Jalen Green - next elite prospect

[Marcus]

It has nothing to do with Cade versus Green. As a Pistons fan I didn't have either one on my radar until we won the lottery, and in watching a Gleague prospect for the first time I am incredibly unsure of how to measure success or talent. I'm posing questions. What does it mean for prospects coming out of the G league if someone like Sekou can dominate and then be worthless in the NBA? How do you adjust your critical eye to make that make sense? I'm down on green compared to people here but I'm not anti green, I am saying I do not know how to even begin evaluating him. We had to change our expectations of euro drafting due to someone like Milicic. Athletic overseas doesn't mean athletic in the NBA for example. I am only questioning what we need to be aware of as fans and armchair scouts. I wouldn't touch green with a 10 foot pole, but that has little to do with his possible talent level and much more to do with being a G league experiment.

i think it's moreso this idea that Jalen wasn't going to hack it in college and took the safer exit going G-League. The decision he made was groundbreaking he was in the conversation for the top prospect in his class and legit had any school he wanted to chose from if he so wanted to go to college. This isn't a situation where he had to land here because he was optionless.

Also, for you having admittedly not having much information to go off of with Green outside of this G-League concept you've presented, it might be better to fall back and receive the information from those who may be more informed on the matter. This argument that a person can be great in the G-League and then not play well in the NBA can also be applied to college players not to mention it's a complete dismissal of G-League success stories.

end of the day, the talent is the talent. Giving Green's strengths and weaknesses a critical eye is the real evaluation not just declaring because he came from the G-League and because another player that also came from the G-League he will end up underperforming the same way.

Jah Okafor dominated at Duke
Jayson Tatum dominated at Duke

evaluate the talent sir.

If you asked me about Okafor I would've told you about Monroe, that I would need to see something exceedingly special to excite me for Okafor and that I hadn't seen anything to distinguish them as small, under the rim players.

The problem with falling back to your knowledge is that you don't recognize the concerns I have of evaluating g league prospects. You can say "dude looks like he can score at a top tier rate" all you want, but if I am questioning the differences between g league and a scrimmage, and all you say is he can score again, you'll have to forgive me for not buying in. Like I said with Euro talent, there has to be an established expectations and understanding of the differences between the two leagues. The difference of college and nba is more than well documented and can still be wrong obviously. I'm not saying green can't be good. I'm saying it is a huge gamble, I have seen nothing to differentiate him from the players previously mentioned who went down to the g league, and we don't know enough about how the game translates.

Greens strengths are largely measured in a different rule set from college against players who don't care about defense even if they are superior talents.

i'll try this again, more direct this time. Outside of the G-league argument. Is there anything you can say are strengths or weaknesses of Jalen Green?

[Shock Defeat]

So, basically fringe NBA players fighting for millions can’t guard him because of the 3 second rule, but he would have been exposed by a bunch of future plumbers & insurance salesmen at Northern Iowa?

While you have a point when I watch g league I don’t see any players trying hard on defense. All the games from the g league bubble reminds me of a scrimmage. Sure the players are more athletic, but college players give tons more effort defensively and actually try different schemes.

ridiculous...players in the G League are semi pros doing this for a living, many are trying to feed their families and trying to make the NBA or a team abroad and are showcasing themselves accordingly...the idea that college kids are trying harder than G League players is unfounded and blatantly wrong.

The players are showcasing themselves offensively. There is hardly anyone showcasing themselves defensively which is why it's easy to put up stats.

[clyde21]

While you have a point when I watch g league I don’t see any players trying hard on defense. All the games from the g league bubble reminds me of a scrimmage. Sure the players are more athletic, but college players give tons more effort defensively and actually try different schemes.

ridiculous...players in the G League are semi pros doing this for a living, many are trying to feed their families and trying to make the NBA or a team abroad and are showcasing themselves accordingly...the idea that college kids are trying harder than G League players is unfounded and blatantly wrong.

The players are showcasing themselves offensively. There is hardly anyone showcasing themselves defensively which is why it's easy to put up stats.

im just gonna assume u haven't actually watched much g league action and call it a day.

[K_chile22]

ridiculous...players in the G League are semi pros doing this for a living, many are trying to feed their families and trying to make the NBA or a team abroad and are showcasing themselves accordingly...the idea that college kids are trying harder than G League players is unfounded and blatantly wrong.

The players are showcasing themselves offensively. There is hardly anyone showcasing themselves defensively which is why it's easy to put up stats.

im just gonna assume u haven't actually watched much g league action and call it a day.

I think defense is generally not as good because team defense is really lacking from all the turnover on g league teams, don't think it's a good reason to discount green at all though and one on one defense is better than it is in college probably

[DCasey91]

He has a good point about the G League, I would’ve have liked Green in the NBL for example much more psychical and continuity and they play for keeps.
I think it’s the best league outside of Euroleague. Sort of like the Minor Leagues in Baseball. Grown vets teaching the young pups on serious level ball, no funny stuff. RJ went there too and was a roleplayer. It does a lot for a young man’s game that maybe raw in College. A stack of players put up
numbers in College too.

Time and time again the step up from College to NBA is too big of a gap. Domestically there needs to be a legitimate bridge. Hopefully the NBA takes the G league development pathway as a good alternative seriously.

US did it for Women’s Soccer and it’s flourishing big time. Can’t see a reason not to make it as great as that.

Lamelo looked above average (some great moments some bad in between he was young against grown men) in that league, then starred in the NBA (different gamestyle, bigger court, open space, better athletes and players). But class is class and Green is as classy as they come.

[Phenomenonsense]

i think it's moreso this idea that Jalen wasn't going to hack it in college and took the safer exit going G-League. The decision he made was groundbreaking he was in the conversation for the top prospect in his class and legit had any school he wanted to chose from if he so wanted to go to college. This isn't a situation where he had to land here because he was optionless.

Also, for you having admittedly not having much information to go off of with Green outside of this G-League concept you've presented, it might be better to fall back and receive the information from those who may be more informed on the matter. This argument that a person can be great in the G-League and then not play well in the NBA can also be applied to college players not to mention it's a complete dismissal of G-League success stories.

end of the day, the talent is the talent. Giving Green's strengths and weaknesses a critical eye is the real evaluation not just declaring because he came from the G-League and because another player that also came from the G-League he will end up underperforming the same way.

Jah Okafor dominated at Duke
Jayson Tatum dominated at Duke

evaluate the talent sir.

If you asked me about Okafor I would've told you about Monroe, that I would need to see something exceedingly special to excite me for Okafor and that I hadn't seen anything to distinguish them as small, under the rim players.

The problem with falling back to your knowledge is that you don't recognize the concerns I have of evaluating g league prospects. You can say "dude looks like he can score at a top tier rate" all you want, but if I am questioning the differences between g league and a scrimmage, and all you say is he can score again, you'll have to forgive me for not buying in. Like I said with Euro talent, there has to be an established expectations and understanding of the differences between the two leagues. The difference of college and nba is more than well documented and can still be wrong obviously. I'm not saying green can't be good. I'm saying it is a huge gamble, I have seen nothing to differentiate him from the players previously mentioned who went down to the g league, and we don't know enough about how the game translates.

Greens strengths are largely measured in a different rule set from college against players who don't care about defense even if they are superior talents.

i'll try this again, more direct this time. Outside of the G-league argument. Is there anything you can say are strengths or weaknesses of Jalen Green?

Nothing that you all haven't said. Good athlete. Puts the ball in thr basket. Strong step back. In his interview he seems willing to learn from others, but he doesn't strike me as thr type that is going to come up with his own moves on his own so I'd say his development coach could matter a lot for improvements to his game. I see flashes of what people here see but definitely a tier down from top 5 player in the game.

[Big J]

If you asked me about Okafor I would've told you about Monroe, that I would need to see something exceedingly special to excite me for Okafor and that I hadn't seen anything to distinguish them as small, under the rim players.

The problem with falling back to your knowledge is that you don't recognize the concerns I have of evaluating g league prospects. You can say "dude looks like he can score at a top tier rate" all you want, but if I am questioning the differences between g league and a scrimmage, and all you say is he can score again, you'll have to forgive me for not buying in. Like I said with Euro talent, there has to be an established expectations and understanding of the differences between the two leagues. The difference of college and nba is more than well documented and can still be wrong obviously. I'm not saying green can't be good. I'm saying it is a huge gamble, I have seen nothing to differentiate him from the players previously mentioned who went down to the g league, and we don't know enough about how the game translates.

Greens strengths are largely measured in a different rule set from college against players who don't care about defense even if they are superior talents.

i'll try this again, more direct this time. Outside of the G-league argument. Is there anything you can say are strengths or weaknesses of Jalen Green?

Nothing that you all haven't said. Good athlete. Puts the ball in thr basket. Strong step back. In his interview he seems willing to learn from others, but he doesn't strike me as thr type that is going to come up with his own moves on his own so I'd say his development coach could matter a lot for improvements to his game. I see flashes of what people here see but definitely a tier down from top 5 player in the game.

Most guys don't come up with their own moves. They usually just steal them from other guys nowadays (euro step, step back 3, Trae backwards jump foul draw, ect). Development coaches are key for all these dudes.

[bon]

Still have him clearly in the top 4, but there's a notion that Green can come in and be one of the best scorers in the league right away which is overselling his abilities. I don't doubt his potential at all but he's not going to torch everyone Day 1. Guys like Lavine and Beal took 4-5 seasons to crack a 20+ average. Might not take Green that long but I wouldn't be shocked if it did

[Big J]

Still have him clearly in the top 4, but there's a notion that Green can come in and be one of the best scorers in the league right away which is overselling his abilities. I don't doubt his potential at all but he's not going to torch everyone Day 1. Guys like Lavine and Beal took 4-5 seasons to crack a 20+ average. Might not take Green that long but I wouldn't be shocked if it did

Ant Edwards was 19.3 this year and Green is the same level athlete, and wayyy more skilled. I have zero doubt that he's going to be an absolutely assassin in this league on day 1.

[bon]

Still have him clearly in the top 4, but there's a notion that Green can come in and be one of the best scorers in the league right away which is overselling his abilities. I don't doubt his potential at all but he's not going to torch everyone Day 1. Guys like Lavine and Beal took 4-5 seasons to crack a 20+ average. Might not take Green that long but I wouldn't be shocked if it did

Ant Edwards was 19.3 this year and Green is the same level athlete, and wayyy more skilled. I have zero doubt that he's going to be an absolutely assassin in this league on day 1.

Yeah I thought of Ant after I made that post. I think the difference here though is Ant had a much more NBA ready body. 40 lbs of additional strength over Green lets him throw his weight around more and absorb contact better. We also can't understate how important getting an offensive specialist in Chris Finch was for his game. Those are big factors to me.

[DCasey91]

I reckon year 3 is the sweet spot for Green. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t have multiple 40 point games before then though.

Non All stars have gone for 40+ even 50 this year lol.

So much room to operate, illegal screens, carrying, traveling and the potency of volume scoring/shooting.

Beal off ball/on ball sets he’ll thrive. Added to the fact you’ll get him 5+ points on the fast break on lobs and free runs to the basket because he’s literally too quick for 99.9% of the league. He has glitch speed lol.

I’m most excited about him over anyone. A taller Beal with Morant athleticism with a better shot with less passing ability? Sign me up that sounds box office.

[Bruin]

Aside from high scoring outputs, what else does green bring to the table?

[J_Magic]

Aside from high scoring outputs, what else does green bring to the table?

That should be enough. He can work on his passing abilities in NBA.

[Bruin]

Aside from high scoring outputs, what else does green bring to the table?

That should be enough. He can work on his passing abilities in NBA.

Being just a scorer isn’t enough. He needs to improve the playmaking and defense

Otherwise he’s a harden without playmaking. Still a good player but not gonna win much

I don’t doubt he will be able to develop other facets of his game but as of right now his defense and playmaking is concerning to me

[DroseReturnChi]

Aside from high scoring outputs, what else does green bring to the table?

That should be enough. He can work on his passing abilities in NBA.

thats not really enough. one dimensional scorers really dont last long. at least edwards is using his god given athleticism to play some defense.

[Bruin]

Aside from high scoring outputs, what else does green bring to the table?

That should be enough. He can work on his passing abilities in NBA.

thats not really enough. one dimensional scorers really dont last long. at least edwards is using his god given athleticism to play some defense.

If Green never develops other parts of his game, he’s gonna end up like a Jordan Clarkson. Vacuum scorer in a secondary role

He has to improve other stuff. I’m sure he will tho

[Big J]

That should be enough. He can work on his passing abilities in NBA.

thats not really enough. one dimensional scorers really dont last long. at least edwards is using his god given athleticism to play some defense.

If Green never develops other parts of his game, he’s gonna end up like a Jordan Clarkson. Vacuum scorer in a secondary role

He has to improve other stuff. I’m sure he will tho

In what world do Clarkson & Harden even sniff Green's athleticism? They aren't even on the same planet as him.

[Bruin]

thats not really enough. one dimensional scorers really dont last long. at least edwards is using his god given athleticism to play some defense.

If Green never develops other parts of his game, he’s gonna end up like a Jordan Clarkson. Vacuum scorer in a secondary role

He has to improve other stuff. I’m sure he will tho

In what world do Clarkson & Harden even sniff Green's athleticism? They aren't even on the same planet as him.

Athleticism only does so much. Terrence Ross is a freak athlete too. But he’s been a career 6th man type. Green is gonna need to develop other parts of his game to separate himself from being just a scorer to being a legit star player

I think he will if put in the right situation and granted the patience. Cleveland is probably not a good a spot for him with sexton and the poor culture there

Houston or Toronto are probably his best landing spots long term

[Big J]

If Green never develops other parts of his game, he’s gonna end up like a Jordan Clarkson. Vacuum scorer in a secondary role

He has to improve other stuff. I’m sure he will tho

In what world do Clarkson & Harden even sniff Green's athleticism? They aren't even on the same planet as him.

Athleticism only does so much. Terrence Ross is a freak athlete too. But he’s been a career 6th man type. Green is gonna need to develop other parts of his game to separate himself from being just a scorer to being a legit star player

I think he will if put in the right situation and granted the patience. Cleveland is probably not a good a spot for him with sexton and the poor culture there

Houston or Toronto are probably his best landing spots long term

Cmon man. Terrence Ross is strictly a catch & shoot guy whereas Green actually has a handle and an impressive set of moves. He's gonna be a stud day 1 no matter where he lands.

[Bruin]

In what world do Clarkson & Harden even sniff Green's athleticism? They aren't even on the same planet as him.

Athleticism only does so much. Terrence Ross is a freak athlete too. But he’s been a career 6th man type. Green is gonna need to develop other parts of his game to separate himself from being just a scorer to being a legit star player

I think he will if put in the right situation and granted the patience. Cleveland is probably not a good a spot for him with sexton and the poor culture there

Houston or Toronto are probably his best landing spots long term

Cmon man. Terrence Ross is strictly a catch & shoot guy whereas Green actually has a handle and an impressive set of moves. He's gonna be a stud day 1 no matter where he lands.

Ross is not a catch and shoot guy

I don’t doubt Green is a great scorer. But what else is he? Just putting up points isn’t enough for me to consider a player a star

I need impact. Playmaking and/or defense needs to be a part of the players skill set