Where are we on Greg Brown?

[clyde21]

this man might be my hardest eval ive ever done, legit no idea where to place or what to think of this dude. i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a top 3 player in this draft, I also wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be a complete dud.

whats the breakeven point in the draft where yall would draft him?

[Big J]

Who?

[clyde21]

Who?

Greg Brown

[Charm]

He has some interesting skills, but I imagine the success rate for prospects with a 1:6 assist:TO ratio is approximately 0%.

[babyjax13]

0.6 assists per game for the season, 0.1 at home. Pretty inefficient as a scorer. He's exciting to watch and I can see a team drafting him with the idea of long-term development (e.g. Jerami Grant). Grant and John Collins were similarly inept as passers, but I'm just afraid he really doesn't know how to play basketball.

[Catchall]

He's an explosive athlete with great measurables. I see him coming off the bench to provide energy and defense, similar to the role Jared Vanderbilt plays for Minnesota. If he can make corner 3s and not completely blow defensive rotations, he can play. Remember, he's really young. He should go mid-2nd round, imo.

[The-Power]

Way down. Horrible attitude on the court, zero ability to lift his teammates.

[EMG518]

I would be extremely surprised if he ended up a top 3 player in this draft. It never even crossed my mind that it may be a possibility.

I have him as a late 1st rounder. Hope he improves his bbiq, works on his jumper and he will play in the league. At the very least he should develop into a rotation player.

[BlazersBroncos]

I see some Mo Harkless in him.

[EvanZ]

Early 2nd flier

[Hal14]

He has some interesting skills, but I imagine the success rate for prospects with a 1:6 assist:TO ratio is approximately 0%.

a) I think you need to take context into account here. Brown produced those numbers as a freshman power forward who mostly came off the bench and only averaged like 20 mins a game. That's a very different scenario than someone putting up those numbers as a senior PG (assist to turnover ratio is a very important stat for PGs, much less important for a PF) playing 32 mins a game.

b) Clearly Brown has an abnormal freshman season. He had a very rough go of it in the beginning, he shot what, like 0 for his first 17 from 3? But then recovered nicely and the rest of the season after that shot a very respectable percentage from 3.

c) I think you do a kid a disservice by taking all of the many factors and saying "nope, the only thing that matters is assist to turnover ratio. He was bad at that one thing so let's completely ignore all other factors and only look at this one thing" ...I think other factors need to be taken into account. Like perhaps looking at not just his weaknesses but why not look at the big picture and also factor in his strengths? Insane quickness and athleticism for a 6'9" kid. Very good shot blocker. Solid outside shooter. Good, versatile defender who can lock people down on the perimeter and also defend the paint. Needs to work on decision making with the ball/shot selection and defensive consistency but what freshman doesn't need to improve in those areas? There is a physical profile and a baseline skill set there which could make him a top 20 pick.

Best case scenario is he goes to a team that is a playoff team with some veterans and good coaching who can show him the way, put him under their wing and develop him without the need to throw him into the fire right away on a team like the Thunder or Rockets. He spends next season refining his skills in the g-league and with the right development could turn into an all-star, or at least a borderline all-star player in his prime.

[Hal14]

Way down. Horrible attitude on the court, zero ability to lift his teammates.

He's also only 19 years old. Not all 19 year olds are this perfect teammate like Scottie Barnes and Jalen Suggs - those 2 guys are the exception, not the rule. And they're both going in the top 6 picks. Is Brown really that bad of a pick if he falls outside the top 25?

Do you really think there's no way in hell Brown can mature as a person and grow up, like the majority of humans do between age 19-23?

[Charm]

He has some interesting skills, but I imagine the success rate for prospects with a 1:6 assist:TO ratio is approximately 0%.

a) I think you need to take context into account here. Brown produced those numbers as a freshman power forward who mostly came off the bench and only averaged like 20 mins a game. That's a very different scenario than someone putting up those numbers as a senior PG (assist to turnover ratio is a very important stat for PGs, much less important for a PF) playing 32 mins a game.

b) Clearly Brown has an abnormal freshman season. He had a very rough go of it in the beginning, he shot what, like 0 for his first 17 from 3? But then recovered nicely and the rest of the season after that shot a very respectable percentage from 3.

c) I think you do a kid a disservice by taking all of the many factors and saying "nope, the only thing that matters is assist to turnover ratio. He was bad at that one thing so let's completely ignore all other factors and only look at this one thing" ...I think other factors need to be taken into account. Like perhaps looking at not just his weaknesses but why not look at the big picture and also factor in his strengths? Insane quickness and athleticism for a 6'9" kid. Very good shot blocker. Solid outside shooter. Good, versatile defender who can lock people down on the perimeter and also defend the paint. Needs to work on decision making with the ball/shot selection and defensive consistency but what freshman doesn't need to improve in those areas? There is a physical profile and a baseline skill set there which could make him a top 20 pick.

Best case scenario is he goes to a team that is a playoff team with some veterans and good coaching who can show him the way, put him under their wing and develop him without the need to throw him into the fire right away on a team like the Thunder or Rockets. He spends next season refining his skills in the g-league and with the right development could turn into an all-star, or at least a borderline all-star player in his prime.

Agree to disagree, I guess. Passing ability is really important at every position. If you can't make the right play, then you're not going to touch the ball very often in an NBA offense...and if you're not getting touches, you're not going to develop. Low-ceiling guy offensively, and not special enough defensively to be on my radar.

[The-Power]

Way down. Horrible attitude on the court, zero ability to lift his teammates.

He's also only 19 years old. Not all 19 year olds are this perfect teammate like Scottie Barnes and Jalen Suggs - those 2 guys are the exception, not the rule. And they're both going in the top 6 picks. Is Brown really that bad of a pick if he falls outside the top 25?

Do you really think there's no way in hell Brown can mature as a person and grow up, like the majority of humans do between age 19-23?

Not many players develop into hustle players after regularly taking plays off and not playing hard, just as players who don't play winning basketball don't usually turn into winning players down the road. Can he theoretically turn it around? Sure. Would I bet on it? Hell no. It's how the draft works. You play the odds. Your argument can be used for literally any prospect, so how would you ever come to a decision?

[Hal14]

Way down. Horrible attitude on the court, zero ability to lift his teammates.

He's also only 19 years old. Not all 19 year olds are this perfect teammate like Scottie Barnes and Jalen Suggs - those 2 guys are the exception, not the rule. And they're both going in the top 6 picks. Is Brown really that bad of a pick if he falls outside the top 25?

Do you really think there's no way in hell Brown can mature as a person and grow up, like the majority of humans do between age 19-23?

Not many players develop into hustle players after regularly taking plays off and not playing hard, just as players who don't play winning basketball don't usually turn into winning players down the road. Can he theoretically turn it around? Sure. Would I bet on it? Hell no. It's how the draft works. You play the odds. Your argument can be used for literally any prospect, so how would you ever come to a decision?

LeBron has been criticize many times for taking plays off, yet many still consider him the GOAT.

Again, I just think we need to look at the big picture when evaluating a prospect, rather than just picking 1 single attribute and saying "oh, just because of that 1 attribute he won't make it" while ignoring all other attributes.

Kai Jones was highly inconsistent last season, falling asleep or getting lost on defense often times - and he was a sophomore. Brown is only a freshman so he has more time to improve. yet Kai is a consensus top 20 pick.

Kai also had a crazy low assist rate, like Brown did. Maybe it was the offensive system at Texas that could have been a factor for these guys.

Brown is more coordinated, more fluid with his movements on the court and with the ball in his hands than kai. Brown is more smooth/fluid with his shot, Brown is just as quick, even more athletic, just as good at blocking shots. I'm not saying I've got Brown rated higher than Kai - I don't. I do have Kai rated higher but just saying it's crazy to have Kai in the top 20 and Brown outside of the top 40.

[The-Power]

LeBron has been criticize many times for taking plays off, yet many still consider him the GOAT.

Again, I just think we need to look at the big picture when evaluating a prospect, rather than just picking 1 single attribute and saying "oh, just because of that 1 attribute he won't make it" while ignoring all other attributes.

Please, you can't possibly be serious with the random LeBron mention. Also, not playing hard and not playing smart basketball that helps your team win aren't just ‘one attribute’. They're absolutely fundamental, and above any single attribute people usually care about.

[Coeur]

Belongs 10-16. Prob goes mid 20’s

[Wizop]

Pacers are said to want someone at 13 who can play immediately and trading down is an option if they don't see one. Brown would be on my list if we trade down into the 20s.

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[JRoy]

I see some Mo Harkless in him.

I said the same thing

[Upperclass]

Top 10 talent. I think he felt like he should've been able to to right into the league and kinda mailed it in last year.. I think he's going to be very good