Mike Miles Jr.

[jman3134]

He had a very impressive showing against Arizona. Is it enough for him to declare for the NBA draft and get selected? While his whole team was great, Miles really is the catalyst for TCU and orchestrated a classic NCAA tournament fistfight. It isn't just about one game though. He has been emerging late in the year and they defeated Kansas.

Miles gets to the rim with ease and has the requisite athleticism to play at the pro level. Is he a 29% college 3pt shooter or a 36% shooter? From what I've seen this year, I think his three point stroke needs a bit of work, but I need to dig back in the tape to determine how much of that is tough Big 12 D. What percentage of his threes were contested this season vs. last? He seemed to miss some easy ones early in the year from what I remember.

[SeattleJazzFan]

i wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole, but if you're bullish on him, who am i to say you're wrong. i just think horrendous shooting and short stature don't bode well for a prospect's nba future. you'd be hard pressed to find a kid in that 6'1" range or shorter with horrendous shooting splits who became a useful rotation guy in the league.

jj barea was one i came up with - so it's not impossible, but the deck is stacked against a guy like that.

if i were taking an undersized guard who couldn't shoot, i'd want him to at least be an elite playmaker (which Barea was). not sure miles hits that mark either. barea's assist% was more than double that of Miles.

[jman3134]

Lol. I am assuming you are being facetious with the first part. Correct me if I'm wrong?

[SeattleJazzFan]

Lol. I am assuming you are being facetious with the first part. Correct me if I'm wrong?

give me some examples of short dudes (6'1" or smaller) in the current era, who couldn't shoot worth a *beep* in college but became rotation players in the league.

[The-Power]

Small, inefficient, not a great playmaker, not a noteworthy shooter, limited progression from his freshman season. What's the appeal here? I also don't see how he supposedly stepped it up towards the end of the season. Doesn't look like that at all.

[jman3134]

Lol. I am assuming you are being facetious with the first part. Correct me if I'm wrong?

give me some examples of short dudes (6'1" or smaller) in the current era, who couldn't shoot worth a *beep* in college but became rotation players in the league.

Damn, looks like you are on a crusade here. Not sure what I did, but please tone it down.

Try reading my post before responding - notice I pointed out the shooting percentages in my initial post. He had a horrible year shooting the three ball. He has to be able to shoot to become a rotation player.

Put the post in context: we are talking second round non guaranteed contracts here, not top of the lottery. I'll go back to last year: Sharife Cooper. Miles isn't nearly as good, but there is an example from last year's draft.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Lol. I am assuming you are being facetious with the first part. Correct me if I'm wrong?

give me some examples of short dudes (6'1" or smaller) in the current era, who couldn't shoot worth a *beep* in college but became rotation players in the league.

Damn, looks like you are on a crusade here. Not sure what I did, but please tone it down.

Try reading my post before responding - notice I pointed out the shooting percentages in my initial post. He had a horrible year shooting the three ball. He has to be able to shoot to become a rotation player.

Put the post in context: we are talking second round non guaranteed contracts here, not top of the lottery. I'll go back to last year: Sharife Cooper. Miles isn't nearly as good, but there is an example from last year's draft.

crusade? tone down? I said it's rare for a small guy who can't shoot to make it in the league. you asked if i was being facetious - i said no and asked for some examples since obviously you thought my comment was so out in left field that i must be facetious?

so what exactly needs to be toned down? yikes. i'd be interested to know what it was i said that you took exception to. not seeing where i went wrong in your eyes.

[jman3134]

No you misunderstood. I was referring to the, "well if you say it, who am I to say you're wrong" part. I gave it a like because I thought it was a good tongue in cheek remark. But, then you were serious afterwards (and you can't tell tone online but "worth bl***"), so I was like damn what did I do to this guy?

Was thinking, I am not that fixed on Mike Miles being an NBA success here. I just asked if he would be drafted.

[Kobblehead]

I just don't think Miles shoots well enough to be a good pro. And his game not well rounded to make up for it.

[SeattleJazzFan]

No you misunderstood. I was referring to the, "well if you say it, who am I to say you're wrong" part. I gave it a like because I thought it was a good tongue in cheek remark. But, then you were serious afterwards (and you can't tell tone online but "worth bl***"), so I was like damn what did I do to this guy?

Was thinking, I am not that fixed on Mike Miles being an NBA success here. I just asked if he would be drafted.

sorry about the misunderstanding. i don't think he gets drafted in the top 40, ftr.

i meant it when i said "who am i to say you're wrong". people say the draft is a crapshoot for a reason. just about anybody can bust and pretty much any good college player has a chance to succeed. this guy has an uphill climb due to his size and lack of shooting, but Barea was one example of a guy with similar shooting splits and probably even smaller, so dude has a shot.

[jman3134]

No you misunderstood. I was referring to the, "well if you say it, who am I to say you're wrong" part. I gave it a like because I thought it was a good tongue in cheek remark. But, then you were serious afterwards (and you can't tell tone online but "worth bl***"), so I was like damn what did I do to this guy?

Was thinking, I am not that fixed on Mike Miles being an NBA success here. I just asked if he would be drafted.

sorry about the misunderstanding. i don't think he gets drafted in the top 40, ftr.

i meant it when i said "who am i to say you're wrong". people say the draft is a crapshoot for a reason. just about anybody can bust and pretty much any good college player has a chance to succeed. this guy has an uphill climb due to his size and lack of shooting, but Barea was one example of a guy with similar shooting splits and probably even smaller, so dude has a shot.

I smirked because I am just a guy too, not some oz.

It is fair to point out that his profile of a player in college does not typically hit because he will need to be able to shoot to get any minutes in the NBA. My understanding of valuation is that none of this occurs in a vacuum. If you interview the guy and like his mental profile, you can justify selecting him because you assume he will make that leap. That goes for most prospects and certain qualities they will need for the next level. To point out that this profile does not normally hit (which everyone in this thread has) is logically sound.

I have liked Miles since he started with the U19 team. But, I don't think he is a 1st round pick either. Probably 45-60.

[Hal14]

arguably the best PG in the class. Washington, chandler, montero, davison, spagnolo - miles has a case for being better than all of them.

No one else has his combination of strong/rugged frame + tough shot making off the bounce. that he can make from 3 or in mid range + legit 3 level scorer + speed + true floor general with good vision, pinpoint passing who creates quality looks for teammates + defense + ability to finish at the rim and through contact + still a young prospect too

Decent size at 6'2". Again, strong/rugged frame. What other PG is doing this type of stuff defensively?

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Only thing you can point to as a weakness is his 3 PT %. But when you look at the volume, the FT% and the degree of difficulty of his shots since he is THE focal point of the offense with very little help in terms of other good scorers/shooters he has around him playing in a VERY good defensive conference, it's easy to project good shooting numbers in more of a supporting role in the NBA.

[jman3134]

^ That's exactly why I said I have to go look at the tape more. Context is everything, especially on those shooting numbers. Thanks for the contribution. I wouldn't have posted a thread about him if I didn't like his game a lot. That said, the points made here about his shooting are also valid - he still needs to improve considerably even factoring in quality of shot. That doesn't mean he won't put it together. There's a reason he was starting on that U19 roster last summer alongside Jaden Ivey and Chet. He seems like the type of player that will get a year in the G League and break out.