Barnes vs Kuminga

[basketballRob]

Anyone else think Barnes may just have and Elfrid Payton type stat line?

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[basketballRob]

kuminga is a bust.

We hear that every year about the youngest players in the draft. Last season they had a couple Anthony Edwards is a bust threads in the first month.

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[Marcus]

Anyone else think Barnes may just have and Elfrid Payton type stat line?

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Drafting Scottie expecting him to be someone with great numbers is doing it wrong.

[TB]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

[Marcus]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

JK is getting undervalued and Scottie maybe a little overvalued but JK being more NBA ready is a bit stretchy IMO. the physically ready part is legit on both sides and Scottie's role is definitely more attainable than Kuminga's day one. Scottie has the highest floor in the class (along with the two other Monteverde boys and Mobes). You're already getting a multi positional defender and additional playmaker. Even if he's not your primary facilitator he can still distribute from different levels on the floor. You're getting the energy, the effort, and the intangibles day one with good IQ and team play. Kuminga might at some point surpass Scottie across the board sure, but more ready as of day one? nah. John John has some work to do basketball wise.

[toooskies]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

The G-League bubble was hardly a "year". Kuminga played 13 games. That's 1 month of the NBA season. You don't really see him "learning" as his best games were at the beginning. He effectively had an early training camp.

I don't love Kuminga or Barnes-- Kuminga's floor is total bust, Barnes looks like a poor man's Ben Simmons.

[Big J]

Barnes is already an elite defender and an excellent playmaker. He’s got tremendous size and is a good athlete. If he figures out his shot we’re talking about an all timer. Kuminga is just a raw athlete who is below average at everything he does. You’d be taking him on a hope and a prayer. He needs to improve in about 10 different areas before he’s even serviceable.

[TB]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

The G-League bubble was hardly a "year". Kuminga played 13 games. That's 1 month of the NBA season. You don't really see him "learning" as his best games were at the beginning. He effectively had an early training camp.

I don't love Kuminga or Barnes-- Kuminga's floor is total bust, Barnes looks like a poor man's Ben Simmons.

I just meant a year as a pro, not just the amount of games played.

[toooskies]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

The G-League bubble was hardly a "year". Kuminga played 13 games. That's 1 month of the NBA season. You don't really see him "learning" as his best games were at the beginning. He effectively had an early training camp.

I don't love Kuminga or Barnes-- Kuminga's floor is total bust, Barnes looks like a poor man's Ben Simmons.

I just meant a year as a pro, not just the amount of games played.

Well, if you're not playing in professional games, it's mostly just a year in limited-contact gyms due to COVID. It isn't like there were opportunities to have offseason workouts with NBA pros over the summer/fall of 2020. And it doesn't look like he took that time to refine his shot.

[NO-KG-AI]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

The G-League bubble was hardly a "year". Kuminga played 13 games. That's 1 month of the NBA season. You don't really see him "learning" as his best games were at the beginning. He effectively had an early training camp.

I don't love Kuminga or Barnes-- Kuminga's floor is total bust, Barnes looks like a poor man's Ben Simmons.

Scottie might not have Simmons’ athleticism, but Scottie is a dog, and Ben is timid as hell. He’s going to have a bigger offensive impact than Simmons just on his willingness to get dirty and take shots.

[GSWFan1994]

kuminga is a bust.

Thanks for the insight!

[DCasey91]

If you buy Kuminga’s upside then yep he should be 5 no doubt about it.

Both are swing picks to me. Barnes has a looooooooooong way to go on offense. Like unbelievably so.

People have to know his shot isn’t bad it’s broken that’s what you’re getting into. Zero touch and just bad mechanics. It’s literally a back at square one deal. So even to be a Draymond level shooter there’s work involved.

[DroseReturnChi]

kuminga is a bust.

We hear that every year about the youngest players in the draft. Last season they had a couple Anthony Edwards is a bust threads in the first month.

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i said edwards was a bust relative to his draft position similar to Fultz. this is different when i say kuminga is a bust at 7, he is like Bennett level like unplayable. That being said, edwards could still be a bust with Ball, Hali outplaying him. Edwards doing well doesnt make me a horrible talent scout as opposed to KOC saying Hayes is the number 1 guy bc im playing the odds no one is 100% right.

if you dont see why kuminga is a bust, your in deep trouble. maybe i bite if im orlando since they got a free pick but GS relying on the entire franchise's fate on one immature kid? oh boy im seeing a lot of people getting fired.

Draft is all about archetypes. Kuminga simply doesnt have a good comparison to justify lotto nor did he show any production/skillset to justify it. He literally does nothing better than Barnes or even his worst teammate PAW and these guys are hella raw too. Being raw and young is how you become a bust 101. this yrs overrated all hype guy for me is jalen green who has edward vibes.

[DroseReturnChi]

Anyone else think Barnes may just have and Elfrid Payton type stat line?

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this is just wrong. barnes is draymond clone mark my words.

[Duke4life831]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

JK is getting undervalued and Scottie maybe a little overvalued but JK being more NBA ready is a bit stretchy IMO. the physically ready part is legit on both sides and Scottie's role is definitely more attainable than Kuminga's day one. Scottie has the highest floor in the class (along with the two other Monteverde boys and Mobes). You're already getting a multi positional defender and additional playmaker. Even if he's not your primary facilitator he can still distribute from different levels on the floor. You're getting the energy, the effort, and the intangibles day one with good IQ and team play. Kuminga might at some point surpass Scottie across the board sure, but more ready as of day one? nah. John John has some work to do basketball wise.

Yup, Im as big of a fan as Kuminga as anyone will see on here, Kuminga isn't more NBA ready than Barnes. Ive said it multiple times, I dont think they're similar players but Im expecting similar progression growth as Jaylen Brown.

Year 1: Rough around the edges on both sides of the court
Year 2: More consistent minutes, defense comes around first
Year 3: A little more of the same but more flashes of the offense
Year 4: The offense shows up

I think like Brown, neither had a broken jumper. The form was there and solid, just a few tweaks to speed it up, get it more consistent and growth with it. So give that a couple years until we start seeing consistent results. I think his handle, or at least handle to get into scoring moves and getting separation is much better at this stage than Brown's was. So I think a few years of tightening the handle plus the progression of his jumper will open up his offense.

But again Im high on Kuminga because I love the two way foundation that is there for him to build off on. I dont see anything that limits him on either side (horrible shot form, lack of strength or athleticism, lack of size and so on). The foundation is all there to build a great player with. But that player isn't there yet. Its going to take a few years.

[Marcus]

Seems like i'm in the minority that think Kuminga is way more NBA ready than Barnes.

- He's more physically ready
- He's been learning the NBA game for a year now by being in the G-League
- The role Kuminga would play as a rookie is pretty straight forward and attainable. Where-as Barnes really needs to be a playmaker, and thats not a role NBA coaches are going to hand over to a rookie teenager.

I like both players a lot, just think many people will be surprised how ready Kuminga is to contribute right away since everything I read has him as this ultimate project.

JK is getting undervalued and Scottie maybe a little overvalued but JK being more NBA ready is a bit stretchy IMO. the physically ready part is legit on both sides and Scottie's role is definitely more attainable than Kuminga's day one. Scottie has the highest floor in the class (along with the two other Monteverde boys and Mobes). You're already getting a multi positional defender and additional playmaker. Even if he's not your primary facilitator he can still distribute from different levels on the floor. You're getting the energy, the effort, and the intangibles day one with good IQ and team play. Kuminga might at some point surpass Scottie across the board sure, but more ready as of day one? nah. John John has some work to do basketball wise.

Yup, Im as big of a fan as Kuminga as anyone will see on here, Kuminga isn't more NBA ready than Barnes. Ive said it multiple times, I dont think they're similar players but Im expecting similar progression growth as Jaylen Brown.

Year 1: Rough around the edges on both sides of the court
Year 2: More consistent minutes, defense comes around first
Year 3: A little more of the same but more flashes of the offense
Year 4: The offense shows up

I think like Brown, neither had a broken jumper. The form was there and solid, just a few tweaks to speed it up, get it more consistent and growth with it. So give that a couple years until we start seeing consistent results. I think his handle, or at least handle to get into scoring moves and getting separation is much better at this stage than Brown's was. So I think a few years of tightening the handle plus the progression of his jumper will open up his offense.

But again Im high on Kuminga because I love the two way foundation that is there for him to build off on. I dont see anything that limits him on either side (horrible shot form, lack of strength or athleticism, lack of size and so on). The foundation is all there to build a great player with. But that player isn't there yet. Its going to take a few years.

Kuminga is the biggest project in the projected lotto, with patience he can turn into one of the better players in the class, the foundation is definitely there for something special. he's just lumped in with a helluva class that he's competing against.

[Duke4life831]

JK is getting undervalued and Scottie maybe a little overvalued but JK being more NBA ready is a bit stretchy IMO. the physically ready part is legit on both sides and Scottie's role is definitely more attainable than Kuminga's day one. Scottie has the highest floor in the class (along with the two other Monteverde boys and Mobes). You're already getting a multi positional defender and additional playmaker. Even if he's not your primary facilitator he can still distribute from different levels on the floor. You're getting the energy, the effort, and the intangibles day one with good IQ and team play. Kuminga might at some point surpass Scottie across the board sure, but more ready as of day one? nah. John John has some work to do basketball wise.

Yup, Im as big of a fan as Kuminga as anyone will see on here, Kuminga isn't more NBA ready than Barnes. Ive said it multiple times, I dont think they're similar players but Im expecting similar progression growth as Jaylen Brown.

Year 1: Rough around the edges on both sides of the court
Year 2: More consistent minutes, defense comes around first
Year 3: A little more of the same but more flashes of the offense
Year 4: The offense shows up

I think like Brown, neither had a broken jumper. The form was there and solid, just a few tweaks to speed it up, get it more consistent and growth with it. So give that a couple years until we start seeing consistent results. I think his handle, or at least handle to get into scoring moves and getting separation is much better at this stage than Brown's was. So I think a few years of tightening the handle plus the progression of his jumper will open up his offense.

But again Im high on Kuminga because I love the two way foundation that is there for him to build off on. I dont see anything that limits him on either side (horrible shot form, lack of strength or athleticism, lack of size and so on). The foundation is all there to build a great player with. But that player isn't there yet. Its going to take a few years.

Kuminga is the biggest project in the projected lotto, with patience he can turn into one of the better players in the class, the foundation is definitely there for something special. he's just lumped in with a helluva class that he's competing against.

Yup. This is just a 2018 kind of top 5, its just stacked.

I also think with it being so stacked at the top is one of the main reasons people have become so negative on Kuminga. Usually its not rare to see a raw high potential guy go say 3rd in the draft. But this draft is stacked with guys that should hit the ground running, they see Kuminga and just think bust. Now I do think it has gone overboard with him to some degree, like the horrible work ethic claims that just came out of nowhere and is a complete contradiction to everything we knew about him prior to 2-3 months ago, him being in his mid 20s, I also chuckle seeing some call him 6'6 as well.

But ya he is a raw project that I think doesnt have too many speed bumps to become pretty damn good.