Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft

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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#41 » by Marcus » Wed Jun 9, 2021 10:46 pm

clyde21 wrote:quick shout out to Naz Reid btw who I completely forgot, not sure where he'd go but second season he's averaging 21/9/2/2 per 36, good efficiency, hitting 35% of his 3s...as a big that's huge, he might get a big(ish) contract relatively soon with that skill set

really the depth in this class is turning out to be bonkers.


Never understood why he wasn't drafted to begin with
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#42 » by Marcus » Wed Jun 9, 2021 10:56 pm

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Stillwater wrote:I think its still a bit early but some are obviously developing faster than others...
example I think the jury is still way out on Sekou who hasnt had a real pg and is in a giant dumpster fire


Slight dredge up of an old post but I'm curious as to why guys like Saddiq Bey and Isaiah Stewart can develop and play well in this so-called "dumpster fire" but Sekou can't?


had a similar question. with the situation being what it was in Detroit once they were able to move Rose and Griffin i didn't understand how Sekou got zero playing time with all the youth they were throwing out there on the court.

Jerami Grant getting his Dan Granger on, two rookie PGs, the Jackson's reclaiming their NBA careers, DSJ and Okafor staking their claim for the "I told you so" award, Stewart, Bey, and some vets collecting checks, just seemed like Sekou could have fit in there somewhere. Wouldn't think he would be considered more of a developmental project than Diallo.

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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#43 » by OhCanada1091 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:08 am

Everyone here has Hunter way too high. Hunter has had 2 meniscus tears now in different knees. Thats like having 2 flat tires on a bike.


1 Zion Williamson
2 Ja Morant
3 RJ Barrett
4 Darius Garland
5 Tyler Herro
6 PJ Washington
7 Keldon Johnson
8 Rui Hachimora
9 Deandre Hunter
10 Lou Dort
11 Brandon Clarke
12 NAW
13 Terrence Mann
14 Matisse Thybulle
15 Cam Johnson
16 Kevin Porter Jr.
17 Darius Bazley
18 Luka Samanic
19 Daniel Gafford
20 Nicolas Claxton
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#44 » by OhCanada1091 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:11 am

CptCrunch wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:Right now if I had to guess how the class pans out:

Super Stars
1. Zion
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All Stars
2. Barrett
3. Morant
4. Garland

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Good starters with all star upside if things break right
5. Hunter
6. Herro
7. Keldon
8. Washington
9. Rui

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Guys who are either big risks w/ real upside or solid rotation guys w/ low risk

10. Clarke
11. Tybull
12. Dort
13. Tucker
14. Claxton
15. Johnson
16. NAW
17. Bol
18. Hayes
19. Porter Jr
20. Bazley


I literally cannot believe some of you still list Reddish as a top-20 guy. He didnt have a pulse in college, he didnt have a pulse as a rookie, and hes only getting worse. How much more proof do we need that hes awful at basketball.


He is still 21. The worst case scenario is that he fully figures it out after 5 years and becomes a role/bench player for someone. That level of pure shooting in the gym, silky shot, smooth athleticism is simply too good to amount to nothing.


He won't even be in the league in 5 years unless he fixes it quick. Atlanta made a huge leap, their players are developing well while Reddish is digressing. No good. Your probably high on Ziare Williams and Brandon Boston as well.
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#45 » by TB » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:01 am

Jordan Poole understandably wasn't on any of these lists halfway through his 2nd season, but he came on seriously strong after the G-League bubble to the point that he was Warriors only reliable scorer after Steph and Wiggins. I'd say he's a top 20 guy from this draft and projects to be a solid rotation player.
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#46 » by Stillwater » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:15 am

Marcus wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
Stillwater wrote:I think its still a bit early but some are obviously developing faster than others...
example I think the jury is still way out on Sekou who hasnt had a real pg and is in a giant dumpster fire


Slight dredge up of an old post but I'm curious as to why guys like Saddiq Bey and Isaiah Stewart can develop and play well in this so-called "dumpster fire" but Sekou can't?


had a similar question. with the situation being what it was in Detroit once they were able to move Rose and Griffin i didn't understand how Sekou got zero playing time with all the youth they were throwing out there on the court.

Jerami Grant getting his Dan Granger on, two rookie PGs, the Jackson's reclaiming their NBA careers, DSJ and Okafor staking their claim for the "I told you so" award, Stewart, Bey, and some vets collecting checks, just seemed like Sekou could have fit in there somewhere. Wouldn't think he would be considered more of a developmental project than Diallo.

Am i missing something?

I mean Grant is probably the main reason for the lack of playing time, but that is what I mean with Detroit not developing projects the right way. sitting never develops anyone
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#47 » by Mr Peanut » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:43 am

Stillwater wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
Slight dredge up of an old post but I'm curious as to why guys like Saddiq Bey and Isaiah Stewart can develop and play well in this so-called "dumpster fire" but Sekou can't?


had a similar question. with the situation being what it was in Detroit once they were able to move Rose and Griffin i didn't understand how Sekou got zero playing time with all the youth they were throwing out there on the court.

Jerami Grant getting his Dan Granger on, two rookie PGs, the Jackson's reclaiming their NBA careers, DSJ and Okafor staking their claim for the "I told you so" award, Stewart, Bey, and some vets collecting checks, just seemed like Sekou could have fit in there somewhere. Wouldn't think he would be considered more of a developmental project than Diallo.

Am i missing something?

I mean Grant is probably the main reason for the lack of playing time, but that is what I mean with Detroit not developing projects the right way. sitting never develops anyone


I'm not sure you watched our games, but to be honest I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.

Sekou was largely terrible. Casey did only play him 13-14 MPG for the first couple of months of the season but this wouldn't be considered unexpected for a 20 year old project. Not to mention Blake was still logging decent minutes for the team at that stage. Later on he was getting outplayed by our 10 day contract player Tyler Cook so started to lose his place in the rotation. However, he did play 28 MPG over the last 8 games of the season but didn't blow anyone away.

In contrast though, young players that were given decent minutes and made strides during the season included Isaiah Stewart (who any Pistons fan will tell you was noticeably better by the end of the season compared to the start), Saddiq Bey (was more of a polished college prospect coming into the league but still continued to develop), Saben Lee, Frank Jackson, hell even Dennis Smith Jr (before he got injured).

So once again, not sure where this "Detroit not developing projects the right way" narrative comes from. Maybe true during the SVG tenure but that was a few years ago now.
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#48 » by Stillwater » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:54 pm

Mr Peanut wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Marcus wrote:
had a similar question. with the situation being what it was in Detroit once they were able to move Rose and Griffin i didn't understand how Sekou got zero playing time with all the youth they were throwing out there on the court.

Jerami Grant getting his Dan Granger on, two rookie PGs, the Jackson's reclaiming their NBA careers, DSJ and Okafor staking their claim for the "I told you so" award, Stewart, Bey, and some vets collecting checks, just seemed like Sekou could have fit in there somewhere. Wouldn't think he would be considered more of a developmental project than Diallo.

Am i missing something?

I mean Grant is probably the main reason for the lack of playing time, but that is what I mean with Detroit not developing projects the right way. sitting never develops anyone


I'm not sure you watched our games, but to be honest I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.

Sekou was largely terrible. Casey did only play him 13-14 MPG for the first couple of months of the season but this wouldn't be considered unexpected for a 20 year old project. Not to mention Blake was still logging decent minutes for the team at that stage. Later on he was getting outplayed by our 10 day contract player Tyler Cook so started to lose his place in the rotation. However, he did play 28 MPG over the last 8 games of the season but didn't blow anyone away.

In contrast though, young players that were given decent minutes and made strides during the season included Isaiah Stewart (who any Pistons fan will tell you was noticeably better by the end of the season compared to the start), Saddiq Bey (was more of a polished college prospect coming into the league but still continued to develop), Saben Lee, Frank Jackson, hell even Dennis Smith Jr (before he got injured).

So once again, not sure where this "Detroit not developing projects the right way" narrative comes from. Maybe true during the SVG tenure but that was a few years ago now.

CLE will take him off your hands for a 2nd rounder if he is that bad then...lol.
I would say an offseason in the gym with Hayes and maybe he turns it around but I dont have any confidence in most nba orgs being willing to play projects if there is someone better available and that is the problem with drafting projects and not playing them a lot etc. He can shoot it, he is athletic as hell and he is raw as a player and needs to play to learn simple stuff. if you dont play the raw project he will fade away and be a bust or a reclamation player elsewhere. Send him to Houston I bet he shows up and plays.
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#49 » by Ball4life32 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:10 am

OhCanada1091 wrote:Everyone here has Hunter way too high. Hunter has had 2 meniscus tears now in different knees. Thats like having 2 flat tires on a bike.


1 Zion Williamson
2 Ja Morant
3 RJ Barrett
4 Darius Garland
5 Tyler Herro
6 PJ Washington
7 Keldon Johnson
8 Rui Hachimora
9 Deandre Hunter
10 Lou Dort
11 Brandon Clarke
12 NAW
13 Terrence Mann
14 Matisse Thybulle
15 Cam Johnson
16 Kevin Porter Jr.
17 Darius Bazley
18 Luka Samanic
19 Daniel Gafford
20 Nicolas Claxton

But it wasn’t different knees…he’s having surgery on the right knee again.
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Re: Re-Assessing the 2019 Draft 

Post#50 » by EvanZ » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:32 pm

I see everyone is sleeping on Okeke (again).

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