit interviewed him.

For the guys they say will be there, I'm all over Devin Vassell. then a trade to get back into the first and grab another pg in the teens. Flynn, Lewis, Anthony. Vassell is my guy of all that are there. The israeli maybe, if he falls.