2020 NBA Draft Combine Thread

[Catchall]

Okoro is 6'5 without shoes and 6'6 with shoes as far as we know.

He also apparently has a 6'8 wingspan. Not impressive at all.

I dont really see why Okoro is seen as a substantially better prospect than Nassir Little. At least not 15+ spots better.

I disagree with you. Okoro is so efficient and explosive getting downhill, he reminds me of Corey Maggette in that respect. He's also a beast defensively, a 4 or 5-position defender. Nas Little can barely play.

[getrichordie]

Well for starters, there's Patrick Williams. I'd bet on Isaac Okoro.

Okoro is 6'5 without shoes and 6'6 with shoes as far as we know.

He's also 3x the athlete that Woodard is and is a better, more versatile defender.

More versatile? Yes. 3x the athlete? No. I've scouted both and I'd say Okoro is just a little bit of a better athlete, but a much better basketball player.

[dolphinatik]

I see a list of results from the shooting drills but not sure that was all of the results. Anyone have a list of all participants and who declined which drills?

[BlazersBroncos]

I disagree with you. Okoro is so efficient and explosive getting downhill, he reminds me of Corey Maggette in that respect. He's also a beast defensively, a 4 or 5-position defender. Nas Little can barely play.

Little by all advanced metrics was VERY similar to Okoro their respective freshman years. He has a much better frame (Same height and weight but 7'1 wingspan vs 6'8) and tested similar (38.5 vetical with Okoro reportedly at 38).

Okoro is better at attacking the basket, but he is just as poor a shooter as Little was coming out (Arguably worse) and this idea that he is some sort of defensive juggernaut is all based on what people expect not what he has shown.

Little Per 40
21.5 PPG / 10.1 RPG / 1.5 APG / 1.2 SPG / 1.2 BPG
20 PER / .163 WS48 / 2.9 OBPM / 2.2 DBPM / .549 TS / .365 FTR

Okoro Per 40
16.3 PPG / 5.6 RPG / 2.6 APG / 1.2 SPG / 1.1 BPG
19.1 PER / .156 WS48 / 3.7 OBPM / 2.5 DBPM / .587 TS / .551 FTR

I give a slight edge to Okoro because he gets to the FTL so much, but they are very similar players in all other respects. The idea that Okoro is ready to go, while Little fell to the middle 20's as a project, is very odd to me. I just dont see a lotto pick in him. Its 2020, attacking downhill is great but only if you can shoot. Anyone that cant shoot will just get sagged off and the whole offense stutters.

Okoro has tools and a great frame (Other than WS), but he is absolutley a project and I wouldnt expect much from him as a rookie. You dont go from a sub 70% FT and sub 30% 3PT guy to a passable shooter in a single season. He will need to work VERY hard, just like Little, to get his shot good enough to be rotation worthy. Until then he is just a 9th man hustle type year 1-2 IMO.

[EvanZ]

Okoro's standing reach isn't great either for a wing. He has a broad chest and fairly short arms.

[BlazersBroncos]

Okoro's standing reach isn't great either for a wing. He has a broad chest and fairly short arms.

Ya, he is sorta built like a giant running back.

[doordoor123]

His size also affects the way he wants to play. There arent a lot of guy with that size who can't shoot. Luckily he's strong, fast and super athletic.

[BostonCouchGM]

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top 30 prospect for me

How many guys 6'7" 230 lbs with 7'2" wingspan with his tenacity on defense, athleticism and skill level? He is a lottery talent and if I was in the market for a wing, he'd be first on my board.

Well for starters, there's Patrick Williams. I'd bet on Isaac Okoro.

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

[doordoor123]

The more I think about it, the more I can't see a lot of these point guards going before Grant Riller. He has the offensive skills of superstars. Like extremely advanced moves. You don't really see the level of basketball he plays in college. Maaybe its because he's older and had more time to develop his moves, but even Trae Young wasn't as advanced at reading when to attack and how to get to the basket. He has so many different types of finishes for a rookie. He also has something that I always look for in playmakers -- power behind his passes. He can zip it and that'll lead to better precision passing at the next level. Look out for this kid.

[Catchall]

How many guys 6'7" 230 lbs with 7'2" wingspan with his tenacity on defense, athleticism and skill level? He is a lottery talent and if I was in the market for a wing, he'd be first on my board.

Well for starters, there's Patrick Williams. I'd bet on Isaac Okoro.

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

This is often what happens right before the draft. People get excited about raw measurables. Woodard is a backup 4/5 like post-injury Rudy Gay on the Spurs. If he'll knock down a decent percentage of his shots, then great, he's Jamychal Green potentially, but he needs to prove that in games and not just an empty gym. Don't go comparing him to Lebron. He doesn't have anywhere near that athleticism or even a fraction of Lebron's ball skills.

[BostonCouchGM]

Well for starters, there's Patrick Williams. I'd bet on Isaac Okoro.

Okoro is 6'5 without shoes and 6'6 with shoes as far as we know.

He's also 3x the athlete that Woodard is and is a better, more versatile defender.

someone clearly hasn't ever watched Woodard and just heard of him a couple of posts ago lmao. He's a great athlete. Okoro is too. But Okoro isn't as big or as long. 3 X the athlete is laughable.

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and it seems to me that Woodard has the frame to put on even more size while getting in better shape. He seemed to have some baby fat in college so if he is 6.5% body fat now I expect he'll be even quicker and more explosive.

[nolang1]

The more I think about it, the more I can't see a lot of these point guards going before Grant Riller. He has the offensive skills of superstars. Like extremely advanced moves. You don't really see the level of basketball he plays in college. Maaybe its because he's older and had more time to develop his moves, but even Trae Young wasn't as advanced at reading when to attack and how to get to the basket. He has so many different types of finishes for a rookie. He also has something that I always look for in playmakers -- power behind his passes. He can zip it and that'll lead to better precision passing at the next level. Look out for this kid.

The #1 craziest thing about this draft to me is seeing people bring up how easy it is to get solid bigs for cheap as a knock against drafting Wiseman or Okongwu high while there are like 15 different 6'2-ish score-first guards who aren't very good defensively being talked about as potential lottery sleepers. To use the same logic, I'm sure you can sign like Jeff Teague or DJ Augustin for cheap. If you wanted to spend a little more I'm sure a late first-round pick is more than enough to get a Derrick Rose or Lou Williams.

[doordoor123]

The more I think about it, the more I can't see a lot of these point guards going before Grant Riller. He has the offensive skills of superstars. Like extremely advanced moves. You don't really see the level of basketball he plays in college. Maaybe its because he's older and had more time to develop his moves, but even Trae Young wasn't as advanced at reading when to attack and how to get to the basket. He has so many different types of finishes for a rookie. He also has something that I always look for in playmakers -- power behind his passes. He can zip it and that'll lead to better precision passing at the next level. Look out for this kid.

The #1 craziest thing about this draft to me is seeing people bring up how easy it is to get solid bigs for cheap as a knock against drafting Wiseman or Okongwu high while there are like 15 different 6'2-ish score-first guards who aren't very good defensively being talked about as potential lottery sleepers. To use the same logic, I'm sure you can sign like Jeff Teague or DJ Augustin for cheap. If you wanted to spend a little more I'm sure a late first-round pick is more than enough to get a Derrick Rose or Lou Williams.

Riller is a better defender than he gets credit for. He just had to do everything for his team. He didn't go to a huge basketball college filled with prospects. He has quick hands, but looks tired on defense a lot. He just needs other guys that can make shots on the team.

[Curtis Lemansky]

I haven't watched a lot of Okoro but how does he compare to Zhaire Smith as a prospect?

[Magicfanatic82]

Anyone seen measurements on Ramsey?

[pcbothwel]

Okoro is 6'5 without shoes and 6'6 with shoes as far as we know.

He's also 3x the athlete that Woodard is and is a better, more versatile defender.

someone clearly hasn't ever watched Woodard and just heard of him a couple of posts ago lmao. He's a great athlete. Okoro is too. But Okoro isn't as big or as long. 3 X the athlete is laughable.

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and it seems to me that Woodard has the frame to put on even more size while getting in better shape. He seemed to have some baby fat in college so if he is 6.5% body fat now I expect he'll be even quicker and more explosive.

Im sorry, but what is everyone talking about?!? I agree that Okoro isnt "3X" the athlete, but woodard is very average to me.
Look at these dunks.. the dude is 6''7 with a 7'1 reach, and his wrist are barely above the rim.

I look at a guy with similar measurements on the Wiz in Troy Brown Jr. Extremely high IQ and skilled, but was viewed as a below average athlete. Troy brown even looked better than this:

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Devin Vassell is killed on here often for not being athletic enough:

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Sorry, not buying it. I see a guy that immediately steps in as a bench player and gives you good minutes, but seeing the Jaylen Brown comps and such is just nuts.

[doordoor123]

Be specific when you’re talking about athleticism. Vassell clearly has a good vertical, but he can’t handle the ball dribbling and is slow. Woodard is kind of average vertically, but he’s super strong and has goodness body control around the rim. But he can also dunk off of either one or two feet, which is a bigger deal than just off of one foot. One foot dunkers have to use the momentum to get air while two foot jumpers it’s all power and athleticism. Also who has the better second jump? Who has a more explosive jump?

Okoro has elite athleticism, like the kind elite superstars have, but the rest of his game needs a lot of work. It’s like LaVine when he was in college. He had elite quickness and verticality, but needed work on his game. Of course they both have very different skill sets and different development paths.

[elias808]

Woodard is starting to intrigue me. As a Blazers fan, watching the series vs the Lakers; specifically GTJR on Lebron, only solidified the need of a thicc wing. Woodard could be that guy; such as Bey (both) or maybe PA from Memphis.

So who do you all take; Tyler Bey, S. Bey, or Woodard AND WHY?

[Catchall]

I have very little interest in Robert Woodard, just as I wouldn't worry about trying to draft a guy like Jamychal Green, Moe Harkless or James Johnson in the 1st round. You can get that guy in the 2nd round.

Quite frankly, I'd like to see Woodard workout against Paul Eboua and Yves Pons.

[Catchall]

I haven't watched a lot of Okoro but how does he compare to Zhaire Smith as a prospect?

Okoro is a brick house. I compare him physically to Corey Maggette. Maybe you'd compare him a little to Jaylen Brown.

Zhaire Smith is a wiry, athletic, defensive-minded swingman who used to remind me of Doug Christie.

Both are explosive athletes in their own way. Both are limited offensively out on the floor.