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Post#101 » by nicnac215 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 1:16 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:This idea of guys like Bol plaing SF because they are mobile for a C is just b-a-n-a-n-a-s. He would get beat like a drum on defense.

He may be able to handle spot minutes at PF, but much like Zinger his ideal position likely is C.

That being said, if Orlando moves Gordon for a shot maker / creater at guard then who knows. Isaac is one of the rare guys 6'10 or taller that is abl to play SF in this league, so if for whatever reason they want to draft Bol and play either he or Bamba out of position at PF, maybe they do. But SF? Or with Gordon still on the team? No way.

Also, even if Gordon was gone and they draft Bol its Bamba likely to play PF IMO. His center of gravity is more conducive to getting low and guarding smaller PF. Still not a great plan tho IMO.

Issac is taller than Bamba and closer to 7'1. He is the tallest sf in NBA history. here is proof https://imgur.com/a/mdAPU1b
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Knickstape1214 wrote:Bol gets pushed under the rim easily because of his super high hips / center of gravity, has a high and loose handle, doesn't have the foot speed to defend 4s (let alone 3s), has pretty poor defensive awareness around the rim, and absolutely cannot play any minutes whatsoever at the 3 (or the 4).

This nonsense about Bol making sense on the Magic needs to stop.

So you're telling me Bol isn't KD?
KD isn't 7'3" otherwise he would be a poor mans Bol Bol
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#102 » by No-Man » Sat Dec 1, 2018 1:17 am

Isaac would be better as a 5 than a 3 and he isn't really playing the 3 for Orlando, Gordon is
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Post#103 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 1:23 am

Wait people are talking Bol as a 3 in the NBA? We are talking about the same Bol Bol right? There is no way in hell Bol Bol has the foot speed to play the 3. I think the guy would get abused by 4s.
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Post#104 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Dec 1, 2018 7:52 am

Bol Bol / Ayton front court with Booker
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Post#105 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 8:20 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Bol Bol / Ayton front court with Booker


Neither are 4s.
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Post#106 » by Ball4life32 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 8:53 pm

Yeah I really like Bol but he’s a 5 all the way.
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Post#107 » by GimmeDat » Sat Dec 1, 2018 10:19 pm

Absolutely a 5. Skillset doesn't override physical limitations.
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Post#108 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:35 am

nicnac215 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:This idea of guys like Bol plaing SF because they are mobile for a C is just b-a-n-a-n-a-s. He would get beat like a drum on defense.

He may be able to handle spot minutes at PF, but much like Zinger his ideal position likely is C.

That being said, if Orlando moves Gordon for a shot maker / creater at guard then who knows. Isaac is one of the rare guys 6'10 or taller that is abl to play SF in this league, so if for whatever reason they want to draft Bol and play either he or Bamba out of position at PF, maybe they do. But SF? Or with Gordon still on the team? No way.

Also, even if Gordon was gone and they draft Bol its Bamba likely to play PF IMO. His center of gravity is more conducive to getting low and guarding smaller PF. Still not a great plan tho IMO.

Issac is taller than Bamba and closer to 7'1. He is the tallest sf in NBA history. here is proof https://imgur.com/a/mdAPU1b
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Knickstape1214 wrote:Bol gets pushed under the rim easily because of his super high hips / center of gravity, has a high and loose handle, doesn't have the foot speed to defend 4s (let alone 3s), has pretty poor defensive awareness around the rim, and absolutely cannot play any minutes whatsoever at the 3 (or the 4).

This nonsense about Bol making sense on the Magic needs to stop.

So you're telling me Bol isn't KD?
KD isn't 7'3" otherwise he would be a poor mans Bol Bol


Isaac shouldn't be playing the 3 in the first place. He's preferably a 5 in this new NBA, but with Bamba in the fold he's fine at the 4. But the 3 is way out of position for him, at least offensively. And then you have Gordon, who's an awkward fit at both the 3 and 4 but passable. Bamba is exclusively a 5.

Now you want to add Bol Bol into this mix, who's also almost exclusively a 5? What are we doing here? It seems like you just want a bunch of length on your team without thinking about fit and how all of these guys are gonna play together. On paper it screams epic failure.

Look, if you like Bol that much and think he's going to be the best player available to you at the Magic pick then I have no qualms about taking him...but then Bamba would have to be moved for a legitimate wing or guard. If you have Bamba and Bol on the roster (and Isaac/Gordon on top to boot) then it's just going to be a messy front court top to bottom.

Also, like everyone else is telling you...you need to start looking at Bol as a Center. Not a 4 and certainly not a 3 (which is laughable). I think if you start doing that all of this will make more sense to you.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#109 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:37 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Bol Bol / Ayton front court with Booker


That would be disastrous. Which one is gonna guard stretch 4s/wings?

On paper the perfect fits for Phoenix in this draft are either Zion or Reddish. If they get their hands one of these two they're golden.

Imagine this 'death lineup':

Devin Booker
Mikal Bridges
Josh Jackson
Zion Williamson
Deandre Ayton

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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#110 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:47 am

clyde21 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Bol Bol / Ayton front court with Booker


That would be disastrous. Which one is gonna guard stretch 4s/wings?

On paper the perfect fits for Phoenix in this draft are either Zion or Reddish. If they get their hands one of these two they're golden.

Imagine this 'death lineup':

Devin Booker
Mikal Bridges
Josh Jackson
Zion Williamson
Deandre Ayton

:o


Low key, and not with their first pick, but Tre Jones would fit in perfectly in Phoenix also.

As for a Bol/Ayton frontcourt - it's not like anyone on the team besides Mikal and Melton have real defensive potential/ability, anyway. GO ALL IN! :lol: :-? :(
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Post#111 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:50 am

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clyde21 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Bol Bol / Ayton front court with Booker


That would be disastrous. Which one is gonna guard stretch 4s/wings?

On paper the perfect fits for Phoenix in this draft are either Zion or Reddish. If they get their hands one of these two they're golden.

Imagine this 'death lineup':

Devin Booker
Mikal Bridges
Josh Jackson
Zion Williamson
Deandre Ayton

:o


Low key, and not with their first pick, but Tre Jones would fit in perfectly in Phoenix also.

As for a Bol/Ayton frontcourt - it's not like anyone on the team besides Mikal and Melton have real defensive potential/ability, anyway. GO ALL IN! :lol: :-? :(


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Post#112 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Dec 2, 2018 3:05 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Bol Bol / Ayton front court with Booker


That would be disastrous. Which one is gonna guard stretch 4s/wings?

On paper the perfect fits for Phoenix in this draft are either Zion or Reddish. If they get their hands one of these two they're golden.

Imagine this 'death lineup':

Devin Booker
Mikal Bridges
Josh Jackson
Zion Williamson
Deandre Ayton

:o


Low key, and not with their first pick, but Tre Jones would fit in perfectly in Phoenix also.

As for a Bol/Ayton frontcourt - it's not like anyone on the team besides Mikal and Melton have real defensive potential/ability, anyway. GO ALL IN! :lol: :-? :(


Agreed 100% on Tre Jones being a perfect fit. I've been saying for awhile they should try to trade for Tyus. Tre is basically a Tyus clone with better defense.
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Post#113 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 2, 2018 3:11 am

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Knickstape1214 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
That would be disastrous. Which one is gonna guard stretch 4s/wings?

On paper the perfect fits for Phoenix in this draft are either Zion or Reddish. If they get their hands one of these two they're golden.

Imagine this 'death lineup':

Devin Booker
Mikal Bridges
Josh Jackson
Zion Williamson
Deandre Ayton

:o


Low key, and not with their first pick, but Tre Jones would fit in perfectly in Phoenix also.

As for a Bol/Ayton frontcourt - it's not like anyone on the team besides Mikal and Melton have real defensive potential/ability, anyway. GO ALL IN! :lol: :-? :(


Agreed 100% on Tre Jones being a perfect fit. I've been saying for awhile they should try to trade for Tyus. Tre is basically a Tyus clone with better defense.


I'd try to go grab Spencer Dinwiddie this off season if I were them.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#114 » by The-Power » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:41 pm

MemphisX wrote:Would scare the begeezus out of me.

Hehe, exactly where I'm at. There's just something about him that screams ‘don't touch’. Maybe we're going to look stupid in hindsight, but I sure as hell would be scared to use a high pick him and have my job possibly being dependent on him panning out.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#115 » by clyde21 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 5:09 pm

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MemphisX wrote:Would scare the begeezus out of me.

Hehe, exactly where I'm at. There's just something about him that screams ‘don't touch’. Maybe we're going to look stupid in hindsight, but I sure as hell would be scared to use a high pick him and have my job possibly being dependent on him panning out.


Where would you feel comfortable taking him?
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Post#116 » by GimmeDat » Tue Dec 4, 2018 2:34 am

He scares me as well. He's been super productive, and if I look at him through the lens of 'Bamba but way better shot making' (a crude comparison but not entirely untrue either), then it makes me feel pretty good about him.

But I think he just feels like a dangerous guy to pick because there's no real precedence for a guy like him in the NBA, I feel. He's not even a Porzingis like guy, he's different again from that. But I think ultimately, if you're a team in the top 10, and you want a big, it's hard to pass up trying his upside. Especially a team like Atlanta that looks set on just getting the most shooting out there as possible, Bol's pretty irresistible.

If you're a team that is relatively comfortable at C though, I could see a team easily talking themselves out of him because of that feeling of risk. And given that's a lot of teams, yeah I could see him potentially sliding.

Cleveland, Atlanta, maybe Washington if they continue to suck.. otherwise I think he could fall to 8-10 range. Once you get that far I think a team would be pretty crazy to take a chance on mediocre (lottery) prospects like Langford, Johnson, etc. over him. So that's his floor.

So I'm going to say his range is anywhere from 2-9.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#117 » by No-Man » Tue Dec 4, 2018 10:48 am

I would feel comfortable taking him from late lotto or so, not higher, and Def not 2-9, drafting for need esp when it comes to drafting Centers is just dumb also

Comparing him to Bamba and KP makes not much sense I get the idea but you need to dig deeper, Bol's physique is just impossible to figure out and its way different than those guys

Bamba while been avg is a better athlete with a better frame, more balanced, better movement skills, doesn't have Bol's touch but is easier to project him getting stronger, KP is a better athlete than Bamba and a better shooter than Bol, always had a wide frame even if he remained skinny, completely different league
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#118 » by Eskobar13 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 12:37 pm

Does Bamba having a strong rookie season have any effect on Bol's stock?

I don't think it should, but can't help not seeing that being shoved down our throat's by the media during the last months before the draft.
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Post#119 » by Hoopz Afrik » Tue Dec 4, 2018 2:22 pm

Eskobar13 wrote:Does Bamba having a strong rookie season have any effect on Bol's stock?

I don't think it should, but can't help not seeing that being shoved down our throat's by the media during the last months before the draft.


Hmmm. That's a good question. It's possible but I don't think it will.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#120 » by Ball4life32 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 2:33 pm

If the Hawks don’t get Zion I would love him with the Mavs pick and then hopefully get Reddish with their first pick.

Young
Huerter
Reddish
Collins
Bol

Or

Young
Reddish
Prince
Collins
Bol

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