Kris Dunn

[Gomes3PC]

I understand many players have gotten that comparison - players like Rodney Stuckey and Dion Waiters...

But there are times where he has me wondering whether I accidentally switched to an old D-Wade video. The way he runs on the court, his dribbling moves, his acceleration, almost everything looks eerily similar. He even wears number 3...

Not saying he's that good, obviously. Few have ever been, few will ever be... I'm just saying that if I were Wade I'd sue him for copyright theft. It's almost as bad as Kobe aping Jordan.

Rodney Stuckey, last year in college - 33.6% assist rate
Waiters, final year in college - 21.1% assist rate
Dunn, this year - 49.7% assist rate

Apples and oranges. And honestly, if Stuckey with defense is your downside, that's a damn good player. Stuckey's been about a 3-win player throughout his career despite always being a liability at that end.

Waiters is similar in his athleticism and P&R ability, but he's a complete F'ing bonehead and makes no effort to elevate his teammates' play, nor does he entertain playing defense. Dunn is a different animal in both regards.

[Marcus]

I understand many players have gotten that comparison - players like Rodney Stuckey and Dion Waiters...

But there are times where he has me wondering whether I accidentally switched to an old D-Wade video. The way he runs on the court, his dribbling moves, his acceleration, almost everything looks eerily similar. He even wears number 3...

Not saying he's that good, obviously. Few have ever been, few will ever be... I'm just saying that if I were Wade I'd sue him for copyright theft. It's almost as bad as Kobe aping Jordan.

Rodney Stuckey, last year in college - 33.6% assist rate
Waiters, final year in college - 21.1% assist rate
Dunn, this year - 49.7% assist rate

Apples and oranges. And honestly, if Stuckey with defense is your downside, that's a damn good player. Stuckey's been about a 3-win player throughout his career despite always being a liability at that end.

Waiters is similar in his athleticism and P&R ability, but he's a complete F'ing bonehead and makes no effort to elevate his teammates' play, nor does he entertain playing defense. Dunn is a different animal in both regards.

Pretty sure he was comparing Kris Dunn to DWade and citing Stuckey and Waiters as guy who have garnered that comparison before. He wasn't actually comparing Dunn to Stuckey or Waiters.

[Gomes3PC]

Got it, misunderstood. The Wade comparisons seem heady but I do think Dunn is about as "sure thing" of a contributor as you can find. He's just so good at defense and attacking the rim that he'll find a role with most any team.

If the Celtics had some more shooters on the wing I'd be in love with the idea of him and Smart in the backcourt defensively.

[kuly1990]

he reminds me of Lowry

[HotelVitale]

Rodney Stuckey, last year in college - 33.6% assist rate
Waiters, final year in college - 21.1% assist rate
Dunn, this year - 49.7% assist rate
Apples and oranges. And honestly, if Stuckey with defense is your downside, that's a damn good player. Stuckey's been about a 3-win player throughout his career despite always being a liability at that end.

To add to that sort of comparison, I was living in DET when Stuckey had the keys to the Pistons, and he always seemed just a slight tweak away from turning into an all-star type player. Just couldn't put together the timing, or couldn't quite keep consistently focused. He was certainly talented enough to be a much better player than he's now known as.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Dunn just hit a buzzer-beater for the win.

[doordoor123]

I honestly would take Dunn at 3. I love Bender, but Dunn is a sure thing. Whoever picks at 3 should be Dunn.

[Gomes3PC]

I honestly would take Dunn at 3. I love Bender, but Dunn is a sure thing. Whoever picks at 3 should be Dunn.

Need to trust the scouts. Sixers fans are kicking themselves for the Sixers making that decision with Okafor over Porzingis. And this is coming from a huge Dunn fan. I just know nothing about Bender, but if a guy his size can truly ball at his age, it's hard to pass up.

[doordoor123]

I honestly would take Dunn at 3. I love Bender, but Dunn is a sure thing. Whoever picks at 3 should be Dunn.

Need to trust the scouts. Sixers fans are kicking themselves for the Sixers making that decision with Okafor over Porzingis. And this is coming from a huge Dunn fan. I just know nothing about Bender, but if a guy his size can truly ball at his age, it's hard to pass up.

I actually really like Bender for the Celtics. He fits their defensive system as a guy that can defend multiple positions. Bender is a different kind of player.

[No-Man]

Ingram+Dunn (if Philly has LA pick) got to be the dream draft for the 76ers, if they got those two and do a goodjob with OKC and Miami picks, getting wings, they are settled.

[HotelVitale]

I honestly would take Dunn at 3. I love Bender, but Dunn is a sure thing. Whoever picks at 3 should be Dunn.

Need to trust the scouts. Sixers fans are kicking themselves for the Sixers making that decision with Okafor over Porzingis. And this is coming from a huge Dunn fan. I just know nothing about Bender, but if a guy his size can truly ball at his age, it's hard to pass up.

The 'scouts' didn't have any consensus that Porzingis was definitely better, just that he was legitimately very very good. I definitely wish the Sixers had him instead of Okafor now, but I don't think that decision had anything to do with Hinkie listening to like espn and grantland over the fleet of NBA talent evaluators he had (he also went to like a dozen of Porzingis' euroleague games himself, way way more than any other GM).

[Gomes3PC]

I honestly would take Dunn at 3. I love Bender, but Dunn is a sure thing. Whoever picks at 3 should be Dunn.

Need to trust the scouts. Sixers fans are kicking themselves for the Sixers making that decision with Okafor over Porzingis. And this is coming from a huge Dunn fan. I just know nothing about Bender, but if a guy his size can truly ball at his age, it's hard to pass up.

The 'scouts' didn't have any consensus that Porzingis was definitely better, just that he was legitimately very very good. I definitely wish the Sixers had him instead of Okafor now, but I don't think that decision had anything to do with Hinkie listening to like espn and grantland over the fleet of NBA talent evaluators he had (he also went to like a dozen of Porzingis' euroleague games himself, way way more than any other GM).

Oh I'm not saying it was a slam dunk. I am just saying you shouldn't take a guy just because he is safer than a Euro prospect. Hinkie is very thorough - would love to learn someday why he picked Jah over KP.

[EMG518]

Need to trust the scouts. Sixers fans are kicking themselves for the Sixers making that decision with Okafor over Porzingis. And this is coming from a huge Dunn fan. I just know nothing about Bender, but if a guy his size can truly ball at his age, it's hard to pass up.

The 'scouts' didn't have any consensus that Porzingis was definitely better, just that he was legitimately very very good. I definitely wish the Sixers had him instead of Okafor now, but I don't think that decision had anything to do with Hinkie listening to like espn and grantland over the fleet of NBA talent evaluators he had (he also went to like a dozen of Porzingis' euroleague games himself, way way more than any other GM).

Oh I'm not saying it was a slam dunk. I am just saying you shouldn't take a guy just because he is safer than a Euro prospect. Hinkie is very thorough - would love to learn someday why he picked Jah over KP.

He thought Jah was better, pretty simple. I still think Jah is going to be the better player. He is on an atrocious team with nobody to get him the ball and doesnt look like he goes 100% every night. You saw when he went up against Towns and Porzingis he took it to both of them.

[BoyzNTheHood]

He'll be a superstar in the NBA. Not just a star, a superstar. He's the Chris Paul of this draft, not game-wise, but in terms of going 4th overall and being better than guys in front of him, because I doubt Dunn goes #1.

[Gomes3PC]

The 'scouts' didn't have any consensus that Porzingis was definitely better, just that he was legitimately very very good. I definitely wish the Sixers had him instead of Okafor now, but I don't think that decision had anything to do with Hinkie listening to like espn and grantland over the fleet of NBA talent evaluators he had (he also went to like a dozen of Porzingis' euroleague games himself, way way more than any other GM).

Oh I'm not saying it was a slam dunk. I am just saying you shouldn't take a guy just because he is safer than a Euro prospect. Hinkie is very thorough - would love to learn someday why he picked Jah over KP.

He thought Jah was better, pretty simple. I still think Jah is going to be the better player. He is on an atrocious team with nobody to get him the ball and doesnt look like he goes 100% every night. You saw when he went up against Towns and Porzingis he took it to both of them.

He's more physically mature than both those guys. Don't want to sidetrack this thread, but Towns and KP's superior shooting and mobility are going to win out in the long run. I don't think there's a single GM in the NBA that would take Okafor over KP or Towns after seeing them play.

[EMG518]

Oh I'm not saying it was a slam dunk. I am just saying you shouldn't take a guy just because he is safer than a Euro prospect. Hinkie is very thorough - would love to learn someday why he picked Jah over KP.

He thought Jah was better, pretty simple. I still think Jah is going to be the better player. He is on an atrocious team with nobody to get him the ball and doesnt look like he goes 100% every night. You saw when he went up against Towns and Porzingis he took it to both of them.

He's more physically mature than both those guys. Don't want to sidetrack this thread, but Towns and KP's superior shooting and mobility are going to win out in the long run. I don't think there's a single GM in the NBA that would take Okafor over KP or Towns after seeing them play.

I dont think he is more physically mature, he is the youngest of the 3 and he just has the superior build physically as far as strength goes. They will never be as strong as he is because of their lower halfs. As far as no gm taking Okafor over either of them after seeing them play, it already happened and all these teams did their homework I assure you, they didnt go and pick blind. They had seen all 3 of them play many times, Hinke traveled to see Porzingis first hand many times.

[rick_21]

He'll be a superstar in the NBA. Not just a star, a superstar. He's the Chris Paul of this draft, not game-wise, but in terms of going 4th overall and being better than guys in front of him, because I doubt Dunn goes #1.

I think more or less the same.

Kris Dunn will very likely become a superstar in the NBA. He's already one of the best NCAA players and the fast, open-court NBA style is going to make him look even better.

He has the talent, court vision and athletic gifts to dominate at the NBA level, but the thing that amazes me is his motor. He reminds me of Russell Westbrook with his non-stop motor and his super high activity level, he is consistenly impacting games both in offense AND defense. I'm pretty sure the team that drafts Dunn will love him, and he will overachieve his draft position.

Simmons, Ingram or Bender may have higher ceilings, but Kris Dunn is the most likely to become a superstar from this draft. I don't thing you can go wrong drafting him.

[165bows]

Got it, misunderstood. The Wade comparisons seem heady but I do think Dunn is about as "sure thing" of a contributor as you can find. He's just so good at defense and attacking the rim that he'll find a role with most any team.

If the Celtics had some more shooters on the wing I'd be in love with the idea of him and Smart in the backcourt defensively.

Seeing Smart the last couple of nights makes me wonder if he's destined to fulfill the Evan Turner role positionally as a guy that gets 25-30 minutes a night playing anywhere he's needed at the 1-2-3.

Before I'd have thought Boston would have to move a major backcourt piece to even entertain adding Dunn, now I'm not so sure.

[doordoor123]

Got it, misunderstood. The Wade comparisons seem heady but I do think Dunn is about as "sure thing" of a contributor as you can find. He's just so good at defense and attacking the rim that he'll find a role with most any team.

If the Celtics had some more shooters on the wing I'd be in love with the idea of him and Smart in the backcourt defensively.

Seeing Smart the last couple of nights makes me wonder if he's destined to fulfill the Evan Turner role positionally as a guy that gets 25-30 minutes a night playing anywhere he's needed at the 1-2-3.

Before I'd have thought Boston would have to move a major backcourt piece to even entertain adding Dunn, now I'm not so sure.

I don't think that's Marcus Smart's role for his career. Brad Stevens just likes to have a bunch of versatile guys that can switch their man off. Once his offense finally picks up I don't see him guarding the other team's best weapons (which means less switching). He's also a guy you'd rather have at the top of the key on defense rather than in the corner guarding an SF.

[Gomes3PC]

Got it, misunderstood. The Wade comparisons seem heady but I do think Dunn is about as "sure thing" of a contributor as you can find. He's just so good at defense and attacking the rim that he'll find a role with most any team.

If the Celtics had some more shooters on the wing I'd be in love with the idea of him and Smart in the backcourt defensively.

Seeing Smart the last couple of nights makes me wonder if he's destined to fulfill the Evan Turner role positionally as a guy that gets 25-30 minutes a night playing anywhere he's needed at the 1-2-3.

Before I'd have thought Boston would have to move a major backcourt piece to even entertain adding Dunn, now I'm not so sure.

I think the guy who is most likely to move is still Bradley, in exchange for a bigger wing (SF/PF) who is a similarly talented perimeter shooter.