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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#101 » by CptCrunch » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:16 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Who do you guys think is the better prospect between Malik Monk and Jamal Murray?



I think Malik might be even a better shooter. He is obviously a superior athlete. Reminder that Jamal can really shoot: http://www.stack.com/a/kentuckys-jamal-murray-drained-25-3-pointers-in-2-minutes-at-recent-pre-draft-workout

Before the draft, I called Murray an undersized SG in a PG's body. He skipped the draft combines and thus we have to use his Kentucky combine numbers. Malik is EVEN smaller than Murray. And to boot, he has even worse PG skill, handles and instincts.

I think they are both pretty close taking the above into account (I was never high on Murray, I think Monk is overrated right now off his 44 points against UNC). I'm always doubtful of undersized shooting guards. I am personally a believer that undersized shooting guards cannot become superstar players in the league. They only have good potential as a 3rd option, 6th man. This is the primary reason why I'm really low on Monk, who I believe does not have the potential to run the point in the NBA.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#102 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:50 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote:Who do you guys think is the better prospect between Malik Monk and Jamal Murray?



I think Malik might be even a better shooter. He is obviously a superior athlete. Reminder that Jamal can really shoot: http://www.stack.com/a/kentuckys-jamal-murray-drained-25-3-pointers-in-2-minutes-at-recent-pre-draft-workout

Before the draft, I called Murray an undersized SG in a PG's body. He skipped the draft combines and thus we have to use his Kentucky combine numbers. Malik is EVEN smaller than Murray. And to boot, he has even worse PG skill, handles and instincts.

I think they are both pretty close taking the above into account (I was never high on Murray, I think Monk is overrated right now off his 44 points against UNC). I'm always doubtful of undersized shooting guards. I am personally a believer than undersized shooting guards cannot become superstar players in the league. They only have good 3rd option, 6th man potential. This is the primary reason why I'm really low on Monk, who I believe does not have the potential to run the point in the NBA.


So who are you saying is better?
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#103 » by CptCrunch » Wed Jan 4, 2017 5:26 pm

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paulbball wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Who do you guys think is the better prospect between Malik Monk and Jamal Murray?



I think Malik might be even a better shooter. He is obviously a superior athlete. Reminder that Jamal can really shoot: http://www.stack.com/a/kentuckys-jamal-murray-drained-25-3-pointers-in-2-minutes-at-recent-pre-draft-workout

Before the draft, I called Murray an undersized SG in a PG's body. He skipped the draft combines and thus we have to use his Kentucky combine numbers. Malik is EVEN smaller than Murray. And to boot, he has even worse PG skill, handles and instincts.

I think they are both pretty close taking the above into account (I was never high on Murray, I think Monk is overrated right now off his 44 points against UNC). I'm always doubtful of undersized shooting guards. I am personally a believer than undersized shooting guards cannot become superstar players in the league. They only have good 3rd option, 6th man potential. This is the primary reason why I'm really low on Monk, who I believe does not have the potential to run the point in the NBA.


So who are you saying is better?


Guns to my head, I take Murray (AND NO, I don't take Murray we know now vs Monk pre-draft).
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#104 » by jonjames » Wed Jan 4, 2017 6:39 pm

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jonjames wrote:Malik Monk putting on a show.


I actually thought it was a bad game for him. He was one dimensional and took and missed some bad shots. He's simply not big enough and consistent enough for me just yet. He should be filling up a stat sheet but because of his size and handle limitations he can't. That, and his defense is why he's overrated. I'm sure he'll still go in the lottery but I'd take all the PG and another half dozen guys before I took him.



I agree. I liken him to lou williams coming out of high school who i was very high on and regarded him as future star in the nba. As we all know lou aint a star due to his complete inability to defend his position and lack of pg skills, but he is a legit instant offense type player off the bench. Monk has slightly better size than lou but the question marks on his handles and defense really raise doubts as to how good I think he'll be. If he had tighter handles and better defense, I would say he has a gilbert arenas type ceiling.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#105 » by toussaud » Sun Jan 8, 2017 10:38 pm

kid has a lot of work to do. hes a toll booth on defense. extrrmely inconsistant volume shooter with no left hand to speak of. i know he is one and done but if there was ever a kid who would benefit from three years of college, hes it. his game is 100% dependant on fox right now
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#106 » by GimmeDat » Sun Jan 8, 2017 11:19 pm

Murray and Monk are... different shooters. Murray has such a beautiful release that he flows effortlessly in to off of screens and such. Monk seems to be a more prolific catch and shoot shooter, and he has that elevated, high release.

I think Monk has the higher ceiling in terms of college comparison because he has the physical attributes to overcome being a bit undersized, and if he works on his body and handle a bit more, that athleticism should serve him well to be a more all-around offensive threat. If you're talking purely who I would rather in a Redick-esque role on a team, I'd say Murray, though.
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Post#107 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 11:30 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Murray and Monk are... different shooters. Murray has such a beautiful release that he flows effortlessly in to off of screens and such. Monk seems to be a more prolific catch and shoot shooter, and he has that elevated, high release.

I think Monk has the higher ceiling in terms of college comparison because he has the physical attributes to overcome being a bit undersized, and if he works on his body and handle a bit more, that athleticism should serve him well to be a more all-around offensive threat. If you're talking purely who I would rather in a Redick-esque role on a team, I'd say Murray, though.


This. The best way to put it in my opinion is Murray is a shooter while Monk is a scorer. Murray needs to just watch videos of Redick, Allen, Korver and Rip run off the ball all day. If Murray wants to be an impact player the chances are its going to be in the mold of those guys. Monk is more Lou Williams, Crawford or JR pre Cleveland. These guys are just there to put the ball in the basket at anyway possible. They tend to be high volume guys that are inconsistent which is why they are considered guys that can shoot you into a game or shoot you out of one. They could have one year where theyre runaway 6th man winners and another year where they just struggle.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#108 » by jrob23 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 4:21 am

I'll always take the more athletic and quicker guy so I'd say Monk is the better prospect. But I really like Murray too and actually wanted BOS to draft him. Murray has that "it" factor. He isn't simply a scorer either. He can run the point on occasion and has underrated passing ability and BBIQ. For a combo guard which I see him being, Murray has decent size. Being so young, I always felt that he would need to be humbled, than bust his arse in the weight room before he'd arrive. That would help him with his quickness and explosion. The fact that DEN actually gave him minutes in November and he won rookie of the month was surprising to me. He seems like he needs to be the man. The ball has got to go through his hands and I see him as a Harden type player. So yeah, I had Murray as the 2nd best player in the draft considering his age, upside, and considerable skill. Now that DEN is giving him sporadic minutes and usually not letting the offense go through him you are seeing him struggle. His shooting and attitude especially. DEN just needs to decide who they want on their team. They are too deep at SG and C. Make a decision and move the other guy(s).

Monk has an outstanding handle in transition where instincts take over. In the half court he has mostly shown he's dependent on others to get him the ball in a position to score and maybe that's because he thinks too much. It's similar to Avery Bradley this season. If that's all Monk could ever do, along with being a beast in transition, he's worth a lottery pick. Because he's so elite athletically I expect him to improve in all facets of the game and probably quicker than AB took. He's a great prospect. He might not have great size or a complete arsenal yet, but he'll be tough to stop once he develops. He could go anywhere in this draft inside the lottery and it wouldn't surprise me. He could be a star in the NBA. There's other guys I'd prefer the Celtics take but if we traded back to pick up another pick or to facilitate a trade and we ended up getting him with pick 8-12...man, I'd be ecstatic. We'd have to trade AB or let him go when he hits FA but that's okay because we'd be set at SG for a decade.

But I might prefer Diallo over both lmao. He just signed with Kentucky I believe so he'll hopefully have enough time to make believers out of you guys. He has the type of talent that can get you out of your seat. If his shooting holds up at all G.M.s are going to have a very tough decision to make regarding which shooting guard to take first. The late start might hurt him and prevent him from going before Monk. But I think he has a slight chance and workouts/combine will help too.

Edit: NVM it looks like unless something changes, Diallo will not suit up for Kentucky. It doesn't mean he won't declare for the draft...just that teams may not get a chance to see him except for those workouts or the combine.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#109 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jan 9, 2017 5:11 pm

Murray has a complete offensive arsenal, and he is SMOOTH af. He's so crafty 2ft in to 20ft out, I was so impressed with the way he dismantled my team a month ago. The guy has such an effortless smooth stroke too. The guy might be 6'4 but he does look bigger than that, and he is quicker than I thought too.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#110 » by No-Man » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:35 pm

Murray is much better with the ball in his hands working around screens, has much more poise and pause to his game, doesnt have Monk high release, athleticism or transition game, neither is a plus as a passer but If I had to bet who might be able to run a team somewhat my money is on Jamal for sure.
On the other end Monk might end up been avg or even good if he gets consistent enough, doubt it, and Murray is gonna be a liability no matter what.
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Post#111 » by WalterBenjamin » Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:57 pm

I am buying Monks stock. Showed some PnR action, passing glimpses with lobs, hand-offs around the rim. Better handle than expected and enough atheltic abillity. And the NBA setting with coaches around you all the time will do him good.
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Post#112 » by shawn_hemp » Tue Mar 7, 2017 5:38 pm

Monk didn't play much defense at the start of the year but he has slowly shown progress on that end of the floor. He doesn't get beat defensively as much as people claim, he just doesn't get a lot of steals either. He can work around screens pretty well

Someone said Jamal Murray had that "it factor", umm, have you watched Kentucky play this year? Not even getting into the UNC game, which he single handedly won for them, Monk has closed out plenty of games for Kentucky by getting points when they needed him to. The Florida and Vanderbilt games come to mind. Even when he doesn't shoot well to start the game, he is ready and willing to take the clutch shots.

I don't get the people saying he has no handles either. I mean, he's not pulling any And1 mixtape sequences out there, but he has a nice stutter step move when driving to the basket and he always goes for contact as well

Which brings me to my next point, he's not really a weak dude for his build. He is stronger than he looks, hence the leaping ability and mid-air adjustments around the basket.

He's from a small town in Arkansas and definitely seems like someone who will put in work to get better in the NBA, whether that's the weight room or film room or w/e. His older brother was an NFL athlete, I think it's safe to say he has strong builds in his family.

Lou Williams isn't an unfair comparison, but he reminds me more of Bradley Beal on Florida.

He is the best scorer in the draft, and also is willing to give the ball up to his teammates as well.

If he had a few highlights of chasedown blocks or picking players pockets people would be all over this guy.

But he doesn't really get his hands involved on the defensive end for whatever reason. It's not that he is out of position or can't keep up with his man, he just seems to save his energy for offense.

But when you get to a crunch time situation, he can really dial in and become a somewhat decent defender.

He is the player who I find it the hardest to find flaws in his game, and a player who should theoretically fit on any team since he is an awesome off-the-ball player who is always flying around the court trying to get open.

That's part of the reason he slacks on defense IMO, he runs around a lot on offense already.

And to be honest, I think that makes more sense for a player as gifted at scoring as Monk is to do then kill himself on defense.

TLDR - Bradley Beal 2.0 IMO. Even their releases are similar and both can shoot off the dribble very well.

Monk is not just a catch and shoot player who plays no defense.
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Post#113 » by Upperclass » Tue Mar 7, 2017 6:49 pm

Monk will be better than Beal imo. He's like a smaller Kobe almost. Not saying he'll be that prolific. But thats the type of talent I think he possesses
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Post#114 » by reanimator » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:01 pm

Upperclass wrote:Monk will be better than Beal imo. He's like a smaller Kobe almost. Not saying he'll be that prolific. But thats the type of talent I think he possesses


Is this a stylistic comparison? I'm a bit confused...
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Post#115 » by Upperclass » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:41 pm

reanimator wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Monk will be better than Beal imo. He's like a smaller Kobe almost. Not saying he'll be that prolific. But thats the type of talent I think he possesses


Is this a stylistic comparison? I'm a bit confused...


Just play style. They move and have a similar style of play imo. Not Young Frobe, post Colorado Kobe.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#116 » by DrCoach » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:35 pm

Can't wait to see Monks Measurements
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#117 » by No-Man » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:17 pm

Monk is much more Ray Allen than Kobe, the big deal here is if he comes close to Allen, or heck even Redick, or stays more in combo-guardish territory like smaller LaVine or guys like that.
Monk moves all the time and has diversity to his jumper, he constrains your flexbility becausehe needs to be paired with a playmaking wing or a big PG and those are hard to get, but he also constrains it in the right way because those archetype are historically great at making winning teams, soooo it kind of all depends on what you got in your roster or how ytou are building your team, Monk might be worth of a 5th overall pick, can't see him cracking top4, for some teams, but for others he is more of a late-lotto guy.
Hate going for fit that early and his variance scares the heck out of me, so dunno.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#118 » by Tanks1 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:15 pm

He has Sixers written all over him.....would step right into Nik Stauskas spot. Nik gets a ton of open looks, but just doesn't hit them.
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#119 » by The-Power » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:40 pm

Tanks1 wrote:He has Sixers written all over him.....

The Kings could be interested in a combo/shooting guard that can get hot. I mean, why not trying something different for a change?
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Re: Malik Monk 

Post#120 » by KF10 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:23 am

The-Power wrote:
Tanks1 wrote:He has Sixers written all over him.....

The Kings could be interested in a combo/shooting guard that can get hot. I mean, why not trying something different for a change?


The Kings already have Buddy Hield, Malachi Richardson, Bogdan Bogdanović & Ben McLemore. Why would the Kings draft Monk?

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