Doug McDermott

Johnlac1 · Post #101 » by **Johnlac1** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:35 am

Led Zeppelin wrote:I don't think he can play SF in the NBA. I'd love to see him prove me wrong, but he just seems like an undersized, stretch 4.

I think that is where they'll try him. With many teams now playing stretch fours, "small" pfs like McDermott are less likely to be overpowered close to the basket. And if he's coming off the bench, he's likely to be a better off. threat than the guy guarding him.

EricAnderson · Post #102 » by **EricAnderson** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:22 pm

He has his limitations but hes just such a natural scorer..another thing working for him is hes amazing moving without the ball which seems to be a lost art..

Johnlac1 · Post #103 » by **Johnlac1** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:13 pm

EricAnderson wrote:He has his limitations but hes just such a natural scorer..another thing working for him is hes amazing moving without the ball which seems to be a lost art..

Now I know who he reminds me of....Kevin Love...a mini-Love that is. Plays the same kind of game. Not really athletic, but has a variety of moves, can shoot threes well, and get his shots off quickly.

No-Man · Post #104 » by **No-Man** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:20 pm

He is much more skilled than Love on offense, but he is a worse athlete.
Love is not really a talented offensive force, he has no 1on1 moves or game, he can create his own shot, obviously, but his biggest strength is his ability to read the game and how to move to get easy buckets.
McDermott can do that too, at a different level because he is smaller and weaker, but has a much more refined offensive game as a shooter.

Doug to me is a 6'8 version of Nowitzki.

karkinos · Post #105 » by **karkinos** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:24 pm

I really like pure players like McDermott despite obvious lack of athleticism. it's not unreasonable to get Korver like contributions out of him. his off ball movement, cutting, and finishing ability make him a bit more of a threat at the next level hopefully.

Post #106 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:26 pm

I like him as an NBA SF offensively. The combination of elite shooting ability/off-ball skills and a strong post game will make him very difficult to match-up with. You can't hide your big man on him with that activity level and shooting range, but he'll be able to punish quicker wings in the mid-post and on the boards.

But he'll need a very specific environment to succeed. You want multiple strong ball-handlers around him because he's not going to be creating for himself on the perimeter. You need good defenders (man and team) at the other 4 positions.

Chicago would seem like a dream fit, but I guess they're bringing Mirotic over. He'd be great next to LeBron or Melo.

RSCD3_ · Post #107 » by **RSCD3_** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:35 am

Johnlac1 wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:He has his limitations but hes just such a natural scorer..another thing working for him is hes amazing moving without the ball which seems to be a lost art..

Now I know who he reminds me of....Kevin Love...a mini-Love that is. Plays the same kind of game. Not really athletic, but has a variety of moves, can shoot threes well, and get his shots off quickly.

Love has a higher vertical (36-35) than durant. But his arms are like 7 inches shorter.

Athleticism (or lack of it) is often attributed to player's wingspan.

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rockmanslim · Post #108 » by **rockmanslim** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:33 pm

6' 8" Al Jefferson, with 3 pt shooting?

Kevin Willis · Post #109 » by **Kevin Willis** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:27 pm

cancer wrote:I really like pure players like McDermott despite obvious lack of athleticism. it's not unreasonable to get Korver like contributions out of him. his off ball movement, cutting, and finishing ability make him a bit more of a threat at the next level hopefully.

Question is how high do you want to draft a Korver like role-player. Or a rich-man's Kapono? Some draft boards have him too high because the NBA is a PF strong league right now, he'll have to go against diverse players like Bosh, Taj Gibson, Love, Dirk, West, WCW, etc. He's not a starter, more a score the lights out PF that comes of the bench.

karkinos · Post #110 » by **karkinos** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:22 pm

late lottery is very fair i think for a korver type player imo
franchise players in a re-draft will go in the top, and most drafts don't have that many stars, so if you get a consistent contributor from the lottery i think that's a reasonable expectation

the nba is definitely power forward strong, but as the league trends towards more stretch 4's and positions continue to evolve into blends rather than staying pure, mcdermott's success will be more about the system that he is in rather than the individual one on one matchups. only the elite PFs will have legit post/back to the basket games, and in general, teams have different defensive schemes for that anyways and rely upon more than single coverage. as you see with pick and roll playing such a large role in every team's offense around the league, the success of a stopping the ball has markedly less emphasis on individual one on one matchups, and a much greater emphasis on the collective bball IQ of the team, mainly switching and cross covering each other.

ManualRam · Post #111 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:26 pm

he's not a korver type

karkinos · Post #112 » by **karkinos** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:34 pm

i dont really follow, please elaborate.
10/4/3 isn't really unreasonable for mcdermott imo unless you think he won't even get enough minutes for that

ManualRam · Post #113 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:53 pm

cancer wrote:i dont really follow, please elaborate.
10/4/3 isn't really unreasonable for mcdermott imo unless you think he won't even get enough minutes for that

it's been gone over ad nauseum. the only similarities b/t korver and mcdermott are that they're white, went to creighton and can shoot 3's. korver is a master 3 point shooter, who shoots very well on the move and can have sets designed around his ability to come of screens and shoot. mcdermott's more of a stand still catch and shoot 3 point shooter, who doesn't even shoot 3's on huge volume or on the move. he does the majority of his damage inside the arc off of curls, pnr, pnp, sleep screens, quick post ups, mid post face ups, flex action with a variety of different shots. runners, pull ups, quick release push shots, scoop shots, fades, back door cuts, etc. he has an uncanny ability to catch and release the ball around the box area quickly with accuracy before the defense reacts a la antawn jamison.
mcdermott has more variety to his game. he's also bigger, stronger and knows how to use positioning and leverage to get touches from all over the floor.
the korver comparison is lazy. any mcdermott comparison to players who are strictly shooters is lazy.

karkinos · Post #114 » by **karkinos** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:37 am

i can see how you may have interpreted my comment that way, but if you read closely that wasn't at all what i meant given the context of what i originally typed and the conversation that followed. i was talking about a korver type player relative to his contributions (could be starter material as a solid role player, not a first or second option as a scorer). i've already acknowledged his threat with off the ball movement and slashing ability to the bucket.

karkinos · Post #115 » by **karkinos** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:41 am

i really hope the suns trade to move up to get mcdermott
i think he would be phenomenal in phx

Altered_Beast · Post #116 » by **Altered_Beast** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:06 am

What I find hilarious about this thread is that he is only being compared to white players

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reignfire · Post #117 » by **reignfire** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:25 am

Here's one thought.

All high scoring guys in the NBA, they can score on an ISO pretty consistently. You can't average 20 a game in the NBA without being able to ISO.

I've stated that I like this guy a lot, but I'm going to make my final judgement on him after March Madness. I think it is pretty concerning that, as a prolific scorer that he is, he isn't able to will his team deep into the tournament.

ManualRam · Post #118 » by **ManualRam** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:37 am

reignfire wrote:Here's one thought.

All high scoring guys in the NBA, they can score on an ISO pretty consistently. You can't average 20 a game in the NBA without being able to ISO.

I've stated that I like this guy a lot, but I'm going to make my final judgement on him after March Madness. I think it is pretty concerning that, as a prolific scorer that he is, he isn't able to will his team deep into the tournament.

he probably isn't a 20ppg scorer and that's fine. he doesn't need to be a 20ppg to pan out, but i think with his skill set mid to mid-high teens is achievable. his presence on the floor helps offenses because he can stretch the floor and draw extra attention from the defense without the ball in his hands. he doesn't project to be the man. he projects to be the guy who prevents the man from seeing added defensive attention.

tourney success doesn't mean much to me. it's such a crap shoot. doug has been a part of good teams. teams that could compete on a national level with mid-major talent.

reignfire · Post #119 » by **reignfire** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:04 am

ManualRam wrote:
reignfire wrote:Here's one thought.

All high scoring guys in the NBA, they can score on an ISO pretty consistently. You can't average 20 a game in the NBA without being able to ISO.

I've stated that I like this guy a lot, but I'm going to make my final judgement on him after March Madness. I think it is pretty concerning that, as a prolific scorer that he is, he isn't able to will his team deep into the tournament.

he probably isn't a 20ppg scorer and that's fine. he doesn't need to be a 20ppg to pan out, but i think with his skill set mid to mid-high teens is achievable. his presence on the floor helps offenses because he can stretch the floor and draw extra attention from the defense without the ball in his hands. he doesn't project to be the man. he projects to be the guy who prevents the man from seeing added defensive attention.

tourney success doesn't mean much to me. it's such a crap shoot. doug has been a part of good teams. teams that could compete on a national level with mid-major talent.

I like him a lot, but not in the sense you do. I see him as a bench guy but a productive one as his ceiling.

But I only see him as a latter if he can score well in ISO situations. He'll never be a starter because he doesn't fit a position. But if he can ISO, he can have a Scola type role in Indiana. Which is a great success for him.

SBM · Post #120 » by **SBM** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:14 am

The Mike Scott comparison is the best I have seen on this realgm board. I am a Hawks fan, Scott really does not defend 3's or 4's that well because he does not have enough quickness to consistently deal with 3's and he gets outrebounded and muscled from the 4's. He will hurt you on defense but he moves well without the ball on offense, knocks down shots, and runs the floor on offense. McDermott on a team with a offensive structure such as San Antonio or Atlanta could do well as a bench player who plays on nights when his offense makes up for him hurting you on defense.