Best projected defenders (2020)?

[getrichordie]

What about Cassius Stanley as a defender?

Stanley is okay. Projects to be maybe slightly above, in my eyes. Statistically, he isn't shining anywhere. Not great on d-boards or stocks.

[eminence]

College guys only (and guys who played, sorry Wiseman, just don't have the time/resources to watch the others). My top picks at each position.

PG - Haliburton
SG - Vassell
SF - T. Bey
PF - Reed
C - Okongwu

[The-Power]

College guys only (and guys who played, sorry Wiseman, just don't have the time/resources to watch the others). My top picks at each position.

PG - Haliburton
SG - Vassell
SF - T. Bey
PF - Reed
C - Okongwu

Thoughts on Josh Green? He's arguably been the prospect with the best motor among highly-recruited players that I've seen in a while.

[eminence]

College guys only (and guys who played, sorry Wiseman, just don't have the time/resources to watch the others). My top picks at each position.

PG - Haliburton
SG - Vassell
SF - T. Bey
PF - Reed
C - Okongwu

Thoughts on Josh Green? He's arguably been the prospect with the best motor among highly-recruited players that I've seen in a while.

I like him quite a lot, been watching some Arizona recently, seems like the best prospect on that squad at least. Athleticism clearly there, I see good decision making all over the floor, some skill stuff to work on, but there's a base there. I think he's pretty comparable to Vassell/Bey.

Just starting to really put together a (college-only) list, may be ready in a week or so.

[No-Man]

Tyler Bey is really overrated around here man

[Nazrmohamed]

Tyler Bey is really overrated around here man

Why do you say so? What are we not seeing?

[realEAST]

Tyler Bey is really overrated around here man

Why do you say so? What are we not seeing?

Sorry to burge in, but wanted to add I kind of agree here on T. Bey. I started following him closer at the start of the season, and by the end of it my enthusiasm fell down to a poinz where I think he could end up a early 2nd rather than mis to late 1st pick.

His defensive numbers look really good, and he'll likely be a good defender on NBA level, but not sure he'll ever be a lockdown guy that they might suggest. On one hand he is playing as big man, not guarding perimeter as much, so it is hard to say how he'd fare against top NBA wings.
He is also an older (22.5) prospect, and is just athletically overwhelming - difference is going to be a lot less in NBA.

And that's true on offense too - he is more of a power finisher without real finess and his handling is limited even on college scale. His shooting is looking more like a mirage than a real thing - sure, percentages are looking good but it is on such a small sample size, and given fact that he never hit two 3s in a single game (look at the game logs, it's mostly 0/1, 1/1 or 1/2 - if he attempted more shots, those are all misses) - and those are almost exclusively wide open looks.

He has a great energy and motor, is really athletic and a great rebounder and that likely translates. He will likely be a good defender, but not a great one. So I see him more as an energy forward / big off the bench, in a smaller role (4th guy in a big men rotation)

[Nazrmohamed]

Tyler Bey is really overrated around here man

Why do you say so? What are we not seeing?

Sorry to burge in, but wanted to add I kind of agree here on T. Bey. I started following him closer at the start of the season, and by the end of it my enthusiasm fell down to a poinz where I think he could end up a early 2nd rather than mis to late 1st pick.

His defensive numbers look really good, and he'll likely be a good defender on NBA level, but not sure he'll ever be a lockdown guy that they might suggest. On one hand he is playing as big man, not guarding perimeter as much, so it is hard to say how he'd fare against top NBA wings.
He is also an older (22.5) prospect, and is just athletically overwhelming - difference is going to be a lot less in NBA.

And that's true on offense too - he is more of a power finisher without real finess and his handling is limited even on college scale. His shooting is looking more like a mirage than a real thing - sure, percentages are looking good but it is on such a small sample size, and given fact that he never hit two 3s in a single game (look at the game logs, it's mostly 0/1, 1/1 or 1/2 - if he attempted more shots, those are all misses) - and those are almost exclusively wide open looks.

He has a great energy and motor, is really athletic and a great rebounder and that likely translates. He will likely be a good defender, but not a great one. So I see him more as an energy forward / big off the bench, in a smaller role (4th guy in a big men rotation)

Yeah but the thread doesn't say wing defender (although you can't be the best unless you guard 3 positions these days), it said defender. And it also never asked the players total ceiling. In other words Bey doesn't have to be even a decent offensive player to win this award for me.

But I hope thats not the case. I don't know that he'll be specifically the best wing defender, or big defender or guard defender but he has the greatest ability in this draft to guard all three very effectively. He covers space and moves his feet very well on defense, long arms and great timing. I think hes more of a 2/3/4 defender while someone like Vassell is more like a 2/3 exclusively.

We're not talking about better overall player here at which point I'd choose Vassell for his offense. Vassel could go anywhere from 9-14 while Bey is 24-30. I just took small offense to OVERATED. I think everything has been taken account for just right and he is perfectly rated.

[realEAST]

Why do you say so? What are we not seeing?

Sorry to burge in, but wanted to add I kind of agree here on T. Bey. I started following him closer at the start of the season, and by the end of it my enthusiasm fell down to a poinz where I think he could end up a early 2nd rather than mis to late 1st pick.

His defensive numbers look really good, and he'll likely be a good defender on NBA level, but not sure he'll ever be a lockdown guy that they might suggest. On one hand he is playing as big man, not guarding perimeter as much, so it is hard to say how he'd fare against top NBA wings.
He is also an older (22.5) prospect, and is just athletically overwhelming - difference is going to be a lot less in NBA.

And that's true on offense too - he is more of a power finisher without real finess and his handling is limited even on college scale. His shooting is looking more like a mirage than a real thing - sure, percentages are looking good but it is on such a small sample size, and given fact that he never hit two 3s in a single game (look at the game logs, it's mostly 0/1, 1/1 or 1/2 - if he attempted more shots, those are all misses) - and those are almost exclusively wide open looks.

He has a great energy and motor, is really athletic and a great rebounder and that likely translates. He will likely be a good defender, but not a great one. So I see him more as an energy forward / big off the bench, in a smaller role (4th guy in a big men rotation)

Yeah but the thread doesn't say wing defender (although you can't be the best unless you guard 3 positions these days), it said defender. And it also never asked the players total ceiling. In other words Bey doesn't have to be even a decent offensive player to win this award for me.

But I hope thats not the case. I don't know that he'll be specifically the best wing defender, or big defender or guard defender but he has the greatest ability in this draft to guard all three very effectively. He covers space and moves his feet very well on defense, long arms and great timing. I think hes more of a 2/3/4 defender while someone like Vassell is more like a 2/3 exclusively.

We're not talking about better overall player here at which point I'd choose Vassell for his offense. Vassel could go anywhere from 9-14 while Bey is 24-30. I just took small offense to OVERATED. I think everything has been taken account for just right and he is perfectly rated.

I responded in general because I think original remark was also made in relation to his general ability.
Speaking strictly of defense, I think only questionmark stems from him playing more on the inside than on the perimeter in the NCAA, and I think he'll be mostly guarding perimeter in NBA. But he has great tools, and should be a good defender, I agree there.

[remi_222]

Yves Pons is the best defender coming out this year !

[No-Man]

I would say Wiseman, Avdija, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell, Green, Jones, N'Doye, Tillman, Henry, Hinton and Alexander are kinda the standouts

[nolang1]

College guys only (and guys who played, sorry Wiseman, just don't have the time/resources to watch the others). My top picks at each position.

PG - Haliburton
SG - Vassell
SF - T. Bey
PF - Reed
C - Okongwu

Hard to argue with that and with Wiseman I would say based on his play in the high school all-star games and college, he seems to have gotten enough self-awareness to realize he can be a max contract player if he focuses on his defense.

[Ruzious]

College guys only (and guys who played, sorry Wiseman, just don't have the time/resources to watch the others). My top picks at each position.

PG - Haliburton
SG - Vassell
SF - T. Bey
PF - Reed
C - Okongwu

I like that list, but Reed is the one that I haven't got a handle on. His blocks and steals stats are terrific, but when I've watched him, I haven't been impressed. He's not physically imposing, I saw him get out-maneuvered in 1 on 1 situations too easily by slower players, and his athleticism didn't stand out. Maybe my expectations were out of wack, because I saw his stats and expected to see a defensive phenom.

[Stillwater]

Yves Pons is the best defender coming out this year !

maybe top 5 but what he is by a good margin is the most impressive athlete.

[Klomp]

McDaniels is never going to be strong/big enough

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