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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#101 » by LloydFree » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:12 pm

god4gives wrote:http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/naismith-watch/2015-01-21/frank-everything-tank

No top player contributes more than Badgers' Kaminsky

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Each week, we’ll rank the top players in the Naismith race. These rankings are fluid and mostly for fun, but they matter ... to someone.

1) Frank Kaminsky -- Writing 'it was surprising to learn how much Wisconsin relied upon Kaminsky’s talents' is a farce; that was always obvious. But learning just how much they need him (kind of) caught me off guard. With him, the Badgers are a top-five team. Without, they’re just above the pack.

2) Jahlil Okafor -- Expectations almost aren’t fair. At this point, if Okafor isn’t shooting above 70 percent and shrouding his dominance in an effortless air, like he did in Duke’s 63-52 win against Louisville, he’s not meeting expectations. This is the reality Okafor has created for himself. This is why he is great.

3) Willie Cauley-Stein -- He hasn’t done anything wrong. He’s still the backbone of this Kentucky team. But it’s more what the other guys have done as Willie Cauley-Stein continues fulfilling expectations. Put it this way: If this were the College Football Playoff rankings, he’s the TCU of these power rankings.


If they give the Naismith award to Frank Kaminsky, after how was he brutalized and by (Freshman) Okafor, they need to check the committee to see if Adolph Rupp counted all of the votes.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#102 » by god4gives » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:57 am

LloydFree wrote:
god4gives wrote:http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/naismith-watch/2015-01-21/frank-everything-tank

No top player contributes more than Badgers' Kaminsky

Naismith Power Rankings

Each week, we’ll rank the top players in the Naismith race. These rankings are fluid and mostly for fun, but they matter ... to someone.

1) Frank Kaminsky -- Writing 'it was surprising to learn how much Wisconsin relied upon Kaminsky’s talents' is a farce; that was always obvious. But learning just how much they need him (kind of) caught me off guard. With him, the Badgers are a top-five team. Without, they’re just above the pack.

2) Jahlil Okafor -- Expectations almost aren’t fair. At this point, if Okafor isn’t shooting above 70 percent and shrouding his dominance in an effortless air, like he did in Duke’s 63-52 win against Louisville, he’s not meeting expectations. This is the reality Okafor has created for himself. This is why he is great.

3) Willie Cauley-Stein -- He hasn’t done anything wrong. He’s still the backbone of this Kentucky team. But it’s more what the other guys have done as Willie Cauley-Stein continues fulfilling expectations. Put it this way: If this were the College Football Playoff rankings, he’s the TCU of these power rankings.


If they give the Naismith award to Frank Kaminsky, after how was he brutalized and by (Freshman) Okafor, they need to check the committee to see if Adolph Rupp counted all of the votes.


Brutalized? There was no brutalization. They matched up pretty evenly
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#103 » by god4gives » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:54 pm

kaminsky >>> ok4, towns, WCS, Turner
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#104 » by Dcebucks11 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:30 pm

LloydFree wrote:
god4gives wrote:http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/naismith-watch/2015-01-21/frank-everything-tank

No top player contributes more than Badgers' Kaminsky

Naismith Power Rankings

Each week, we’ll rank the top players in the Naismith race. These rankings are fluid and mostly for fun, but they matter ... to someone.

1) Frank Kaminsky -- Writing 'it was surprising to learn how much Wisconsin relied upon Kaminsky’s talents' is a farce; that was always obvious. But learning just how much they need him (kind of) caught me off guard. With him, the Badgers are a top-five team. Without, they’re just above the pack.

2) Jahlil Okafor -- Expectations almost aren’t fair. At this point, if Okafor isn’t shooting above 70 percent and shrouding his dominance in an effortless air, like he did in Duke’s 63-52 win against Louisville, he’s not meeting expectations. This is the reality Okafor has created for himself. This is why he is great.

3) Willie Cauley-Stein -- He hasn’t done anything wrong. He’s still the backbone of this Kentucky team. But it’s more what the other guys have done as Willie Cauley-Stein continues fulfilling expectations. Put it this way: If this were the College Football Playoff rankings, he’s the TCU of these power rankings.


If they give the Naismith award to Frank Kaminsky, after how was he brutalized and by (Freshman) Okafor, they need to check the committee to see if Adolph Rupp counted all of the votes.


uh jahlil did not do anything to kaminsky.. Kaminsky went 17/9 that game.. okafor went 13/6... jahlil just has better teammates.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#105 » by Justwar » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:27 am

Frank looked overrated when he played kentucky last year and that was only dakari
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#106 » by DickGrayson » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:16 am

Justwar wrote:Frank looked overrated when he played kentucky last year and that was only dakari


Nothing he does impresses me. Not top 10 pick worthy.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#107 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:32 pm

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Justwar wrote:Frank looked overrated when he played kentucky last year and that was only dakari


Nothing he does impresses me. Not top 10 pick worthy.

So nobody outside of top 10 worthy picks impresses you in any way, young ward?
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#108 » by Marcus » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:25 pm

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LloydFree wrote:
god4gives wrote:http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/naismith-watch/2015-01-21/frank-everything-tank

No top player contributes more than Badgers' Kaminsky



If they give the Naismith award to Frank Kaminsky, after how was he brutalized and by (Freshman) Okafor, they need to check the committee to see if Adolph Rupp counted all of the votes.


uh jahlil did not do anything to kaminsky.. Kaminsky went 17/9 that game.. okafor went 13/6... jahlil just has better teammates.


yeah that game was act one of the Tyus Jones show.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#109 » by Dcebucks11 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:26 pm

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Justwar wrote:Frank looked overrated when he played kentucky last year and that was only dakari


Nothing he does impresses me. Not top 10 pick worthy.


I wouldn't take him in the top 10, I do wonder if his game will translate over to the NBA cuz I havent seen much of a mid range game and I don't want my Centers drifting out to the 3 point line so much.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#110 » by Marcus » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:40 pm

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Justwar wrote:Frank looked overrated when he played kentucky last year and that was only dakari


Nothing he does impresses me. Not top 10 pick worthy.


I wouldn't take him in the top 10, I do wonder if his game will translate over to the NBA cuz I havent seen much of a mid range game and I don't want my Centers drifting out to the 3 point line so much.


i wouldn't doubt Frank's midrange game too much. I'd attribute not seeing it to the kind of spacing the college game allows and the spacing Wisconsin generates more than him not really having the ability to do it. mid 70s from the stripe isn't bad and shows signs of the mid-range being there i'd think.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#111 » by PackAttack9 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:35 pm

I'm on the "Draft Frank Kaminsky to the Bucks" club, bandwagon, fanwagon, whatever. Bucks get more public support to build an arena with Frank on board.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#112 » by 165bows » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:32 pm

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Dcebucks11 wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:
Nothing he does impresses me. Not top 10 pick worthy.


I wouldn't take him in the top 10, I do wonder if his game will translate over to the NBA cuz I havent seen much of a mid range game and I don't want my Centers drifting out to the 3 point line so much.


i wouldn't doubt Frank's midrange game too much. I'd attribute not seeing it to the kind of spacing the college game allows and the spacing Wisconsin generates more than him not really having the ability to do it. mid 70s from the stripe isn't bad and shows signs of the mid-range being there i'd think.

48.8% from the midrange, almost all unassisted shots (~80% of them). A very good percentage. Though not sure what's wrong with threes.

http://www.hoop-math.com/Wisconsin2015.php

Can't find the graphic now but saw one over the weekend, Wisconsin is basically an elite team in terms of mid-range shooting %'s.

Edit - nevermind, here it is:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/567036607757553665[/tweet]
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#113 » by Justwar » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:31 pm

Kentucky guarded him on the perimeter with a not so mobile Dakari, but most teams just let him take 3's instead of running him off the line. Once made to dribble he's uncomfortable. He had 8 and 5 vs UK. I think he's a poor mans Hawes.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#114 » by Marcus » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:33 pm

Justwar wrote:Kentucky guarded him on the perimeter with a not so mobile Dakari, but most teams just let him take 3's instead of running him off the line. Once made to dribble he's uncomfortable. He had 8 and 5 vs UK. I think he's a poor mans Hawes.


talking bout last year?
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#115 » by Johnlac1 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:17 am

Justwar wrote:Kentucky guarded him on the perimeter with a not so mobile Dakari, but most teams just let him take 3's instead of running him off the line. Once made to dribble he's uncomfortable. He had 8 and 5 vs UK. I think he's a poor mans Hawes.

Kaminsky, while hardly a great athlete, is actually a little better athletically than Hawes and has better moves in the paint. Hawes is stronger and better able to handle big centers defensively.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#116 » by 165bows » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:16 am

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Justwar wrote:Kentucky guarded him on the perimeter with a not so mobile Dakari, but most teams just let him take 3's instead of running him off the line. Once made to dribble he's uncomfortable. He had 8 and 5 vs UK. I think he's a poor mans Hawes.

Kaminsky, while hardly a great athlete, is actually a little better athletically than Hawes and has better moves in the paint. Hawes is stronger and better able to handle big centers defensively.

Yeah I think he's a slightly more well-to-do Hawes. Should have more offensive upside than Hawes, IMO.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#117 » by Justwar » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:28 am

Hawes could swat in college tho
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#118 » by jpengland » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:05 pm

I'd certainly take him anything from 15 downwards if I have a ball club that employs a system that places value on smart bigs with a jumpshot.

He's a high floor, low ceiling kind of guy and could step right into the Hawks or Spurs as a rotational big.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#119 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:48 pm

165bows wrote:
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Dcebucks11 wrote:
I wouldn't take him in the top 10, I do wonder if his game will translate over to the NBA cuz I havent seen much of a mid range game and I don't want my Centers drifting out to the 3 point line so much.


i wouldn't doubt Frank's midrange game too much. I'd attribute not seeing it to the kind of spacing the college game allows and the spacing Wisconsin generates more than him not really having the ability to do it. mid 70s from the stripe isn't bad and shows signs of the mid-range being there i'd think.

48.8% from the midrange, almost all unassisted shots (~80% of them). A very good percentage. Though not sure what's wrong with threes.

http://www.hoop-math.com/Wisconsin2015.php

Can't find the graphic now but saw one over the weekend, Wisconsin is basically an elite team in terms of mid-range shooting %'s.

Edit - nevermind, here it is:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/567036607757553665[/tweet]

They often run their offense through him, and they have the most efficient offense in the nation (actually 4th as of 12/27). People doubting his skills because of one game last season against Kentucky is silly - he still made 4 of 7 shots, and obviously - he was KY's biggest concern. The previous game, he had 28/11 against a very good defensive Arizona team. If Hawes could move, he'd be a good comp, but he can't.
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Re: Frank Kaminsky 

Post#120 » by Amish Mafioso » Wed Mar 4, 2015 11:09 pm

god4gives wrote:kaminsky >>> ok4, towns, WCS, Turner


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