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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#101 » by Hal14 » Mon Apr 3, 2023 6:19 pm

EvanZ wrote:If you're having trouble doing your own scouting reports, I recommend watching games focusing on a single player and literally try to go frame by frame almost whenever the player is involved in something significant on ball or off ball. It forces you to pay attention to little details like how players navigate screens (on both ends), how they prepare for shots, what passes they *don't* make, etc. Just watching a game without really focusing on a single prospect, you miss a lot of this stuff.

It's also funny because I've watched some of these YouTube channels and even though we're clearly watching the same player, sometimes our opinions are just wildly different. I actually go out of my way to *avoid* being influenced by mainstream coverage though.

Yeah well some of us are just doing this for fun, aren't taking it too seriously. And don't have time to watch tons of full games so it's easier to just watch a 12 minute in depth scouting report where someone else did the work for us to watch hours and hours and hours of game film and look through the film to pull out the important parts, the strengths, weaknesses, the nuances of their game, etc.

And the Box and One is definitely not mainstream.
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#102 » by EvanZ » Mon Apr 3, 2023 7:24 pm

Hal, you are on here a hell of a lot...maybe more than I am. Don't tell me you don't have the time! lol
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#103 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Apr 9, 2023 7:53 am

EvanZ wrote:Hal, you are on here a hell of a lot...maybe more than I am. Don't tell me you don't have the time! lol


yeah, don't play a draft guru/expert on TV and post non-stop and pretend your takes are enlightened and better than everyone's if you can't be bothered to watch actual games instead of cherry-picked highlights. You'll learn almost nothing from those.
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#104 » by Hal14 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 2:31 pm

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EvanZ wrote:Hal, you are on here a hell of a lot...maybe more than I am. Don't tell me you don't have the time! lol


yeah, don't play a draft guru/expert on TV and post non-stop and pretend your takes are enlightened and better than everyone's if you can't be bothered to watch actual games instead of cherry-picked highlights. You'll learn almost nothing from those.

lol I do watch games.

Now, back on topic...
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#105 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:57 pm

I was hoping Hendricks could end up being a small ball stretch 5 when drafted, but I think he's more headed to being an 9th man who hangs around in the league but never does anything relevant.

It just doesn't seem like he's passionate about basketball at all and he's not naturally gifted enough to get over the lack of love for the game.

Jaden McDaniels sucks on offense and averaged 28 PPG in the summer league in his second year. Hendricks is averaging just over 11 PPG while playing bad defense.

There's still time for him to start liking basketball, but the odds of him being good keep going down with every day.
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#106 » by clyde21 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:30 pm

if Hendricks doesn't turn out to be good you take it on the chin and say w/e, it shouldn't change anything about the scouting side.

In theory he had everything, a near-perfect physical profile for a modern 4, solid production as a freshmen, shot well across the board, can two-way multiple positions, no real red flags or non-starters bball wise.

#9 is around where he should've gone regardless,
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#107 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:33 pm

clyde21 wrote:if Hendricks doesn't turn out to be good you take it on the chin and say w/e, it shouldn't change anything about the scouting side.

In theory he had everything, a near-perfect physical profile for a modern 4, solid production as a freshmen, shot well across the board, can two-way multiple positions, no real red flags or non-starters bball wise.

#9 is around where he should've gone regardless


Yeah, there were a billion outs to him ending up at least good, but I just don't think he likes basketball.

He apparently works pretty hard off the court, but he can never get motivated to do anything in actual games. Kind of just listlessly doing a job he doesn't care about.

The only hopes for him right now are just

1. He's extremely young and can grow to love the game
2. The Jazz's culture is poisonous and he'll do better elsewhere
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#108 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Jul 20, 2024 3:47 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
clyde21 wrote:if Hendricks doesn't turn out to be good you take it on the chin and say w/e, it shouldn't change anything about the scouting side.

In theory he had everything, a near-perfect physical profile for a modern 4, solid production as a freshmen, shot well across the board, can two-way multiple positions, no real red flags or non-starters bball wise.

#9 is around where he should've gone regardless


Yeah, there were a billion outs to him ending up at least good, but I just don't think he likes basketball.

He apparently works pretty hard off the court, but he can never get motivated to do anything in actual games. Kind of just listlessly doing a job he doesn't care about.

The only hopes for him right now are just

1. He's extremely young and can grow to love the game
2. The Jazz's culture is poisonous and he'll do better elsewhere


Look at what's going on with Walker Kessler. Is it possible that being drafted and only considered an asset has a negative effect on the players? What is Utah's short and long term plan? I don't dislike Ainge, but what worked in Boston I don't believe will work in Utah simply because the West is much harder of the two conferences to move tiers. Plus, historically, the only real way for Utah to be competitive is through the draft (and strategic trades around the margins).
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#109 » by Big J » Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:03 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
clyde21 wrote:if Hendricks doesn't turn out to be good you take it on the chin and say w/e, it shouldn't change anything about the scouting side.

In theory he had everything, a near-perfect physical profile for a modern 4, solid production as a freshmen, shot well across the board, can two-way multiple positions, no real red flags or non-starters bball wise.

#9 is around where he should've gone regardless


Yeah, there were a billion outs to him ending up at least good, but I just don't think he likes basketball.

He apparently works pretty hard off the court, but he can never get motivated to do anything in actual games. Kind of just listlessly doing a job he doesn't care about.

The only hopes for him right now are just

1. He's extremely young and can grow to love the game
2. The Jazz's culture is poisonous and he'll do better elsewhere


Look at what's going on with Walker Kessler. Is it possible that being drafted and only considered an asset has a negative effect on the players? What is Utah's short and long term plan? I don't dislike Ainge, but what worked in Boston I don't believe will work in Utah simply because the West is much harder of the two conferences to move tiers. Plus, historically, the only real way for Utah to be competitive is through the draft (and strategic trades around the margins).


I think you're right about this. Kinda reminds me of those process Sixers teams. Guys kinda stop giving a damn when they are treated like a piece of meat.
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#110 » by clyde21 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:53 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
clyde21 wrote:if Hendricks doesn't turn out to be good you take it on the chin and say w/e, it shouldn't change anything about the scouting side.

In theory he had everything, a near-perfect physical profile for a modern 4, solid production as a freshmen, shot well across the board, can two-way multiple positions, no real red flags or non-starters bball wise.

#9 is around where he should've gone regardless


Yeah, there were a billion outs to him ending up at least good, but I just don't think he likes basketball.

He apparently works pretty hard off the court, but he can never get motivated to do anything in actual games. Kind of just listlessly doing a job he doesn't care about.

The only hopes for him right now are just

1. He's extremely young and can grow to love the game
2. The Jazz's culture is poisonous and he'll do better elsewhere


Look at what's going on with Walker Kessler. Is it possible that being drafted and only considered an asset has a negative effect on the players? What is Utah's short and long term plan? I don't dislike Ainge, but what worked in Boston I don't believe will work in Utah simply because the West is much harder of the two conferences to move tiers. Plus, historically, the only real way for Utah to be competitive is through the draft (and strategic trades around the margins).


i dunno, they've got good coaching and Keyonte George looks good
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#111 » by Big J » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:20 am

clyde21 wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Yeah, there were a billion outs to him ending up at least good, but I just don't think he likes basketball.

He apparently works pretty hard off the court, but he can never get motivated to do anything in actual games. Kind of just listlessly doing a job he doesn't care about.

The only hopes for him right now are just

1. He's extremely young and can grow to love the game
2. The Jazz's culture is poisonous and he'll do better elsewhere


Look at what's going on with Walker Kessler. Is it possible that being drafted and only considered an asset has a negative effect on the players? What is Utah's short and long term plan? I don't dislike Ainge, but what worked in Boston I don't believe will work in Utah simply because the West is much harder of the two conferences to move tiers. Plus, historically, the only real way for Utah to be competitive is through the draft (and strategic trades around the margins).


i dunno, they've got good coaching and Keyonte George looks good


George looked kinda mid during summer league.
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Re: Taylor Hendricks 

Post#112 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:17 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
clyde21 wrote:if Hendricks doesn't turn out to be good you take it on the chin and say w/e, it shouldn't change anything about the scouting side.

In theory he had everything, a near-perfect physical profile for a modern 4, solid production as a freshmen, shot well across the board, can two-way multiple positions, no real red flags or non-starters bball wise.

#9 is around where he should've gone regardless


Yeah, there were a billion outs to him ending up at least good, but I just don't think he likes basketball.

He apparently works pretty hard off the court, but he can never get motivated to do anything in actual games. Kind of just listlessly doing a job he doesn't care about.

The only hopes for him right now are just

1. He's extremely young and can grow to love the game
2. The Jazz's culture is poisonous and he'll do better elsewhere


Look at what's going on with Walker Kessler. Is it possible that being drafted and only considered an asset has a negative effect on the players? What is Utah's short and long term plan? I don't dislike Ainge, but what worked in Boston I don't believe will work in Utah simply because the West is much harder of the two conferences to move tiers. Plus, historically, the only real way for Utah to be competitive is through the draft (and strategic trades around the margins).


Yeah, I'm very worried this is having a major negative effect on the young players on the team. All the Jazz talk about is putting things in neutral until they can trade for a star and they're shopping every player on the team at all times. They also have intentionally lost a bunch of games over the last two years and keep talking about doing a super blatant tank this year.

Danny Ainge's end of season press conference was basically "our team sucks, we need to trade for a bunch of stars and that's what I'm trying to do this offseason."

And then, he traded for 0 stars while not giving much optimism to the guys on the team.

The Suns also leaked that the Jazz tried to trade Walker Kessler for the Suns 2031 pick and the Suns said no so I'm not sure how that will make Kessler feel after he was benched in a scheme to flip John Collins for draft picks that failed...

Just a really really bad culture.

Hendricks in particular also deal with the Jazz having a baffling press conference post draft where they said Hendricks was worse than every single prospect picked ahead of him which... Why even say that. They never really showed any commitment or interest in Hendricks from the start.

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