Ben Simmons

[crazy_me_87]

just wanted to drop that here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X90mxVM_160

It really looks like he worked ALOT on his shot recently. The weird "hitch" he had seems to be gone. Looks much,much smoother now.

Honestly i still think given how his shot looks here... Ben could very well already!! be a better shooter than most people think. I mean he obviously wont be a sniper but considering most people think he has NO Jumper at all... even beeing able to Knock down wide open Jumpers would be a helluva suprise.

When it comes to professional basketball players, if they do not knock down at least 5 shots from the same spot then it's a troubling video to post.

I am not standing here saying he is a good shooter now.. but the Last Video he made maybe 2 or 3 from 10 Threes in a Shootaround. Making 4/5 or something like that is an improvement nonetheless.

Also its mor about his Form. If you watched his previeous footage you can see he had a weird hitch in his Shot and now its much smoother.

Its not "oh wow we were all wrong he shoots like Durant" ... far,far from it. Just saying there are visible improvements and thats a good sign.

[rumdiary]

My thoughts on Ben Simmons:

Shoots and Layups like Blake Griffin (not good), Brett Brown isn't worried and thinks this can be fixed (see 'Herd' interview), but I'm not so sure

Passes like Lebron James (very good)

Cancerous but dominant mentality like Kobe Bryant (good and bad), Aussie and LSU colleagues alike seem to have some dislike for Simmons, he (quite obviously in my opinion) didn't care about LSU's season but that's because he has his sights set on the long goal of being an NBA superstar

Marketable, eloquent, intelligent and already has Rich Paul as an agent, already acts like NBA Royalty (very good)


Two things that stick with me are both hypotheticals:

1). If he played for Duke alongside Ingram would there still be a discussion about who was #1?
2). Ingram is 1 year younger than Simmons, would Ingram be consensus #1 with a whole extra year of development under his belt?

#1 is a conundrum this year.

[Unbreakable99]

My thoughts on Ben Simmons:

Shoots like Blake Griffin (not good), Brett Brown isn't worried and thinks this can be fixed (see 'Herd' interview), but I'm not so sure
Passes like Lebron James (very good)
Cancerous but dominant mentality like Kobe Bryant (good and bad), Aussie and LSU colleagues alike seem to have some dislike for Simmons, he (quite obviously in my opinion) didn't care about LSU's season but that's because he has his sights set on the long goal of being an NBA superstar
Marketable, eloquent, intelligent and already has Rich Paul as an agent, already acts like NBA Royalty (very good)

Two things that stick with me are both hypotheticals:

1). If he played for Duke alongside Ingram would there still be a discussion about who was #1?
2). Ingram is 1 year younger than Simmons, would Ingram be consensus #1 with a whole extra year of development under his belt?

#1 is a conundrum this year.

Number one is not a conundrum. It's Simmons and it's not even close. Also his teammate Quarterman came out and saidin an interview that Simmons was a great teammate. I doubt he would say he wasn't a good teammate even if he was though. Simmons is a special talent.

[76ciology]

What do you think is stopping Simmons from playing SF? I think he is quick enough. Yes, he can't shoot but didn't Giannis also played non-shooter point forward last season?

[GimmeDat]

The bad attitude is just talk..

Every great player has a healthy ego, doesn't mean he's a bad guy. In what instance has his character been a detriment to his team. Let's be honest, his season with LSU would've been a testing one, even if he did put himself in that situation.

His form's looking solid in the clips we've seen - it'll be a process, but so long as it's fundamentally sound, he should at least become respectable. I think the jump shot concerns are amplified because he simply didn't take them at the college level. Is he an above average shooter? No. But I remember watching him play against our state's pro team here last year and he knocked down a couple of 3's. He should be fine long term.

[rumdiary]

Number one is not a conundrum. It's Simmons and it's not even close. Also his teammate Quarterman came out and saidin an interview that Simmons was a great teammate. I doubt he would say he wasn't a good teammate even if he was though. Simmons is a special talent.

It's great that you're so sure, but you're in the minority. The #1 pick could go either way this year.

[Unbreakable99]

Number one is not a conundrum. It's Simmons and it's not even close. Also his teammate Quarterman came out and saidin an interview that Simmons was a great teammate. I doubt he would say he wasn't a good teammate even if he was though. Simmons is a special talent.

It's great that you're so sure, but you're in the minority. The #1 pick could go either way this year.

Incorrect. There is no decision. It's very clear it's Simmons. The Sixers have all but said they are taking Simmons. And every team would tale Simmons over Ingram had they had the number one pick.

[cksdayoff]

hope that jumper develops. his release is painfully slow

[Unbreakable99]

I can't to see him wearing his shoes in a Sixers uniform.

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[eskimo]

hope that jumper develops. his release is painfully slow

The jumper is slow but he is also going to be a lot quicker than the player guarding him and does have an 8-11 reach and is a good jumper so he's not going to be easy to defend. He just has to shoot well enough to get defenders to respect it to open up his drive game and pick and roll opportunities.

Simmons' big advantage over Ingram is that he is both big and ball dominant which is an unusual combination. When you are ball dominant it is much easier to have a big effect on the game than when you are a finisher. For finishers to be amongst the top 15 players in the game they usually also have to be great defenders as well (Leonard, Butler, George).

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hope that jumper develops. his release is painfully slow

The jumper is slow but he is also going to be a lot quicker than the player guarding him and does have an 8-11 reach and is a good jumper so he's not going to be easy to defend. He just has to shoot well enough to get defenders to respect it to open up his drive game and pick and roll opportunities.

Simmons' big advantage over Ingram is that he is both big and ball dominant which is an unusual combination. When you are ball dominant it is much easier to have a big effect on the game than when you are a finisher. For finishers to be amongst the top 15 players in the game they usually also have to be great defenders as well (Leonard, Butler, George).

If 4s are guarding him 8-11 reach is nothing to really write home about no? Simmons will have the speed advantage on most of them sure.

Yes Simmons is a unique prospect, if he can't shoot and isn't dominant for some reason though he's just not very playable.

I think Simmons is a better prospect to build around that's true, on the other hand Ingram is a piece that can basically fit anywhere and function, where as Simmons' fit in teams NOT built around him would likely be a disaster.

[76ciology]

hope that jumper develops. his release is painfully slow

The jumper is slow but he is also going to be a lot quicker than the player guarding him and does have an 8-11 reach and is a good jumper so he's not going to be easy to defend. He just has to shoot well enough to get defenders to respect it to open up his drive game and pick and roll opportunities.

Simmons' big advantage over Ingram is that he is both big and ball dominant which is an unusual combination. When you are ball dominant it is much easier to have a big effect on the game than when you are a finisher. For finishers to be amongst the top 15 players in the game they usually also have to be great defenders as well (Leonard, Butler, George).

If 4s are guarding him 8-11 reach is nothing to really write home about no? Simmons will have the speed advantage on most of them sure.

Yes Simmons is a unique prospect, if he can't shoot and isn't dominant for some reason though he's just not very playable.

I think Simmons is a better prospect to build around that's true, on the other hand Ingram is a piece that can basically fit anywhere and function, where as Simmons' fit in teams NOT built around him would likely be a disaster.

Only thing stopping Simmons from being a high level star is his shooting. I guess Sixers is just willing to bet on Simmons shooting versus Ingram's lack of superstar skillset and weight concerns.

If Simmons' can shoot, he can not only fit with any team but would be easy to build around.

If Simmons' can't shoot, he'll have to play small ball 4 in the Draymond/Griffin role with Biid or Jah or Noel and 3&D players.

[eskimo]

hope that jumper develops. his release is painfully slow

The jumper is slow but he is also going to be a lot quicker than the player guarding him and does have an 8-11 reach and is a good jumper so he's not going to be easy to defend. He just has to shoot well enough to get defenders to respect it to open up his drive game and pick and roll opportunities.

Simmons' big advantage over Ingram is that he is both big and ball dominant which is an unusual combination. When you are ball dominant it is much easier to have a big effect on the game than when you are a finisher. For finishers to be amongst the top 15 players in the game they usually also have to be great defenders as well (Leonard, Butler, George).

If 4s are guarding him 8-11 reach is nothing to really write home about no? Simmons will have the speed advantage on most of them sure.

Yes Simmons is a unique prospect, if he can't shoot and isn't dominant for some reason though he's just not very playable.

I think Simmons is a better prospect to build around that's true, on the other hand Ingram is a piece that can basically fit anywhere and function, where as Simmons' fit in teams NOT built around him would likely be a disaster.

I think there are some concerns with fit on an average team in the sense that they are geared towards having a PG who initiates the offense and may not be great playing off the ball. So if you have Simmons out there handling the ball and not being much of a shooter you can run into some problems. But I don't see it as a huge problem in how you structure the whole roster as would be the case if you were to build around OKafor. For Simmons you basically want a combo guard at the point - a guy who is a secondary ball-handler who can slash, shoot and defend. Those guys are actually a lot easier to find than guys who can break defenses down and create shots for teammates.

[cksdayoff]

i'm not sure how ben simmons will score against length in the paint, i don't think he's as good a finisher as the college numbers indicate. I do think he can get to the line frequently due to his quickness

[nybluemeadow]

Absolute Ceiling: Grant Hill/T-Mac Hybrid

going to go ahead and say that this is absolutely impossible, he looks more comfortable as a secondary ballhandler alla Diaw than as a main focal point of offense, his offtheball play is a strength of his also.
He looks clearly like a PF, I can see him being a Diaw/Draymond Green type of guy, not really a star.

This has aged well...

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