Scottie Barnes

[God Squad]

Care to explain?

He has the size and playmaking as well as the intensity of Giannis. It’s a pretty reasonable CEILING but he’s likely not gonna reach it, as I said. Not many players actually reach their ceiling

Why not just say Ben Simmons with a shot as his ceiling? Or Ben Simmons lite?

His ceiling is Giannis with Simmons playmaking

So Barnes ceiling is the GOAT in basketball?

Personally, I think Scottie has Lebron lite potential.

That is not "the" GOAT, but it's a GOAT.

Once again, I'm saying potential/high end.

I have Scootie #2 right now on my big board. Fwiw

Either I need to go to bed, or need to really dig into some Scotty game/film sessions.

[tmorgan]

[tweet][/tweet]I saw him straight up disappear against Michigan in the tourney. One game, I know, but I’m not as high on Franz as most are, and Scottie just vanished for that game. Bodes poorly.

My concern is his touch. He doesn’t have any. At all. If he learns to shoot at an average level, the rest of the package is there, but I have my doubts.

So, to get back to the OP’s question: I don’t know. And that concerns me.

[Bruin]

ok dont listen to this guy either ^

Care to explain?

He has the size and playmaking as well as the intensity of Giannis. It’s a pretty reasonable CEILING but he’s likely not gonna reach it, as I said. Not many players actually reach their ceiling

Why not just say Ben Simmons with a shot as his ceiling? Or Ben Simmons lite?

His ceiling is Giannis with Simmons playmaking

So Barnes ceiling is the GOAT in basketball?

A Giannis with Simmons playmaking is still ass in shooting so no

[God Squad]

Care to explain?

He has the size and playmaking as well as the intensity of Giannis. It’s a pretty reasonable CEILING but he’s likely not gonna reach it, as I said. Not many players actually reach their ceiling

Why not just say Ben Simmons with a shot as his ceiling? Or Ben Simmons lite?

His ceiling is Giannis with Simmons playmaking

So Barnes ceiling is the GOAT in basketball?

A Giannis with Simmons playmaking is still ass in shooting so no

Okay, not goat but top 5? The poster above said LeBron lite. I'm just not seeing what everyone else is, unless i'm not evaluating him correctly. IMO his ceiling looks like peak Draymond circa 15-16 when he shot 38 % from three. That Dray also brought in 7.8 assist and 7.4 rebounds. It's the draft and anything can happen, but I guess when I see "Giannis with Simmons playmaking" it's an instant eye roll.

[Bruin]

Why not just say Ben Simmons with a shot as his ceiling? Or Ben Simmons lite?



So Barnes ceiling is the GOAT in basketball?

A Giannis with Simmons playmaking is still ass in shooting so no

Okay, not goat but top 5? The poster above said LeBron lite. I'm just not seeing what everyone else is, unless i'm not evaluating him correctly. IMO his ceiling looks like peak Draymond circa 15-16 when he shot 38 % from three. That Dray also brought in 7.8 assist and 7.4 rebounds. It's the draft and anything can happen, but I guess when I see "Giannis with Simmons playmaking" it's an instant eye roll.

I don’t see Lebron lite but I also don’t see Draymond given the fact that Barnes is much more athletic

The way he attacks the rim reminds me of Giannis. He’s a better playmaker than Giannis though given the fact that he actually played PG in college. Hence my Giannis with Simmons playmaking ceiling

[DCasey91]

Both Ben and Giannis and Lebron are just straight bigger then Barnes is.

Barnes is a more wing oriented version of Draymond Green.

People that buy his overall offense (scoring,creating, shooting) are going to be very disappointed.

His facilitating is great but that’s it that’s the offensive arsenal you have. Take away his right he literally has nothing.

His shot isn’t bad it’s broken the chances of it actually being below average is very very slim.

[Skybox]

Does he distribute in the half-court offense-like high post or is he just a "Point Guard" when he's moving? Lots of video of him making a decent pass to a wing running with him or off of a steal, but, IMO, those are easier to make a nice mix tape...can he pick apart a half-court defense with cutters and picks (like prime Draymond)? That's a whole different level of court vision and potential...I don't know the answer to that, going off of what I've seen and not seen.

As an ORL fan, I'm opposed to picking him at 5 unless he's unleashed as some unique kind of threat...not just a surprisingly good ball handler, or a surprisingly good passer on the fly for his size. If the new coach can utilize his rare (?) gifts in an exciting, uptempo and SUSTAINABLE offense, I don't want a non-shooting, non-rebounding defensive specialist who can do some other things.

[GatorbaitDD]

He will not solve Orlando's scoring issue. If he's the pick, it's for his play making and defense.

[Roddy B for 3]

Why not just say Ben Simmons with a shot as his ceiling? Or Ben Simmons lite?



So Barnes ceiling is the GOAT in basketball?

Personally, I think Scottie has Lebron lite potential.

That is not "the" GOAT, but it's a GOAT.

Once again, I'm saying potential/high end.

I have Scootie #2 right now on my big board. Fwiw

Either I need to go to bed, or need to really dig into some Scotty game/film sessions.

Imagine Scottie with the ball at the top of the arca, 4 shooters around him. If he can be a 36% catch and shoot guy you have to cover him. He's got the handles, and athletisism to blow by or power through almost anybody. At the ring he's a monster and if help comes he's a terrific playmaker.

I think it's likley he ends up as a 3rdbannan for a elite team, but I could see him being an MVP if he puts in the work.

His size/athletisism/ball handling/passing combination is incredibly rare. Luka is the most recent guy his size and with his level of PG skill or better that I can think of. And Luka is a little Dat but Barnes is clearly in great shape.

He also has the personailty you should trust to put in the work. Imo.

[MAGICian619]

Barnes is a much more exciting prospect if he is going to be utilized like a Cade Cunningham, a mix between primary and secondary ball handler and playmaker. If he is going to be utilized like a 3+D wing, then no thanks.

I think the difference between those two paths will determine if he should be a top 2-3 pick vs 8-10 range pick.

[clyde21]

His ceiling is Giannis with Simmons playmaking

ok dont listen to this guy either ^

Care to explain?

He has the size and playmaking as well as the intensity of Giannis. It’s a pretty reasonable CEILING but he’s likely not gonna reach it, as I said. Not many players actually reach their ceiling

i mean, that's just a ridiculous take...ur saying he's the guy who just won 2 MVPs, who's about to win the finals and finals MVP, who could very well end up being a top20 player of all time...and saying he's THAT but with even better playmaking...

[Bruin]

ok dont listen to this guy either ^

Care to explain?

He has the size and playmaking as well as the intensity of Giannis. It’s a pretty reasonable CEILING but he’s likely not gonna reach it, as I said. Not many players actually reach their ceiling

i mean, that's just a ridiculous take...ur saying he's the guy who just won 2 MVPs, who's about to win the finals and finals MVP, who could very well end up being a top20 player of all time...and saying he's THAT but with even better playmaking...

Not how comps necessarily work. Stylistically it’s a decent comp. obviously becoming a 2x mvp is a stretch but in terms of how he plays that’s his comp

Laugh all you want but I don’t see any better comps

[clyde21]

Care to explain?

He has the size and playmaking as well as the intensity of Giannis. It’s a pretty reasonable CEILING but he’s likely not gonna reach it, as I said. Not many players actually reach their ceiling

i mean, that's just a ridiculous take...ur saying he's the guy who just won 2 MVPs, who's about to win the finals and finals MVP, who could very well end up being a top20 player of all time...and saying he's THAT but with even better playmaking...

Not how comps necessarily work. Stylistically it’s a decent comp. obviously becoming a 2x mvp is a stretch but in terms of how he plays that’s his comp

Laugh all you want but I don’t see any better comps

i know that's not how comps work, that's why your comp sucks, whether it's just stylistically or not (even tho you said ceiling, nothing about style).

and Barnes plays nothing like Giannis stylistically either, Giannis has way more wiry athleticism and a downhill style than Barnes.

[Bruin]

i mean, that's just a ridiculous take...ur saying he's the guy who just won 2 MVPs, who's about to win the finals and finals MVP, who could very well end up being a top20 player of all time...and saying he's THAT but with even better playmaking...

Not how comps necessarily work. Stylistically it’s a decent comp. obviously becoming a 2x mvp is a stretch but in terms of how he plays that’s his comp

Laugh all you want but I don’t see any better comps

i know that's not how comps work, that's why your comp sucks, whether it's just stylistically or not (even tho you said ceiling, nothing about style).

and Barnes plays nothing like Giannis stylistically either, Giannis has way more wiry athleticism and a downhill style than Barnes.

You haven’t seen Barnes play then. Watch more tape (I’ve watched several FSU games throughout the year)

Also you think Giannis was like this the moment he entered the league?

I said ceiling because that’s his best case scenario and I acknowledged that it’s unlikely he gets there

The way he attacks the rim certainly looks like Giannis

[clyde21]

Not how comps necessarily work. Stylistically it’s a decent comp. obviously becoming a 2x mvp is a stretch but in terms of how he plays that’s his comp

Laugh all you want but I don’t see any better comps

i know that's not how comps work, that's why your comp sucks, whether it's just stylistically or not (even tho you said ceiling, nothing about style).

and Barnes plays nothing like Giannis stylistically either, Giannis has way more wiry athleticism and a downhill style than Barnes.

You haven’t seen Barnes play then. Watch more tape (I’ve watched several FSU games throughout the year)

Also you think Giannis was like this the moment he entered the league?

I said ceiling because that’s his best case scenario and I acknowledged that it’s unlikely he gets there

The way he attacks the rim certainly looks like Giannis

saying a player's ceiling is top20 player of all time is ridiculous, it has no functional use in any of these discussions, and your comp to Giannis is wrong on every level, they don't play the same in any capacity...yes, I've obviously watched Barnes, and you're wrong, everyone here knows your comp is wrong.

stop doubling down and admit it or move on to another topic, because your original post was ridiculous and you doubling down on it is even more ridiculous.

Giannis with better playmaking...

[Bruin]

i know that's not how comps work, that's why your comp sucks, whether it's just stylistically or not (even tho you said ceiling, nothing about style).

and Barnes plays nothing like Giannis stylistically either, Giannis has way more wiry athleticism and a downhill style than Barnes.

You haven’t seen Barnes play then. Watch more tape (I’ve watched several FSU games throughout the year)

Also you think Giannis was like this the moment he entered the league?

I said ceiling because that’s his best case scenario and I acknowledged that it’s unlikely he gets there

The way he attacks the rim certainly looks like Giannis

saying a player's ceiling is top20 player of all time is ridiculous, it has no functional use in any of these discussions, and your comp to Giannis is wrong on every level, they don't play the same in any capacity...yes, I've obviously watched Barnes, and you're wrong, everyone here knows your comp is wrong.

stop doubling down and admit it or move on to another topic, because your original post was ridiculous and you doubling down on it is even more ridiculous.

Giannis with better playmaking...

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. The fact that you think your opinion is the law is as pathetic as can be

I see what I see and if you don’t see the same things that totally fine

Go be a child elsewhere

[clyde21]

You haven’t seen Barnes play then. Watch more tape (I’ve watched several FSU games throughout the year)

Also you think Giannis was like this the moment he entered the league?

I said ceiling because that’s his best case scenario and I acknowledged that it’s unlikely he gets there

The way he attacks the rim certainly looks like Giannis

saying a player's ceiling is top20 player of all time is ridiculous, it has no functional use in any of these discussions, and your comp to Giannis is wrong on every level, they don't play the same in any capacity...yes, I've obviously watched Barnes, and you're wrong, everyone here knows your comp is wrong.

stop doubling down and admit it or move on to another topic, because your original post was ridiculous and you doubling down on it is even more ridiculous.

Giannis with better playmaking...

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. The fact that you think your opinion is the law is as pathetic as can be

I see what I see and if you don’t see the same things that totally fine

Go be a child elsewhere

people have already thrown out the comps that make the most sense for Barnes, and that's Kyle Anderson as a low-end outcome and Draymond as a high-end outcome.

but you went completely overboard with a comp that has no real use in any type of discussion...not even stylistically my man.

[bon]

Barnes being compared to Giannis stylistically isn't crazy. You can see it with the downhill play style mixed with the freakishly long strides getting to the hoop. No I don't see Barnes being 28+ PPG scorer or a 2x MVP but I can definitely see him peaking at a pre-allstar level GA (when Kidd had him playing PG). Something like 18/8/7 with defense to boot.

[clyde21]

Barnes being compared to Giannis stylistically isn't crazy. You can see it with the downhill play style mixed with the freakishly long strides getting to the hoop. No I don't see Barnes being 28+ PPG scorer or a 2x MVP but I can definitely see him peaking at a pre-allstar level GA (when Kidd had him playing PG). Something like 18/8/7 with defense to boot.

Barnes doesn't have anymore downhill style than any other F, in fact the opposite, he likes to set up and orchestrate offense instead of continuously attacking the basket, he also doesn't have the wiry athleticism of Giannis at all

yes, it's crazy, he's not that type of player at all.

[bon]

Barnes being compared to Giannis stylistically isn't crazy. You can see it with the downhill play style mixed with the freakishly long strides getting to the hoop. No I don't see Barnes being 28+ PPG scorer or a 2x MVP but I can definitely see him peaking at a pre-allstar level GA (when Kidd had him playing PG). Something like 18/8/7 with defense to boot.

Barnes doesn't have anymore downhill style than any other F, in fact the opposite, he likes to set up and orchestrate offense instead of continuously attacking the basket, he also doesn't have the wiry athleticism of Giannis at all

yes, it's crazy, he's not that type of player at all.

Setting up and orchestrating offense doesn't contradict him liking to get downhill with the ball in order to score in the paint. I just pointed you to a time where Giannis wasn't a huge scorer and wasn't attacking the rim every possession, instead opting to be more of a playmaker. Was he not a downhill style player then? Barnes doesn't play in the post and didn't roll/cut to the rim at a high rate. How do you think he was getting his points at the hoop when he had the ball?

The wiriness is a difference, sure. It's not a perfect comparison because their bodies aren't built the same but that doesn't really change the argument for style of play.

What other forward then would you say with a similar level of athleticism slashes in the same fashion as Barnes?