Jaden Ivey

[SelfishPlayer]

People shouldn't be afraid to project that he could become a better version of Russell Westbrook. Even a poor man's version of a future Hall of fame player is worth good value as a trade asset.

That's the closest comp I saw. Although Wall is also a good one. I do think Wall had better PG skills and was just as fast if not faster but I think Hardey will be able to explode at the rim similar to Westbrook.

Right now his PG skills are essentially penetrate and kick without the nuance of traditional passer but hey he's still so young. Got plenty of time to address weak esses

The recency bias against a former MVP is over the top. Ivey is everyone but Westbrook.

[Hal14]

Physically and athletically, he's like John Wall. Great end-to-end speed. He's not quite as creative and crafty as Ja. He should develop into a top-tier PG.

I dont think hes gonna develop into a full time top tier PG. Maybe some sort of top tier combo guard.

Yeah i don't see him as a PG.

I see Ivey as more of a 2-guard, in the Terry Rozier/Donovan Mitchell/Anthony Edwards/Jalen Green type of mold.

[Nazrmohamed]

People shouldn't be afraid to project that he could become a better version of Russell Westbrook. Even a poor man's version of a future Hall of fame player is worth good value as a trade asset.

That's the closest comp I saw. Although Wall is also a good one. I do think Wall had better PG skills and was just as fast if not faster but I think Hardey will be able to explode at the rim similar to Westbrook.

Right now his PG skills are essentially penetrate and kick without the nuance of traditional passer but hey he's still so young. Got plenty of time to address weak esses

The recency bias against a former MVP is over the top. Ivey is everyone but Westbrook.

Which MVP are we talking about? I got nothing against Westbrook. He's one of my favorite players. Things haven't looked good for him lately but I maintain they are very similar in playstyle. Very downhill and powerful. Based on thier driving ability defenses will collapse, guys on the perimeter will be open and he will kick it out to the open man. Westbrook in a nutshell. Have them perform pocket passes or stay behind the 3pt line and hit the cutter or perfectly time a pass to someone running through a route and it gets more dicey.

[rpa]

I just don't like Ivey. No defensive impact and his jumper ranges from awful to subpar.

These scorers that are ultra athletic but unskilled just aren't as covetable in the modern game as they once were.

Bumping this from a month ago, but the above captures my thoughts on Ivey and I'm a bit terrified the Kings take him at #4. When I watch him I don't see Ja, Wall, Westbrook, or Mitchell--I see a taller, poor man's version of Collin Sexton.

[8305]

I just don't like Ivey. No defensive impact and his jumper ranges from awful to subpar.

These scorers that are ultra athletic but unskilled just aren't as covetable in the modern game as they once were.

Bumping this from a month ago, but the above captures my thoughts on Ivey and I'm a bit terrified the Kings take him at #4. When I watch him I don't see Ja, Wall, Westbrook, or Mitchell--I see a taller, poor man's version of Collin Sexton.

I see pre injury Victor Oladipo. Not the same level defender but, a better shooter. That said, I think he’s a bad fit with Fox.

[Big J]

If this kid's handed the keys to a franchise he's going to put up a lot of points. I have no doubt about that.

[Frichuela]

I just don't like Ivey. No defensive impact and his jumper ranges from awful to subpar.

These scorers that are ultra athletic but unskilled just aren't as covetable in the modern game as they once were.

Bumping this from a month ago, but the above captures my thoughts on Ivey and I'm a bit terrified the Kings take him at #4. When I watch him I don't see Ja, Wall, Westbrook, or Mitchell--I see a taller, poor man's version of Collin Sexton.

What would it take for SAC to agree on a trade down with the Wizards?

How about:

A) Deni Avdija+10+ 2 rounder for Ivey
B) Kuzma+Rui+10 for Ivey + fodder

[Dadouv47]

I just don't like Ivey. No defensive impact and his jumper ranges from awful to subpar.

These scorers that are ultra athletic but unskilled just aren't as covetable in the modern game as they once were.

Bumping this from a month ago, but the above captures my thoughts on Ivey and I'm a bit terrified the Kings take him at #4. When I watch him I don't see Ja, Wall, Westbrook, or Mitchell--I see a taller, poor man's version of Collin Sexton.

What would it take for SAC to agree on a trade down with the Wizards?

How about:

A) Deni Avdija+10+ 2 rounder for Ivey
B) Kuzma+Rui+10 for Ivey + fodder

That's clearly not enough. Don't think the Wizards young players are good enough to find a deal without including future FRPs

[Frichuela]

Bumping this from a month ago, but the above captures my thoughts on Ivey and I'm a bit terrified the Kings take him at #4. When I watch him I don't see Ja, Wall, Westbrook, or Mitchell--I see a taller, poor man's version of Collin Sexton.

What would it take for SAC to agree on a trade down with the Wizards?

How about:

A) Deni Avdija+10+ 2 rounder for Ivey
B) Kuzma+Rui+10 for Ivey + fodder

That's clearly not enough. Don't think the Wizards young players are good enough to find a deal without including future FRPs

The most the Wizards could add is a future first. Remember their 2023 pick is heavily protected for a few years…would that do it?

[Dadouv47]

What would it take for SAC to agree on a trade down with the Wizards?

How about:

A) Deni Avdija+10+ 2 rounder for Ivey
B) Kuzma+Rui+10 for Ivey + fodder

That's clearly not enough. Don't think the Wizards young players are good enough to find a deal without including future FRPs

The most the Wizards could add is a future first. Remember their 2023 pick is heavily protected for a few years…would that do it?

I think several teams would make better offers than this (some winning piece + assets) and the talent gap between Ivey and a player available at 10 is way too big. Could happen if SAC loves a guy that fall to 10 I guess but it's pretty unlikely.

I don't see the upside for the Kings to get Avdija, Kuzma or Rui here...Ivey has star potential.

[Frichuela]

That's clearly not enough. Don't think the Wizards young players are good enough to find a deal without including future FRPs

The most the Wizards could add is a future first. Remember their 2023 pick is heavily protected for a few years…would that do it?

I think several teams would make better offers than this (some winning piece + assets) and the talent gap between Ivey and a player available at 10 is way too big. Could happen if SAC loves a guy that fall to 10 I guess but it's pretty unlikely.

I don't see the upside for the Kings to get Avdija, Kuzma or Rui here...Ivey has star potential.

Let me agree to disagree…I can not see who makes that “winning piece” offer…and I guess by “winning piece” you mean an all-star caliber player…

It all depends on SAC but if they do not want to punt on Ivey and rather have solid pieces for a playoff run, I believe a Kuzma+ Rui+10+future 1st offer is pretty competitive.

[Dadouv47]

The most the Wizards could add is a future first. Remember their 2023 pick is heavily protected for a few years…would that do it?

I think several teams would make better offers than this (some winning piece + assets) and the talent gap between Ivey and a player available at 10 is way too big. Could happen if SAC loves a guy that fall to 10 I guess but it's pretty unlikely.

I don't see the upside for the Kings to get Avdija, Kuzma or Rui here...Ivey has star potential.

Let me agree to disagree…I can not see who makes that “winning piece” offer…and I guess by “winning piece” you mean an all-star caliber player…

It all depends on SAC but if they do not want to punt on Ivey and rather have solid pieces for a playoff run, I believe a Kuzma+ Rui+10+future 1st offer is pretty competitive.

Not all star but a good starter + some asset(s).

I think we probably disagree on Kuzma/Rui value here.

[Big J]

Ivey could easily become the best player in the draft. Dude's got Morant potential.

[clyde21]

Ivey could easily become the best player in the draft. Dude's got Morant potential.

no he doesnt

Ja was a 10apg player in college, which was historic. Ivey is barely crackin 3apg. not nearly the playmaker or orchestrator of offense Morant was.

not sure why people keep making this comp.

[MemphisX]

Ivey could easily become the best player in the draft. Dude's got Morant potential.

no he doesnt

Ja was a 10apg player in college, which was historic. Ivey is barely crackin 3apg. not nearly the playmaker or orchestrator of offense Morant was.

not sure why people keep making this comp.

Agreed. Never made sense.

[Big J]

Ivey could easily become the best player in the draft. Dude's got Morant potential.

no he doesnt

Ja was a 10apg player in college, which was historic. Ivey is barely crackin 3apg. not nearly the playmaker or orchestrator of offense Morant was.

not sure why people keep making this comp.

Westbrook only averaged 4.3 apg as a Soph at UCLA, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Ivey is shooting up the boards because of his athletic profile. Any guy who can force help to come their way any time they feel like it can get 8 dimes per game in the NBA just by passing to the guy who's man rotated over to them.

[clyde21]

Ivey could easily become the best player in the draft. Dude's got Morant potential.

no he doesnt

Ja was a 10apg player in college, which was historic. Ivey is barely crackin 3apg. not nearly the playmaker or orchestrator of offense Morant was.

not sure why people keep making this comp.

Westbrook only averaged 4.3 apg as a Soph at UCLA, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Ivey is shooting up the boards because of his athletic profile. Any guy who can force help to come their way any time they feel like it can get 8 dimes per game in the NBA just by passing to the guy who's man rotated over to them.

im confused - are u comparing him to Ja or Westbrook?

and are you suggesting that Jaden Ivey is going to turn into a full-blown all-star PG in the league because Westbrook did it? based on what exactly? what discernable PG skills does Ivey have right now for you to make that assumption?

[Big J]

no he doesnt

Ja was a 10apg player in college, which was historic. Ivey is barely crackin 3apg. not nearly the playmaker or orchestrator of offense Morant was.

not sure why people keep making this comp.

Westbrook only averaged 4.3 apg as a Soph at UCLA, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Ivey is shooting up the boards because of his athletic profile. Any guy who can force help to come their way any time they feel like it can get 8 dimes per game in the NBA just by passing to the guy who's man rotated over to them.

im confused - are u comparing him to Ja or Westbrook?

and are you suggesting that Jaden Ivey is going to turn into a full-blown all-star PG in the league because Westbrook did it? based on what exactly? what discernable PG skills does Ivey have right now for you to make that assumption?

Yea, he can definitely be an all-star modern day PG, in the Ja/Westbrook/D Rose/Mitchell mode. He's got the physical tools to blow by his man and force help every time he has the ball in his hands, and he can contort his body around help defenders at the rim very similarly to Ja. Athletic profile is half the battle with projecting these guys. You are the one who brought up the college stat argument.

[SelfishPlayer]

Ivey could easily become the best player in the draft. Dude's got Morant potential.

no he doesnt

Ja was a 10apg player in college, which was historic. Ivey is barely crackin 3apg. not nearly the playmaker or orchestrator of offense Morant was.

not sure why people keep making this comp.

Westbrook only averaged 4.3 apg as a Soph at UCLA, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Ivey is shooting up the boards because of his athletic profile. Any guy who can force help to come their way any time they feel like it can get 8 dimes per game in the NBA just by passing to the guy who's man rotated over to them.

Yes, Ivey is clearly an NBA lead guard that will most likely enjoy a statistical explosion in comparison to college. The college game holds some players like Ivey back while spamming other players like Johnny Davis who actually may not work out in the NBA.

[clyde21]

literally 0 evidence at the collegiate level that Ivey can turn into a lead guard in the NBA other than both of yall imaginations.