UNC never produces stars

NotMyKawhi · Post #1 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 6:48 pm

ever since Vince carter it's been downhill

Why can't Jordan's College ever produce stars

EMG518 · Post #2 » by **EMG518** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 6:51 pm

Am I crazy or did Zion and Tatum just come out of Duke the past few years. North Carolina might be in a slump like was stated.

BostonCouchGM · Post #3 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 12:11 am

They don't recruit as well as they used to. Plain and simple. One and done guys are choosing better programs, G-League or the NBL. It's hard to produce NBA stars when you no longer get NBA talent.

Post #4 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 1:50 am

Crazy to think they haven’t had an all star drafted this century. Their last draft class to produce an all star was in 1998 with Vince and Jamison.

Bruin · Post #5 » by **Bruin** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:01 am

Is Harrison Barnes the best player out of UNC in the past decade? I can’t seem to think of anyone else

CptCrunch · Post #6 » by **CptCrunch** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:36 am

PrinceAli wrote:Is Harrison Barnes the best player out of UNC in the past decade? I can’t seem to think of anyone else

Barnes is the best player probably.

Most valuable as a contract is Coby White followed by Cole Anthony.

Big J · Post #7 » by **Big J** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:32 am

Powder blue is an ugly color. Guys care about that kind of stuff nowadays.

Saints14 · Post #8 » by **Saints14** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:21 pm

UNC doesn't really recruit the one-and-done NBA prospects like Duke and Kentucky does. Their best players (at the NCAA level) this decade have been guys like Justin Jackson, Cam Johnson, Brice Johnson, Marcus Paige, Joel Berry, Kennedy Meeks, Luke Maye...no one that was really touted as a lottery pick out of HS but stayed in college 3-4 years, improved each year and won them games as upperclassmen. They won 3 titles since 2005 and are consistently a Final Four caliber team so I'd say it's working pretty well for them

tidho · Post #9 » by **tidho** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:23 pm

Saints14 wrote:UNC doesn't really recruit the one-and-done NBA prospects like Duke and Kentucky does...

This. They still run their program old school, and remain successful running with teams of Juniors against the one and done crowd.

Post #10 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 4:47 pm

tidho wrote:
Saints14 wrote:UNC doesn't really recruit the one-and-done NBA prospects like Duke and Kentucky does...

This. They still run their program old school, and remain successful running with teams of Juniors against the one and done crowd.

What?

Harrison Barnes (#1 recruit, viewed as a can’t miss prospect)
James Michael McAdoo (#7 recruit)
PJ Hairston (#13 recruit)
Justin Jackson (#9 recruit)
Theo Pinson (#15 recruit)
Nassir Little (#3 recruit, some were saying he should be the #1 ranked guy)
Cole Anthony (#4 recruit)

That isn’t even mentioning all of the other elite prospects they heavily recruited but missed out on. It’s not like UNC isn’t going all out for the OAD guys. UNC has gotten a bad rap with many upcoming recruits because they haven’t produced any stars since these kids were born.

Chuck Everett · Post #11 » by **Chuck Everett** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:17 pm

Their best player to come out this century has been Danny Green.

NeoWarriors · Post #12 » by **NeoWarriors** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:22 pm

I guess Marvin Williams ruined it for everyone.

It's kind of weird that Duke is now considered a school that recruits for one and done players. Corey Maggette was the first player ever to leave after his freshman year at Duke. Duke is a private school and they used to recruit players that wanted an education above all else. Now the only way they can stay relevant is by recruiting the one and done players.

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NotMyKawhi · Post #13 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:20 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
tidho wrote:
Saints14 wrote:UNC doesn't really recruit the one-and-done NBA prospects like Duke and Kentucky does...

This. They still run their program old school, and remain successful running with teams of Juniors against the one and done crowd.

What?

Harrison Barnes (#1 recruit, viewed as a can’t miss prospect)
James Michael McAdoo (#7 recruit)
PJ Hairston (#13 recruit)
Justin Jackson (#9 recruit)
Theo Pinson (#15 recruit)
Nassir Little (#3 recruit, some were saying he should be the #1 ranked guy)
Cole Anthony (#4 recruit)

That isn’t even mentioning all of the other elite prospects they heavily recruited but missed out on. It’s not like UNC isn’t going all out for the OAD guys. UNC has gotten a bad rap with many upcoming recruits because they haven’t produced any stars since these kids were born.

They just don't take the good ones lol this happens all the time. They always get guys in the top 25 every year. Harrison Barnes was one fo the best prospect ever.

But I see you're a duke fan, they usually don't do much better by the #'s compared to lots of other teams. Ya Zion, tatum, ingram is decent and Kyrie played a couple games but they had lots busts or guys who never became stars.

Dunleavy
Jay williams
Battier
Sheldon Williams
Okafor
Parker
Rivers
Giles
Bagley
Duval
Deng
McRoberts

Post #14 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:48 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
tidho wrote:
This. They still run their program old school, and remain successful running with teams of Juniors against the one and done crowd.

What?

Harrison Barnes (#1 recruit, viewed as a can’t miss prospect)
James Michael McAdoo (#7 recruit)
PJ Hairston (#13 recruit)
Justin Jackson (#9 recruit)
Theo Pinson (#15 recruit)
Nassir Little (#3 recruit, some were saying he should be the #1 ranked guy)
Cole Anthony (#4 recruit)

That isn’t even mentioning all of the other elite prospects they heavily recruited but missed out on. It’s not like UNC isn’t going all out for the OAD guys. UNC has gotten a bad rap with many upcoming recruits because they haven’t produced any stars since these kids were born.

They just don't take the good ones lol this happens all the time. They always get guys in the top 25 every year. Harrison Barnes was one fo the best prospect ever.

But I see you're a duke fan, they usually don't do much better by the #'s compared to lots of other teams. Ya Zion, tatum, ingram is decent and Kyrie played a couple games but they had lots busts or guys who never became stars.

Dunleavy
Jay williams
Battier
Sheldon Williams
Okafor
Parker
Rivers
Giles
Bagley
Duval
Deng
McRoberts

Sure but since UNC had their last all star drafted, Duke has had 7-8 different all stars drafted. I’m sure only UK has had more drafted in that time span. Again UNC hasn’t had an all star drafted in this century. Vince and Jamison were the last ones drafted and that was the 98 draft.

That is on an completely different level. And I’m not one that will defend K and Duke no matter what. Most other Duke fans aren’t fans of me because of how critical I am of Duke and K.

nolang1 · Post #15 » by **nolang1** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:46 am

At some point around 2010 or so you could say Duke's best NBA players ever were Elton Brand, Christian Laettner, and Shane Battier. They were trending downwards and then Coach K got handed the team USA job and was able to use that influence and his relationship with the likes of Kobe and LeBron (in the absence of any superstars he himself had coached) to recruit one-and-dones when he had previously been sanctimonious about them. Roy Williams had been too, but it's not like you can deny that UNC conscientiously tried to recruit players who were more likely to stay for more than a year (someone like Little really jumped up the rankings his senior year, and then Cole Anthony was basically a family connection thing with Hubert Davis).

The main story is that between more star players coming from other countries, opting out of college, and going to schools like Kentucky that embraced one-and-dones from the start or Duke that eventually did and had the Nike/team USA cachet behind them, there just isn't that much room for other places to have a constant pipeline of NBA stars. Even the OP is mentioning Vince Carter and Michael Jordan, who were literally 15 years apart, as part of this great UNC superstar pipeline; sure there were guys like Daugherty, Stackhouse, and Wallace in the interim, but those players obviously weren't superstars.

bkseven · Post #16 » by **bkseven** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:43 pm

Rasheed Wallace??

Stillwater · Post #17 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:00 pm

Are there any schools that have consistently produced "STARS" ?
I mean there are a few of one and done turn styles colleges now but few turn out actual stars besides KY and that's probably just because its the posterchild for one and done schools that don't win anything in college anymore.
Roy is gone in UNC the recruiting mantras may change, but my guess is they won't be very good for awhile now.
Roy was never in the business of boosting a kids draft stock, he on;y put kids out there that did there job to try to win.
Coby White is the only one in recent memory that was so effective he got draft boosted by Roy

Post #18 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:29 pm

bkseven wrote:Rasheed Wallace??

He was drafted in 1995

SaNdMiRkS · Post #19 » by **SaNdMiRkS** » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:24 pm

I personally still think that Coby will be a star in the NBA. It may take some time, and he undoubtedly got his development damaged by the Paxson plague, but I think he has it in him, and especially now that he can develop alongside DDR & Caruso. Luckily he only experienced one lone year of the Boylin nightmare, and it was a shortened year at that, so I think he'll get back on track under Billy D sooner rather than later

As for the topic, it's Roy W's system. They actually try to win games & put lineups out there that fit. He'd probably play all seniors if he could

I will say though, that I really *really* thought that Little was going to be a premier NBA prospect. We all remember when he was getting mocked in the top 3 alongside Williamson & Barrett. Some even had him going 2nd overall & having the highest ceiling of the 3. Definitely one of the biggest hype drop-offs/draft plummets in recent memory, right up there with Giles

I haven't watched much of him in Portland, but it appears that he's (very, very) slowly improving. Anyone that has watched him consistently over the past 2 years, feel free to weigh in on what went wrong with him