Derik Queen

[The-Power]

Queen has way too much raw talent and efficient box score stats to not be drafted in the lotto.

Agreed.

I completely get why people are concerned about aspects of his game and question how much he will impact winning. I do, too. Mostly due to concerns about his motor and conditioning. But the guy is just a really talented offensive player who has at least the tools to not be a negative defender when and if he actually starts to care about get in shape and not take plays off on defense. He may never reach anywhere near his full potential but he just has too much talent to not be picked early in the draft.

[JMAC3]

I just think trying to label him as a losing player is a dumb convo. He has good touch, good footwork, good passer, already showing a shooting touch as a college freshman big. Yet we have people in here who want to label him as a losing player because he isn't already a 2 way star like Flagg?

I go back to the team dynamic, if Queen played on Duke and Maluach played on Maryland how does the way we view them shift? Is Maluach even a top 20 pick in that scenario? Is Queen a lock for the top 5?

[NotMyKawhi]

Queen should be told 6

[Bernman]

I go back to the team dynamic, if Queen played on Duke and Maluach played on Maryland how does the way we view them shift? Is Maluach even a top 20 pick in that scenario? Is Queen a lock for the top 5?

No, Maluach would have game-changing size, sufficient hands, bball i.q., good mobility, strength, touch, etc.; anywhere he went. He went to Duke in part because he was rated beforehand. Actually was rated higher than Queen. Maluach was the #1 center in his class.

Conversely, Queen would in all likelihood have his stock dropped going to Duke, because he can't fit in a role. They wouldn't run the ball thru him when they have Flagg, Knueppel, Proctor, etc. Can't shoot off ball. Is a major liability both in halfcourt and transition d.

It's very easy to see how Maluach fits in the modern NBA or maybe any time because he doesn't need the ball in his hands regularly to be effective. I don't see a team in the NBA that's bad enough where they could become better running the ball thru Queen, so he may be a man w/out a niche.

[JMAC3]

I go back to the team dynamic, if Queen played on Duke and Maluach played on Maryland how does the way we view them shift? Is Maluach even a top 20 pick in that scenario? Is Queen a lock for the top 5?

No, Maluach would have game-changing size, sufficient hands, bball i.q., good mobility, strength, touch, etc.; anywhere he went. He went to Duke in part because he was rated beforehand. Actually was rated higher than Queen. Maluach was the #1 center in his class.

Conversely, Queen would in all likelihood have his stock dropped going to Duke, because he can't fit in a role. They wouldn't run the ball thru him when they have Flagg, Knueppel, Proctor, etc. Can't shoot off ball. Is a major liability both in halfcourt and transition d.

It's very easy to see how Maluach fits in the modern NBA or maybe any time because he doesn't need the ball in his hands regularly to be effective. I don't see a team in the NBA that's bad enough where they could become better running the ball thru Queen, so he may be a man w/out a niche.

We will just have to disagree on this. Maluach is not a top 5 pick putting up 9pts and 7 rebounds on Maryland.
Whereas Queen has already shined on a team in high school playing with Flagg, Newell, McNeely and Robert Wright.

[The-Power]

They wouldn't run the ball thru him when they have Flagg, Knueppel, Proctor, etc.

Maryland didn't exactly run their offense through Queen either.

[Catchall]

The risk with Queen is that he's a tweener on the defensive end. That is, he's not long enough to be a deterrent at the rim, and he's not mobile enough to guard adequately out on the perimeter. Offensively, he's really interesting, and he might be good enough to overlook some defensive deficiency. However, you might recall Vernon Carey from Duke a few years back. His offensive dominance and overall stats were as good, or better, than Queen's, and Carey just didn't fit in the league.

[JMAC3]

The risk with Queen is that he's a tweener on the defensive end. That is, he's not long enough to be a deterrent at the rim, and he's not mobile enough to guard adequately out on the perimeter. Offensively, he's really interesting, and he might be good enough to overlook some defensive deficiency. However, you might recall Vernon Carey from Duke a few years back. His offensive dominance and overall stats were as good, or better, than Queen's, and Carey just didn't fit in the league.

I just would rather bet on offensive skill, most of the best offensive centers in the league aren't stars on defense. Doesn't make them bad players in Sengun, Sabonis, Jokic, KAT, Vuc... I get it isn't always the easiest to win a title with them but it shocks me the amount of people who are constantly lining up to draft the most basic build centers who create no offense and can only thrive with elite playmakers getting them the ball.

I would much rather take a swing in the top 10 on Queen that all the offensive skill turns into a top 10 center instead of a pre-made build Capela, Maluach, Mark Williams, Clingan, Lively, Wiseman, Hayes, Duren types where unless you have an elite playmaker they are going to average 10 ppg and grab 10 boards for their careers.

[XTC]

Queen is honestly a guy you can't overrthink. If he measures out decently at the combine he a top 5 guy for me IMO.

[JMAC3]

I go back to the team dynamic, if Queen played on Duke and Maluach played on Maryland how does the way we view them shift? Is Maluach even a top 20 pick in that scenario? Is Queen a lock for the top 5?

No, Maluach would have game-changing size, sufficient hands, bball i.q., good mobility, strength, touch, etc.; anywhere he went. He went to Duke in part because he was rated beforehand. Actually was rated higher than Queen. Maluach was the #1 center in his class.

Conversely, Queen would in all likelihood have his stock dropped going to Duke, because he can't fit in a role. They wouldn't run the ball thru him when they have Flagg, Knueppel, Proctor, etc. Can't shoot off ball. Is a major liability both in halfcourt and transition d.

It's very easy to see how Maluach fits in the modern NBA or maybe any time because he doesn't need the ball in his hands regularly to be effective. I don't see a team in the NBA that's bad enough where they could become better running the ball thru Queen, so he may be a man w/out a niche.

I just don't agree that Maluach scoring 8 pts and 6 boards is a lottery pick if puts those numbers up on most teams. Maybe he deserves it for his potential, but playing at Duke and being on TV with a million eyes on you because people want to see Cooper Flagg play. That meant Malauch can make 1 or 2 positive plays a game and people will remember him and like his potential and turn him into something he isn't in their minds.

It would take more than 1 or 2 good plays a game for him to be noticed if he were playing at Oregon or Florida State.

[ItsDanger]

4/5 players are a liability in starting lineups.

[King Ken]

Hard to pass on a big this talented on offense and he take you on from the outside and inside with tremendous skill, feel, and intangibles

[King Ken]

A big part of the intrigue for Queen is his ability to attack off the dribble and stress defenses. If you believe that it doesn't translate then I completely understand being low on him. If you do believe that it translates then you're talking about a rare archetype that provides constant rim pressure (in transition, off the dribble, from the post, out of pick-and-rolls). In this case he should probably be ranked very high, not least because he comes playmaking and rebounding chops as well as some switchability on defense as ancillary skills.

This is pretty much how I see him.

[King Ken]

The risk with Queen is that he's a tweener on the defensive end. That is, he's not long enough to be a deterrent at the rim, and he's not mobile enough to guard adequately out on the perimeter. Offensively, he's really interesting, and he might be good enough to overlook some defensive deficiency. However, you might recall Vernon Carey from Duke a few years back. His offensive dominance and overall stats were as good, or better, than Queen's, and Carey just didn't fit in the league.

When did Vernon Carey ever look like a potential NBA star? Everytime I watch Queen, he looks like he would be an all star in the NBA

[TheSuzerain]

They wouldn't run the ball thru him when they have Flagg, Knueppel, Proctor, etc.

Maryland didn't exactly run their offense through Queen either.

What kind of moron would run offense through Tyrese Proctor instead of Derik Queen anyway lol

[EvanZ]

Man, his athletic testing was woeful. Sorber was probably lucky to be injured and not have to risk this look.

[King Ken]

Man, his athletic testing was woeful. Sorber was probably lucky to be injured and not have to risk this look.

There is game athleticism and testing athleticism. Derik has game athleticism

[Chi town]

I just think trying to label him as a losing player is a dumb convo. He has good touch, good footwork, good passer, already showing a shooting touch as a college freshman big. Yet we have people in here who want to label him as a losing player because he isn't already a 2 way star like Flagg?

I go back to the team dynamic, if Queen played on Duke and Maluach played on Maryland how does the way we view them shift? Is Maluach even a top 20 pick in that scenario? Is Queen a lock for the top 5?

Fair point. I think Maluach would go higher tho. He would have been able to show some of his game. At Duke he was on a short leash… blocks, rebounds, and dunks. Dude never touched the rock.

[Chi town]

Man, his athletic testing was woeful. Sorber was probably lucky to be injured and not have to risk this look.

There is game athleticism and testing athleticism. Derik has game athleticism

Fully agree.

Still think Queen gets abused on D in the league and it will take him years to figure it out and realize he has to learn to play D or he won’t play or get paid.

[King Ken]

Man, his athletic testing was woeful. Sorber was probably lucky to be injured and not have to risk this look.

There is game athleticism and testing athleticism. Derik has game athleticism

Fully agree.

Still think Queen gets abused on D in the league and it will take him years to figure it out and realize he has to learn to play D or he won’t play or get paid.

Can't disagree with the defensive side. He was getting protected at Maryland. I like his perimeter defense better than Sengun. I think he's a 4 on D but he's not a good one.

Spurs is probably the best spot for him. Wizards as well.