Draft Grades and Impressions

[QingJames]

of course it's conservative -- Steph doesn't have to be MVP Steph to be a great player...he's 33 and is coming off a top 3 or 4 season of his career, and shooters in general are the one group in the entire NBA that age the best. this also includes Klay, who's still 31 by the way. Dray's only 31 and he's also a skill based player.

and, really, people need stop using the 'Klay will never be the same' argument...that possibility is exactly why we SHOULD'NT make any stupid ass trades right now and completely gut our depth...because if Klay isn't anywhere near his old self, this entire discussion is moot.

and again, there is nothing more valuable in this NBA that rookie scale players that can play...especially ones at THE most valuable position in the NBA (wing) like Kuminga/Moody...will they be that? who knows...if not...guess what? we're still contenders. and if they are...we'll we've just indefinitely extended our window to the next 5 years and beyond.

Curious what you think now that your own GM has come out and essentially said he doesn’t think the team has a window to contend next year, let alone 5+ years.

when he's talking about where we don't know what our window is without knowing where Klay is? well no ****. all these convos are moot if Klay isn't the same.

Klay not being the same is even more of a prerogative don't to do any stupid ass short sighted trades.

Nope, he didn’t mention Klay when he said “Things are happening really fast now,” he said. “You used to have 3-4 year windows. We had that. That’s not the case any more….We have to think about the future.”

So even your own GM thinks the idea of a 5+ year window is ridiculous, and not only that but he seems to think your window is closed!

[clyde21]

Curious what you think now that your own GM has come out and essentially said he doesn’t think the team has a window to contend next year, let alone 5+ years.

when he's talking about where we don't know what our window is without knowing where Klay is? well no ****. all these convos are moot if Klay isn't the same.

Klay not being the same is even more of a prerogative don't to do any stupid ass short sighted trades.

Nope, he didn’t mention Klay when he said “Things are happening really fast now,” he said. “You used to have 3-4 year windows. We had that. That’s not the case any more….We have to think about the future.”

So even your own GM thinks the idea of a 5+ year window is ridiculous, and not only that but he seems to think your window is closed!

did you actually listen to the entire interview or you just took the hit piece on the general board and ran with it?

im gonna assume the latter.

[QingJames]

when he's talking about where we don't know what our window is without knowing where Klay is? well no ****. all these convos are moot if Klay isn't the same.

Klay not being the same is even more of a prerogative don't to do any stupid ass short sighted trades.

Nope, he didn’t mention Klay when he said “Things are happening really fast now,” he said. “You used to have 3-4 year windows. We had that. That’s not the case any more….We have to think about the future.”

So even your own GM thinks the idea of a 5+ year window is ridiculous, and not only that but he seems to think your window is closed!

did you actually listen to the entire interview or you just took the hit piece on the general board and ran with it?

im gonna assume the latter.

Does that change the fact that he clearly is indicating he doesn’t believe the team has a window of 5+ years, as you’ve erroneously claimed?

[The-Power]

Does that change the fact that he clearly is indicating he doesn’t believe the team has a window of 5+ years, as you’ve erroneously claimed?

So how long is our window in Myers' opinion? Because it's clearly more than one year.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/video/bob-myers-insists-warriors-have-more-one-year-window

[clyde21]

Nope, he didn’t mention Klay when he said “Things are happening really fast now,” he said. “You used to have 3-4 year windows. We had that. That’s not the case any more….We have to think about the future.”

So even your own GM thinks the idea of a 5+ year window is ridiculous, and not only that but he seems to think your window is closed!

did you actually listen to the entire interview or you just took the hit piece on the general board and ran with it?

im gonna assume the latter.

Does that change the fact that he clearly is indicating he doesn’t believe the team has a window of 5+ years, as you’ve erroneously claimed?

so you didn't actually listen to the interview.

you should probably do that before flexin nuts and pretending you know what ur talking about.

[yoyoboy]

We’ll see what happens, but I think in general fans tend to really overestimate the length of title windows. Unless you’re the Spurs, you’re usually not contending 10 years with the same core. Maybe 38 year old Steph, 36 year old Klay, and 36 year old Draymond are indeed running the league while Kuminga and Moody have developed into great contributors. But I think if you’re actually hoping to contend until 2027 or so, the more likely scenario would be Moody and Kuminga both become All-Star caliber players or one becomes a total superstar while Steph is still a fringe top 10 guy come playoffs, and Draymond/Klay have taken backseats as good role players. And even that is by no means guaranteed considering players drafted in that 7th pick area have about a 25% chance of becoming an All-Star while the 14th pick lowers to around 10%. The figure is actually much lower for 7th (10% in reality) if you take the data at face value, but obviously with a larger sample size it would fit more of a curve.

I understand the allure of trying to draft some high potential youth so that the contention window can be prolonged, but I also think if we're being realistic, trading those picks for an All Star player right now produces more titles than the alternative in most outcomes. Drafting one of the rawest and youngest guys in the lottery in Kuminga and keeping both picks when you have Steph Curry producing like this right now and set to turn 34 by next year’s playoffs is bold, and I could see Steph being confused by the decision in private even if he’s approving in public. I remember when the Cavs got criticized in 2018 for not trying to trade the Nets pick for a player like Kemba. And that's when there was a high probability LeBron was going to leave for LA either way at the end of the season and with a juggernaut in the Warriors in front of the team that would still be overwhelming favorites against a Cavs team with Kemba. Curry isn't leaving and the championship landscape is more wide open than it's been in some time. Keeping the picks feels to me like the Warriors wanting to have their cake and eat it too, rather than maximizing Steph's remaining prime years.

[NO-KG-AI]

So burn a year and hope for rookies to progress, and maybe next year is better. I’m sure Curry loves that plan.

Or trade for “veterans” that you’re not sure even move the needle or make a noticeable difference.

If you know something we don’t about an MVP candidate being on the block, and the Warriors are dragging their feet, do tell. Because right now, the big get seems to be Christian Wood or Jerami Grant.

I’m sure Curry would have loved trading Klay for Kevin Love too. You know what else Curry would have loved at the time? Going to the Knicks instead of the Warriors. Great call.

This post is fantastic in its ability to dodge.

No one is suggesting trade for vets that don’t move the needle.

The Love and Knicks episodes are ancient history, Curry has a massively different standing now.

And Wood would be much better for GS over the next two years than Wiseman. Myers should jump at that.

Maybe. Everyone would have taken Wood over Ayton last year, and now Ayton is suddenly untouchable. Great players don’t take 5 years to become very good. Trade Wiseman if you don’t think he’s going to be good, but if he’s an actual talent, it’s not going to take 5 years.

It’s crazy that people think young guys take 4-5 years to contribute. The ones like that are career journeyman and nobodies mostly.

Young teams are usually bad for a few years because they have 1 premium talent and some other subpar ones, and they have guys in much larger roles than they deserve. If the Warriors drafted all busts they’re gonna be in trouble, but trading them off for Journeyman is gonna be trouble too.

If they pass on a premier star that fills gaps/needs, you can bitch about it, but I really don’t think Beal is the guy that pushes them over the top or is worth sending your entire future (they’re gonna want all the young guys and a bunch of future picks, given recent star trades)

[clyde21]

Curry isn't leaving and the championship landscape is more wide open than it's been in some time. Keeping the picks feels to me like the Warriors wanting to have their cake and eat it too, rather than maximizing Steph's remaining prime years.

1) if someone needs to be traded, it's Wiseman because he's not a great fit here schematic wise, but Kuminga/Moody are incredible fits theoretically speaking and the possibility of having two functional wings on this team on a rookie contract the next 5 years is not something you can easily walk away from.

2) it has nothing to do with wanting it both ways, I can make a strong argument not gutting half our roster for a "win-now" move is what's actually going to maximize our window.

3) yall keep talking about trades but never actually offer any that make any sense. new rule: don't talk about the Warriors trading half their roster away unless you propose a trade that would be worth it.

[DroseReturnChi]

looking at it again the day after



Losers:


- Nets: draft all over the place, way too many players and could've easily packaged some picks to move up a couple of times to get guys that fit more easily around their stars. Cam Thomas is fine @ 27 but over Jaden Springer is a no go for me.

- Raptors: it's tough to call Raps losers because of their track record they have earned the benefit of the doubt but in the second round they had TWO opportunities to take Sharife Cooper and instead took Banton and Johnson and Cooper ended up going immediately after. i think there's a strong chance this could look terrible a few years down the line. Barnes over Suggs too is questionable but I understand it on some level so it's not a huge deal.

this isnt going to happen. theres a reason why top gms rarely busts. focused on too much short term and pick itself when you need to relate it with direction of franchise.

[DroseReturnChi]

Curry isn't leaving and the championship landscape is more wide open than it's been in some time. Keeping the picks feels to me like the Warriors wanting to have their cake and eat it too, rather than maximizing Steph's remaining prime years.

1) if someone needs to be traded, it's Wiseman because he's not a great fit here schematic wise, but Kuminga/Moody are incredible fits theoretically speaking and the possibility of having two functional wings on this team on a rookie contract the next 5 years is not something you can easily walk away from.

2) it has nothing to do with wanting it both ways, I can make a strong argument not gutting half our roster for a "win-now" move is what's actually going to maximize our window.

3) yall keep talking about trades but never actually offer any that make any sense. new rule: don't talk about the Warriors trading half their roster away unless you propose a trade that would be worth it.

half of your roster is rookies. and 100% klay you claim is 50% of prime. this is a rebuilding team unless they get rid of 3 rookies.
the notion that rookies help more than lakers ring chasers is ludicrous.

[clyde21]

Curry isn't leaving and the championship landscape is more wide open than it's been in some time. Keeping the picks feels to me like the Warriors wanting to have their cake and eat it too, rather than maximizing Steph's remaining prime years.

1) if someone needs to be traded, it's Wiseman because he's not a great fit here schematic wise, but Kuminga/Moody are incredible fits theoretically speaking and the possibility of having two functional wings on this team on a rookie contract the next 5 years is not something you can easily walk away from.

2) it has nothing to do with wanting it both ways, I can make a strong argument not gutting half our roster for a "win-now" move is what's actually going to maximize our window.

3) yall keep talking about trades but never actually offer any that make any sense. new rule: don't talk about the Warriors trading half their roster away unless you propose a trade that would be worth it.

half of your roster is rookies. and 100% klay you claim is 50% of prime. this is a rebuilding team unless they get rid of 3 rookies.
the notion that rookies help more than lakers ring chasers is ludicrous.

lol wut?

Steph
Klay
Dray
Wiggins
Looney
Wiseman
Poole
Paschall
Toscano-Anderson

are rookies?

simple counting exercise failure.

guess where Vegas has the warriors today as they stand?

[DCasey91]

GSW have 2 years. Pacers/Jazz making the finals on the backend of years and years of playoff runs (97/98, 00).

Doesn’t mean that GSW is great as the dynasty GSW. They don’t have Durant, all three got older and if Klay isn’t Klay then it’s no bueno. If he is cool go from there but not beforehand that’s just not good management.

Actuality there’s validity in moving on from Green and Klay but that’s my pov.

[The-Power]

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Duke, I remembered your views on Kuminga but haven't really noticed your post-draft reactions. You must be over the moon with us actually having been able to draft him!?

[Duke4life831]

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Duke, I remembered your views on Kuminga but haven't really noticed your post-draft reactions. You must be over the moon with us actually having been able to draft him!?

I think either way he gets used (keep him or trade him), pretty much the ideal scenario for GS. I don’t think they could’ve asked for a higher ceiling guy at 7 and that potential will carry some solid trade value.

And if we keep him, he really gets to follow that Jaylen Brown progression line that I think he can achieve. I think he will get a solid 15-18 minutes this year. His role will be very limited, which is great for him at the time. He has the defensive potential, he needs to focus in on that area and get more consistent. That can be his entire focus whenever he sees the court. Then on the offensive end he will get garbage buckets and wide open corner 3s. Then I think next year, same responsibilities but instead of 15-18 minutes we’re probably looking and 25 minutes a game. Then hopefully by year 3 that shot becomes consistent (his form is fine, just inconsistent results at the moment).

I think he’s a better prospect than Jaylen was. He’s a little bigger, his handle isn’t great but it’s further along than Jaylen’s was at this time. But I have him pegged on a similar progression timeline as Jaylen.

I think it was the ideal draft for both team and player perspective.

[Marcus]

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Duke, I remembered your views on Kuminga but haven't really noticed your post-draft reactions. You must be over the moon with us actually having been able to draft him!?

I think either way he gets used (keep him or trade him), pretty much the ideal scenario for GS. I don’t think they could’ve asked for a higher ceiling guy at 7 and that potential will carry some solid trade value.

And if we keep him, he really gets to follow that Jaylen Brown progression line that I think he can achieve. I think he will get a solid 15-18 minutes this year. His role will be very limited, which is great for him at the time. He has the defensive potential, he needs to focus in on that area and get more consistent. That can be his entire focus whenever he sees the court. Then on the offensive end he will get garbage buckets and wide open corner 3s. Then I think next year, same responsibilities but instead of 15-18 minutes we’re probably looking and 25 minutes a game. Then hopefully by year 3 that shot becomes consistent (his form is fine, just inconsistent results at the moment).

I think he’s a better prospect than Jaylen was. He’s a little bigger, his handle isn’t great but it’s further along than Jaylen’s was at this time. But I have him pegged on a similar progression timeline as Jaylen.

I think it was the ideal draft for both team and player perspective.

yeah still pretty lost on the notion that the Dubs messed this up. Don't know if there could have been a better outcome than the two kids they picked up.

[EMG518]

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Duke, I remembered your views on Kuminga but haven't really noticed your post-draft reactions. You must be over the moon with us actually having been able to draft him!?

I think either way he gets used (keep him or trade him), pretty much the ideal scenario for GS. I don’t think they could’ve asked for a higher ceiling guy at 7 and that potential will carry some solid trade value.

And if we keep him, he really gets to follow that Jaylen Brown progression line that I think he can achieve. I think he will get a solid 15-18 minutes this year. His role will be very limited, which is great for him at the time. He has the defensive potential, he needs to focus in on that area and get more consistent. That can be his entire focus whenever he sees the court. Then on the offensive end he will get garbage buckets and wide open corner 3s. Then I think next year, same responsibilities but instead of 15-18 minutes we’re probably looking and 25 minutes a game. Then hopefully by year 3 that shot becomes consistent (his form is fine, just inconsistent results at the moment).

I think he’s a better prospect than Jaylen was. He’s a little bigger, his handle isn’t great but it’s further along than Jaylen’s was at this time. But I have him pegged on a similar progression timeline as Jaylen.

I think it was the ideal draft for both team and player perspective.

He isn't as good of a prospect, Jalyen was way shiftier and had a way better handle which allowed him to utilize his high end athleticism. It's not close. Jaylen also tested really well in interviews and maturity.

[nolang1]

I want to pump the brakes on the Rockets' draft a little bit in that they were starting in a pretty good position with where they were picking and they traded future picks to get Sengun (which is still a good move, but obviously different than if they'd been sitting there at 16 and he just happened to fall to them). Maybe Green ends up being that good, but it seems like if they drafted Mobley #2 they would've had some very good trade-down opportunities if they didn't really want him, or they could've gone the other way and traded Wood to a more veteran team and gotten an even bigger haul of prospects.

I'd have Toronto as a stealth winner in that I have enough trust in them as an organization that if they drafted Barnes over Suggs, they have confidence he'll become a decent shooter, and Barnes with a jumper could be the best player in the class.

I really like what the Clippers did in that buying draft picks is obviously a market inefficiency and of the 3 players they ended up with, there's a decent chance that at least one becomes a major steal. Keon Johnson has a lot more talent than Mann at the same stage and seems to be a good worker.

Philadelphia got good players at their slots too, but I have to knock them a bit for not trading their existing players because otherwise there's just going to be a logjam where one of Springer (who I think is the better prospect) or Maxey is going to get some DNPs tank their value, let alone their hardline stance on Simmons.

[BostonCouchGM]

Knicks clearly had an incredible draft. Sims had to sit behind guys because his coach is a moron and it looks like he might end up the best pro of the bunch. Wouldn't surprise me to see him start and never relinquish the role with Mitchell Robinson being made available in trades. Grimes is the perfect 3 and D. Knicks ARE running it back but they do have some nice young talent. I can see them duplicating last year's performance.

[DWhiteMamba]

Primo looked fantastic in the summer. He flashed all the things Spurs fans could have hoped for, especially for a guy only 18 years old. Spurs fans who were complaining don't have much to say anymore.

[K_chile22]

Maybe Green ends up being that good, but it seems like if they drafted Mobley #2 they would've had some very good trade-down opportunities if they didn't really want him

Trade down with who? Cleveland wasn't going to trade up one spot, they were content to take whoever fell to them. Can't trade down with Toronto, because then Cleveland probably would have taken Green 3rd. If they wanted Green nothing to do but pick him