Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara

[EvanZ]

No you got all the questions answered but you struggle understanding that your argument could be wrong so in an effort to try to be right about something you will move goal posts. It’s alright you will learn

What exactly do you think my argument is? The only argument I’ve made is that wingspan matters. You seem to either disagree or are actually of the belief that wingspan is a negative indicator. Every example you’ve given is of a player with short wingspan being better than a random player with longer wingspan.

Is this what you believe?

Do you actually not understand the conversation?

Wingspan isn't everything, players get overlooked because of wingspan and other plays move up because of wingspan that shouldn't.

It's not that complicated.

Please please please go find my quote where I said “wingspan is everything.” I’ll be waiting here.

What I said is wingspan matters. And it does. Denying that simple fact is only possible if you’re extremely red pilled. Which I guess some of you are.

[mattg]

I love guys who hedge.

You've settled it. T-rex arms the highest draft priority! In fact, I'm going to declare myself eligible for the draft right now. Maybe I can give Wemby some heat.

That's not what I was saying at all. More so that I would never take wingspan into account when evaluating someone's ability to shoot. However it's totally fair and very important to account for when it comes to defense or rebounding.

Length actually is an important factor for most shooters in the NBA. One of the reasons teams love “tall shooters” is that they have length to get their shot off. It’s also the reason most small college shooters simply don’t translate. They can’t get their shot off against NBA length. Of course they can’t defend either, but a lot of tall shooters can’t defend and they survive in the league anyway.

Almost all the shooters who can't get their shot off in the NBA because of lack of length also have major issues with a slow release or comically low release point so it becomes which is more important. Given that we see rather unathletic, T-rex armed, elite shooters in the league fairly regularly I'd lean far more in the direction that the issue is 99.9% of the time their release is fundamentally flawed and it isn't a length issue. Yes, length is a nice bonus as a shooter, but it's a bonus.

[EvanZ]

That's not what I was saying at all. More so that I would never take wingspan into account when evaluating someone's ability to shoot. However it's totally fair and very important to account for when it comes to defense or rebounding.

Length actually is an important factor for most shooters in the NBA. One of the reasons teams love “tall shooters” is that they have length to get their shot off. It’s also the reason most small college shooters simply don’t translate. They can’t get their shot off against NBA length. Of course they can’t defend either, but a lot of tall shooters can’t defend and they survive in the league anyway.

Almost all the shooters who can't get their shot off in the NBA because of lack of length also have major issues with a slow release or comically low release point so it becomes which is more important. Given that we see rather unathletic, T-rex armed, elite shooters in the league fairly regularly I'd lean far more in the direction that the issue is 99.9% of the time their release is fundamentally flawed and it isn't a length issue. Yes, length is a nice bonus as a shooter, but it's a bonus.

Do you understand selection bias? The guys who are unathletic and have short arms (say Buddy Hield) literally can only exist in the NBA if they are incredibly elite shooters. And they are a tiny fraction of the league. The rest of the league doesn't need to be incredibly elite shooters if they have the physical tools to defend, finish, etc. That's how that works.

[EMG518]

What exactly do you think my argument is? The only argument I’ve made is that wingspan matters. You seem to either disagree or are actually of the belief that wingspan is a negative indicator. Every example you’ve given is of a player with short wingspan being better than a random player with longer wingspan.

Is this what you believe?

Do you actually not understand the conversation?

Wingspan isn't everything, players get overlooked because of wingspan and other plays move up because of wingspan that shouldn't.

It's not that complicated.

Please please please go find my quote where I said “wingspan is everything.” I’ll be waiting here.

What I said is wingspan matters. And it does. Denying that simple fact is only possible if you’re extremely red pilled. Which I guess some of you are.

Find a quote where it was denied that wingspan is preferential, I will wait lol.

Stop playing games.

The guy literally said wingspan is not everything, gave examples of players that got overlooked like Bane because of physical profile and others that went to high.

The only thing the guy is saying is basketball is a game of skill and iq and he isn't going to discount a player because of solely a wingspan that isn't even out of the normal range.

He already said of course if all else is equal and they are longer that would help. That isn't what we are looking at though, we are looking at a this particular player.

You are focusing too much on his wingspan, that's his point.

[EvanZ]

Do you actually not understand the conversation?

Wingspan isn't everything, players get overlooked because of wingspan and other plays move up because of wingspan that shouldn't.

It's not that complicated.

Please please please go find my quote where I said “wingspan is everything.” I’ll be waiting here.

What I said is wingspan matters. And it does. Denying that simple fact is only possible if you’re extremely red pilled. Which I guess some of you are.

Find a quote where it was denied that wingspan is preferential, I will wait lol.

Stop playing games.

The guy literally said wingspan is not everything, gave examples of players that got overlooked like Bane because of physical profile and others that went to high.

The only thing the guy is saying is basketball is a game of skill and iq and he isn't going to discount a player because of solely a wingspan that isn't even out of the normal range.

He already said of course if all else is equal and they are longer that would help. That isn't what we are looking at though, we are looking at a this particular player.

You are focusing too much on his wingspan, that's his point.

My guy, that's literally what this conversation has been about. You apparently have missed it.

[EvanZ]

The whole argument from the jump was a red herring spit out by a guy who was offended I said Podz has T-Rex arms.

Because he does. Now, if that doesn't matter why are people so offended by it?

[mattg]

Length actually is an important factor for most shooters in the NBA. One of the reasons teams love “tall shooters” is that they have length to get their shot off. It’s also the reason most small college shooters simply don’t translate. They can’t get their shot off against NBA length. Of course they can’t defend either, but a lot of tall shooters can’t defend and they survive in the league anyway.

Almost all the shooters who can't get their shot off in the NBA because of lack of length also have major issues with a slow release or comically low release point so it becomes which is more important. Given that we see rather unathletic, T-rex armed, elite shooters in the league fairly regularly I'd lean far more in the direction that the issue is 99.9% of the time their release is fundamentally flawed and it isn't a length issue. Yes, length is a nice bonus as a shooter, but it's a bonus.

Do you understand selection bias? The guys who are unathletic and have short arms (say Buddy Hield) literally can only exist in the NBA if they are incredibly elite shooters. And they are a tiny fraction of the league. The rest of the league doesn't need to be incredibly elite shooters if they have the physical tools to defend, finish, etc. That's how that works.

What are you even arguing at this point?

[EMG518]

Please please please go find my quote where I said “wingspan is everything.” I’ll be waiting here.

What I said is wingspan matters. And it does. Denying that simple fact is only possible if you’re extremely red pilled. Which I guess some of you are.

Find a quote where it was denied that wingspan is preferential, I will wait lol.

Stop playing games.

The guy literally said wingspan is not everything, gave examples of players that got overlooked like Bane because of physical profile and others that went to high.

The only thing the guy is saying is basketball is a game of skill and iq and he isn't going to discount a player because of solely a wingspan that isn't even out of the normal range.

He already said of course if all else is equal and they are longer that would help. That isn't what we are looking at though, we are looking at a this particular player.

You are focusing too much on his wingspan, that's his point.

My guy, that's literally what this conversation has been about. You apparently have missed it.

I read it, he said of course in a perfect would if he was longer and all else equal that's preferential.

He is not denying that.

[EvanZ]

Trex arms lol

6'5.5" is trex arms now lol.

I am sure he would be much better with a 6'6.5" wingpan.

Oh lol, it was you who argued with this in the first place.

[EvanZ]

Almost all the shooters who can't get their shot off in the NBA because of lack of length also have major issues with a slow release or comically low release point so it becomes which is more important. Given that we see rather unathletic, T-rex armed, elite shooters in the league fairly regularly I'd lean far more in the direction that the issue is 99.9% of the time their release is fundamentally flawed and it isn't a length issue. Yes, length is a nice bonus as a shooter, but it's a bonus.

Do you understand selection bias? The guys who are unathletic and have short arms (say Buddy Hield) literally can only exist in the NBA if they are incredibly elite shooters. And they are a tiny fraction of the league. The rest of the league doesn't need to be incredibly elite shooters if they have the physical tools to defend, finish, etc. That's how that works.

What are you even arguing at this point?

My guy, you were the one who jumped in to argue with me about the fact that wingspan matters. I have not changed my argument once.

[HEZI]

Someone’s back pedaling



Went from “it’s a game of inches” to “I never said that”

[EvanZ]

Someone’s back pedaling



Went from “it’s a game of inches” to “I never said that”

HUHHH?

When did I say "I never said that"? I definitely said that and it's exactly what I believe and is the truth. Basketball is a game of inches. Wingspan and length matters.

It's you that keeps trying to deny that.

[EvanZ]

I'm just curious to the people who don't think wingspan matters if Podz had a 6'10.5" wingspan, are you saying it wouldn't affect where you rank him?

I'm genuinely curious to hear honest answers here.

I can't wait til next year when DeAndre Williams declares for the draft and we have a debate on whether "age matters".

[HEZI]

Someone’s back pedaling



Went from “it’s a game of inches” to “I never said that”

HUHHH?

When did I say "I never said that"? I definitely said that and it's exactly what I believe and is the truth. Basketball is a game of inches. Wingspan and length matters.

It's you that keeps trying to deny that.

You purposely took my quote out of context to fit a narrative. When I specifically said wingspan matters more for shot contesting and rebounds and if that’s what you want from your guard then it would matter but in this case where we are talking about a guard who’s strengths are on the offensive end it doesn’t matter. He’s not known for defense and players not expected to make impact on defense aren’t to be judged based on wingspan you ignored that whole entire argument to still somehow try to be right with what you initially said.

And yet you are still wrong it’s not a game of inches, as proven over and over again

[EvanZ]

One of the reasons “he’s not known for defense” likely has a lot to do with his lack of length. You do get that right?

And it is and always will be a game of inches. Clearly. Maybe you don’t actually watch games though.

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[HEZI]

I'm just curious to the people who don't think wingspan matters if Podz had a 6'10.5" wingspan, are you saying it wouldn't affect where you rank him?

I'm genuinely curious to hear honest answers here.

I can't wait til next year when DeAndre Williams declares for the draft and we have a debate on whether "age matters".

It’s so easy to play your game

Why isn’t Zach Edey projected as a lotto pick Mr. Game of inches?

[EvanZ]

Like…you don’t get a pass on defense because you have t-Rex arms. That simply becomes part of your profile and you have to do a lot more on offense to overcome it. That’s the issue.


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[EvanZ]

I'm just curious to the people who don't think wingspan matters if Podz had a 6'10.5" wingspan, are you saying it wouldn't affect where you rank him?

I'm genuinely curious to hear honest answers here.

I can't wait til next year when DeAndre Williams declares for the draft and we have a debate on whether "age matters".

It’s so easy to play your game

Why isn’t Zach Edey projected as a lotto pick Mr. Game of inches?

Because he’s slow AF and players can run past him by several feet, let alone inches.

I’m sorry this is so hard for you to understand.


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[HEZI]

I'm just curious to the people who don't think wingspan matters if Podz had a 6'10.5" wingspan, are you saying it wouldn't affect where you rank him?

I'm genuinely curious to hear honest answers here.

I can't wait til next year when DeAndre Williams declares for the draft and we have a debate on whether "age matters".

It’s so easy to play your game

Why isn’t Zach Edey projected as a lotto pick Mr. Game of inches?

Because he’s slow AF and players can run past him by several feet, let alone inches.

I’m sorry this is so hard for you to understand.


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So you just admitted that wingspan and length doesn’t matter much and contradicted your whole argument. Congratulations you defeated yourself

[EvanZ]

It’s so easy to play your game

Why isn’t Zach Edey projected as a lotto pick Mr. Game of inches?

Because he’s slow AF and players can run past him by several feet, let alone inches.

I’m sorry this is so hard for you to understand.


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So you just admitted that wingspan and length doesn’t matter much and contradicted your whole argument. Congratulations you defeated yourself

Lol I didn’t admit anything. Your logic needs some remedial education. Everything matters. Length matters. Speed matters. Athleticism matters. Strength matters.

Why is this so hard for you?


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